Marginal Economist Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 There will never be a perfect bill the will satisfy everyone..If yoyu try to find a perfect bill then there will never be a reform. Thats why you have to start with something and then you can always amend it in certain areas. The bottom line is healthcare needs reforming and needs to be reformed now.. I think Ryan from Wisconsin proposed a better option. Short Summary Long Summary Gives Americans the same standard health benefits as Members of Congress, so all Americans have a wide range of choices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimling Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 There will never be a perfect bill the will satisfy everyone..If yoyu try to find a perfect bill then there will never be a reform. Thats why you have to start with something and then you can always amend it in certain areas. The bottom line is healthcare needs reforming and needs to be reformed now.. Die you are 100 percent correct, you cannot argue with Fox watchers, fact , reason, and compassion for your fellow man don't matter, its all about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Die you are 100 percent correct, you cannot argue with Fox watchers, fact , reason, and compassion for your fellow man don't matter, its all about them. Poll: Obama Health Care Marks Hit New Low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Not a done deal yet............... Poll: Obama Health Care Marks Hit New Low President Obama's approval rating on handling health care is at an all-time low, according to a new CBS News poll, something that is helping to drag down his overall approval rating. Just 36 percent of Americans approve of Mr. Obama's handling of health care, according to the poll, conducted from Jan. 6 – 10. Fifty-four percent disapprove. In December of last year, 42 percent of Americans approved of the president’s handling of health care, and 47 percent approved in October. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Once again repeating Hanniy. For once can you research for yourself and quit helping the teabaggers spread their talking points.. Let me ask you this, how many republiCANTS got payoffs from the healthcare giants?????Just like I thought You have no idea how congress works, someone is always getting paid off my friend this is not a democratic thing this is how the system work and always have worked. So next time you call in to Hannity ask him that question How many RepubliCANTS took payoffs. Lets see if hes honest enough to tell you the truth..Didnt mean to hurt your feelings Bubba but RepubliCANTS are crooks too. Who else took a BIG one??????????? Obama received $20 million from healthcare industry in 2008 campaign While some sunlight has been shed on the hefty sums shoveled into congressional campaign coffers in an effort to influence the Democrats' massive healthcare bill, little attention has been focused on the far larger sums received by President Barack Obama while he was a candidate in 2008. A new figure, based on an exclusive analysis created for Raw Story by the Center for Responsive Politics, shows that President Obama received a staggering $20,175,303 from the healthcare industry during the 2008 election cycle, nearly three times the amount of his presidential rival John McCain. McCain took in $7,758,289, the Center found. Currently, the Center's website shows that Obama received $19,462,986 from the health sector, which includes health professionals ($11.7m), health services/HMOs ($1.4m), hospitals/nursing homes ($3.3m) and pharmaceuticals/health products ($2.1m). Miscellaneous health donations (from which Obama received $860,411) are also factored into the current total health sector numbers but are not accessible on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Who else took a BIG one??????????? Obama received $20 million from healthcare industry in 2008 campaign Yes..... it is long past time for campaign financing reform. But while everyone is cashing in who will lead the way for the good of the country? And the answer is not the Tea baggers. Dick Armey, one of their foremost leaders, took a fortune from the auto industry when he was in office...to prevent safety legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yes..... it is long past time for campaign financing reform. But while everyone is cashing in who will lead the way for the good of the country? And the answer is not the Tea baggers. Dick Armey, one of their foremost leaders, took a fortune from the auto industry when he was in office...to prevent safety legislation. Do you think it's this current crop of Dems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Do you think it's this current crop of Dems? A few of them .... along with Ron Paul ....could and do try. However the established system is pretty well bought and paid for. The Campaign financing reform in other countries has come from established leaders toward the end of their tenure when political considerations were less important to them as they were not running again. Their legacy to their country became more important. Obama, in the last half of his second term, could be one such leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah, and I also believe in The tooth fairy, Santa Claus and Superman Obama, in the last half of his second term, could be one such leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah, and I also believe in The tooth fairy, Santa Claus and Superman You also believed in George W.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 You also believed in George W.! Ditto... Lets see the final legislation. P.S. 36% of the people on here don't approve of Napfirst, we already established polls are meaning less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ditto... Lets see the final legislation. P.S. 36% of the people on here don't approve of Napfirst, we already established polls are meaning less We?...who's "We"?....you mean you don't you.....you don't like the polls because they are telling you what you want to hear....just like the 2 recent senators who believed enough in the polls to throw in the towel rather than suffer a embarrassing lost in the 2010 election........ I know it's hard for you guys ..you held out so much hope for the liberal president and now he's failing...from unemployment to healthcare.....and now it looks like what you guys thought would be 8 unencumbered years of pushing a socialist agenda will now end 6 years early.....get over it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 We?...who's "We"?....you mean you don't you.....you don't like the polls because they are telling you what you want to hear....just like the 2 recent senators who believed enough in the polls to throw in the towel rather than suffer a embarrassing lost in the 2010 election........ I know it's hard for you guys ..you held out so much hope for the liberal president and now he's failing...from unemployment to healthcare.....and now it looks like what you guys thought would be 8 unencumbered years of pushing a socialist agenda will now end 6 years early.....get over it... You only stand behind polling prematurely to drive home an unpopular position! What your attempting to do is "Sell consensus"! Statistics are nothing more then a selling tool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 You only stand behind polling prematurely to drive home an unpopular position! What your attempting to do is "Sell consensus"! Statistics are nothing more then a selling tool! You need to educate yourself.......statistics are the mainstays of most industries and organizations....they depend on them to make business decisions, predict future growth and many other aspects of business....you don't like them because they are telling you what you want to hear.....you are in denial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 You need to educate yourself.......statistics are the mainstays of most industries and organizations....they depend on them to make business decisions, predict future growth and many other aspects of business....you don't like them because they are telling you what you want to hear.....you are in denial... Figures don't lie, but liars figure. - Samuel Clemens (alias Mark Twain) http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/display.html Especially the ones you like to quote. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/04/ra...rs-bias-debate/ You can slant any question and any result or statistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Figures don't lie, but liars figure. - Samuel Clemens (alias Mark Twain) http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/display.html Especially the ones you like to quote. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/04/ra...rs-bias-debate/ You can slant any question and any result or statistic. You're in denial.......you can't be helped...but when the '10 elections come and go and the dems lose their power, you'll be one of the chief excuse makers on here with an asortment of tall tales about what happened and how the elections were stolen or some such nosense.....you need to educate yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 You need to educate yourself.......statistics are the mainstays of most industries and organizations....they depend on them to make business decisions, predict future growth and many other aspects of business....you don't like them because they are telling you what you want to hear.....you are in denial... Take the word statistics from this paragraph, because you are describing demographics not statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Take the word statistics from this paragraph, because you are describing demographics not statistics. What in this bill is going to make health care cheaper??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Take the word statistics from this paragraph, because you are describing demographics not statistics. I know what I'm talking about and it's statistics.....and they are derived from demograhics among other things....and if as you stated in earlier posts, you have experience in the insurance industry, you should know this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) I know what I'm talking about and it's statistics.....and they are derived from demograhics among other things....and if as you stated in earlier posts, you have experience in the insurance industry, you should know this..... There is a difference between statistical data used for determining the size and scope of a market for a prospective new product or service offering, and the statistics you are citing. If you run a market test to see if their is a market for a product or service you might be considering offering, it is done without bais, and the results are not publically released, unless however it was done by management to as a means of making a business case to the shareholders of a company. The statistics you are citing have one purpose, they where generated and publically released and aired over and over to sell consensus! Why else would you have to tell the entire population what one test or survey group feels? Why should they care what others think about anything, if you are so sure people are behind your position, then put it to a vote for the people. Complete the bill, put it on the ballot and we will read the result together. You and others like you were shore Obama was losing support over the Pastor Wright smear job, and guess what. You were wrong then like you are now, and even then all of your assertions were dirived from statistical data! The only difference is that this issue is being kept from a vote of the people. First let them complete the bill, then we read it, then let the people decide by casting a vote. If Obama has to sidestep congress (who is bought) then let the people decide. You can say what you like, and you can cite statistics all day, but you were just as wrong about who the president will be, as you are about whether or not the American public wants health care reform! The ones scared are those working in the industry, and those working in the insurance industry, however they are the minority, and they are also the ones benefiting from hosing the majority! Edited January 15, 2010 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 There is a difference between statistical data used for determining the size and scope of a market for a prospective new product or service offering, and the statistics you are citing. If you run a market test to see if their is a market for a product or service you might be considering offering, it is done without bais, and the results are not publically released, unless however it was done by management to as a means of making a business case to the shareholders of a company. The statistics you are citing have one purpose, they where generated and publically released and aired over and over to sell consensus! Why else would you have to tell the entire population what one test or survey group feels? Why should they care what others think about anything, if you are so sure people are behind your position, then put it to a vote for the people. Complete the bill, put it on the ballot and we will read the result together. You and others like you were shore Obama was losing support over the Pastor Wright smear job, and guess what. You were wrong then like you are now, and even then all of your assertions were dirived from statistical data! The only difference is that this issue is being kept from a vote of the people. First let them complete the bill, then we read it, then let the people decide by casting a vote. If Obama has to sidestep congress (who is bought) then let the people decide. You can say what you like, and you can cite statistics all day, but you were just as wrong about who the president will be, as you are about whether or not the American public wants health care reform! The ones scared are those working in the industry, and those working in the insurance industry, however they are the minority, and they are also the ones benefiting from hosing the majority! How do you know Americans want H/C reform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 How do you know Americans want H/C reform? How does he know? because he watches obama tv, cbs, nbc, abc, cnbc and cnn, DUH...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 How does he know? because he watches obama tv, cbs, nbc, abc, cnbc and cnn, DUH...... And whose tv was it before Obama? Smuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 And whose tv was it before Obama? Smuck Yours....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Yours....... Thatas right I paid for it. Like I do everything else I own...Cash on delivery.. Im not a whinner who cries about paying taxes because I not smartwise with my money. I know a great financial planner who can help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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