MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20091014/BUSI...got-a-good-deal Be sure to read through the comments at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfly Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20091014/BUSI...got-a-good-deal Be sure to read through the comments at the bottom. Looks like they removed the comments already! Some unhappy people perhaps? Hey - limit the unions right to strike/reduced work ownership language/pay freeze for new hires? Seems like there are a lot of "divide and conquer" strategies being agreed to here by your leadership. I don't see the cost savings benefit... Send them back for a real agreement that protects your interests as well as the company's! I truly hope that the UAW membership doesn't let the $1000 sucker's bonus payment sway their judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'm still trying to see how this is good news for Ford workers. Most of the "hard" product commitments are for ACH plants. Yes, they currently employ Ford full-time workers, but all this does is make these plants more attractive for sale. What happens to the Ford workers once the plants are sold? That's right, they have to be moved out. I also see that Ford committed to building the current Ranger until 2011. What is not said is where the next generation Ranger will be built. It's only 2 years away. Ford knows, they are just not telling. The only reason I can see is that it is not scheduled for a U.S. plant and they don't want the workers to know this. I don't see how this is a good deal, just on those two points alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Looks like they removed the comments already! The comments are still there. Sometimes you have to refresh the page to makes them appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Most of the "hard" product commitments are for ACH plants. Yes, they currently employ Ford full-time workers, but all this does is make these plants more attractive for sale. What happens to the Ford workers once the plants are sold? That's right, they have to be moved out. It even says that in the modified contract that I read on freep. It said it will make those plants more attractive for sale. Something like that. What happened to "Ghetto" finger saying a few weeks ago that there "will be no more talks" about concessions? He just laid over. He has no balls. UNBELIEVEABLE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawwidow Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 “I fully support the UAW’s right to strike,” stated Sen. Biden. “American auto makers have made promises to their hard-working employees, and must do their best to uphold those commitments.” “Both sides in these talks are stuck between a rock and a hard place,” Sen. Biden continued, “and I urge them to return to the table and find a resolution as quickly as possible.” Senator Biden remarked, “Today’s events remind us that American auto makers need help with health care costs. To keep health care affordable I believe we have to help employers or union-run health plans with catastrophic costs to keep health care affordable for workers, retirees, and their families.” Democratic Underground.24 Sept 07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20091014/BUSI...got-a-good-deal Be sure to read through the comments at the bottom. All the new work depends on the market.................So we all know FORD will take this new work from us.....til 2011 when they promise us the same new work in exchange for wage cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20091014/BUSI...got-a-good-deal Be sure to read through the comments at the bottom. VOTE YES!! This is a good deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 VOTE YES!! This is a good deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 why are we being asked to freeze the entry level wages? is that so we are totally screwed when the want us all to go to the entry level wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 VOTE YES!! This is a good deal... If there is no other reason to vote this down Die has graced us with why this is an easy decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 why are we being asked to freeze the entry level wages? is that so we are totally screwed when the want us all to go to the entry level wages? Bingo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flint Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I don't care what Ford wants--we get no recognition of past concessions. All they want is more, more, and more. All these repetitive promises of work?? Their promises are as unreliable as our Union contracts! Why are they so bent on getting this "No strike" clause passed? Afraid we might want to strike in the near future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunionisforever Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20091014/BUSI...got-a-good-deal Be sure to read through the comments at the bottom. Don't be fooled by the comments section. The company is waging a propaganda war to destroy our moral and get the concessions they want. They hire marketing companies to post up anti-union statements on these message boards. Yes there are people out there who hate unions but it is no coincidence that every single article about the auto industry and the UAW is flooded with these comments. They know we are reading these things and they want you to feel unworthy and guilty about what has been fought for and gained. Don't be fooled by this crap. There are thousands of working people out there who are pulling for us. They know that their standard of living is directly effected by what we have and will be effected by what we lose. Think about it.. What is to be gained by losing middle class wage earners? The more we make, the more we give back to society in the form of taxes, purchases and charity. Take a look at what has happened to Michigan since the drain of high paying Union jobs that have been replaced with poverty wage jobs. No one but a Union busting company paid stooge would think that is a good thing. I work in an assembly plant and I know first hand that I deserve my wages and then some. We need to hold our heads high and ignore this BS the company is putting out. In fact we need to be just as aggressive in the war to win hearts and minds. Register on these comment pages and post your own counter-propaganda. Let people know that we are still alive and fighting to keep the American dream alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 why are we being asked to freeze the entry level wages? is that so we are totally screwed when the want us all to go to the entry level wages? The entry level cap will be lifted and Twin Cities will hire Entry Level employees while current FORD workers are on layoff......... Watch Twin Cities get a new product and it will be built with 2nd tier wage employees! THANKS UAW!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Don't be fooled by the comments section. The company is waging a propaganda war to destroy our moral and get the concessions they want. They hire marketing companies to post up anti-union statements on these message boards. Yes there are people out there who hate unions but it is no coincidence that every single article about the auto industry and the UAW is flooded with these comments. They know we are reading these things and they want you to feel unworthy and guilty about what has been fought for and gained. Don't be fooled by this crap. There are thousands of working people out there who are pulling for us. They know that their standard of living is directly effected by what we have and will be effected by what we lose. Think about it.. What is to be gained by losing middle class wage earners? The more we make, the more we give back to society in the form of taxes, purchases and charity. Take a look at what has happened to Michigan since the drain of high paying Union jobs that have been replaced with poverty wage jobs. No one but a Union busting company paid stooge would think that is a good thing. I work in an assembly plant and I know first hand that I deserve my wages and then some. We need to hold our heads high and ignore this BS the company is putting out. In fact we need to be just as aggressive in the war to win hearts and minds. Register on these comment pages and post your own counter-propaganda. Let people know that we are still alive and fighting to keep the American dream alive. I have some unfortunate news for you - there are a lot, a hell of a lot, of very anti-union people out there, with every fucking one of them more than willing to post this shit on line, for free. That even includes a good deal of people here in Southeast Michigan. They're very vocal, some are very well educated, almost all are white collar, and you're fucking dreaming if you think they don't strongly outnumber the amount of pro-union people. I live in a western Detroit suburb (Westland, no pun intended) and I see that in my own sub. There are eight, out of 125, homes with a UAW member, and over the last two years, they've learned to keep their heads down and their mouths shut around the majority of the rest of the sub, because of the vehement hatred of the UAW. And Westland ain't no high end community. This is as working class as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugots Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Well I live way way out in the middle of nowhere. Surrounded by corn fields and farms. And I have never witnessed any one of my hard working neighbors have anything other than a Ford, Chevy or Chrysler product. Hard working blue collar people still support us. And remember the wealthy white collar is a minority. The majority of us are middle class blue collar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The entry level cap will be lifted and Twin Cities will hire Entry Level employees while current FORD workers are on layoff.........Watch Twin Cities get a new product and it will be built with 2nd tier wage employees! THANKS UAW!!!!! BINGO !!! Thats why they only have 5 days from date of passing to decide if they want to become entry level Ford. Nice eye there CC......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Well I live way way out in the middle of nowhere. Surrounded by corn fields and farms. And I have never witnessed any one of my hard working neighbors have anything other than a Ford, Chevy or Chrysler product. Hard working blue collar people still support us. And remember the wealthy white collar is a minority. The majority of us are middle class blue collar. Wrong. The majority of the middle class is under paid white collar flunkies, a lot of them with meaningless "manager" job titles. It's a myth that the majority of the middle class is blue collar. What more, what blue collar there is in the middle class, and it's still a big group, the majority has been nonunion for quite some time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugots Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Ah yes the "office space" under paid button pushers. Thanks for the correction. I am just used to the good ol farmers and construction people out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Ah yes the "office space" under paid button pushers. Thanks for the correction. I am just used to the good ol farmers and construction people out here. Don't I wish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun3 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Don't I wish... One day we all hope to retire from Ford with full benefits. What has Gettlefinger and Ford done for retirees? Didn't they lose their fall cost of living? Did they lose vision and dental like GM? I want to be comfortable when I retire and am sure all of you do too. What are the chances? Does anyone know what they lost, because everything they lose now, we lose later--never forget that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm2607 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I have some unfortunate news for you - there are a lot, a hell of a lot, of very anti-union people out there, with every fucking one of them more than willing to post this shit on line, for free. That even includes a good deal of people here in Southeast Michigan. They're very vocal, some are very well educated, almost all are white collar, and you're fucking dreaming if you think they don't strongly outnumber the amount of pro-union people. I live in a western Detroit suburb (Westland, no pun intended) and I see that in my own sub. There are eight, out of 125, homes with a UAW member, and over the last two years, they've learned to keep their heads down and their mouths shut around the majority of the rest of the sub, because of the vehement hatred of the UAW. And Westland ain't no high end community. This is as working class as it gets. Funny, when something like this starts up again, you show up again Len and start posting. I know, you have a brother, blah, blah, who worked at the Rouge, blah, blah.... your not an employee Len. Stop posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteford Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 VOTE YES!! This is a good deal... You must be on crack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawwidow Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Question: Has the UAW ever before surrendered its right to strike, especially on Wage and Benefit issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.