napfirst Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 New product for Louisville.......... Read more Ford Said to Make SUV in Kentucky to Export to Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc38 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) New product for Louisville.......... Read more Ford Said to Make SUV in Kentucky to Export to Europe There was a article on Friday in the Louisville CJ. A real timely release on that article,when we are preparing for the info meeting on Sunday. :shades: How much you want to bet this will be brought up by the leadership at this info meeting. I'll be there to watch the fireworks,might be better than our annual Thunder over Louisville event. Here's the info on when local 862 votes,we have 5000 people between the two plants. Also Evansville's HVC is part of our local,not sure when they vote. Info meeting Sunday Oct. 25 1-5pm Fern Valley Hall Vote LAP Hall Oct. 28-29...opens 4pm 28th...closes 6pm 29th. Vote KTP Hall Oct. 29-30...opens 8pm 29th...closes 10pm 30. You can vote at either hall. Edited October 25, 2009 by rc38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 There was a article on Friday in the Louisville CJ. A real timely release on that article,when we are preparing for the info meeting on Sunday. :shades: How much you want to bet this will be brought up by the leadership at this info meeting. I'll be there to watch the fireworks,might be better than our annual Thunder over Louisville event. Unnamed sources are deniable sources. I see this in next years newspaper... "Ford denies allocating product to LAP for export to Europe. The company spokesperson described the article posted by Bloomberg News as speculation. "Ford would never gamble with relocating the assembly of any products based on a short term monetary fluctuation and uncertain export advantages." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeman3737 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I can't believe no one talks about the guarantees on here. The guarantees are the 110 million dollar tax break Ford got from the state of Michigan to keep or add products to plants in Michigan. The company negotiated that with Michigan Economic Development Corporation. An how about the low interest loan Ford received from the Goverment for 5 billion dollars. Which clearly states the money has to be use in the United States on retooling plants for more fuel efficient vehicals. Again the company is doing that. Those guarantees are binding to Ford Motor Company to the State of Michigan and the Federal Goverment. If Fords wants to give back the money and tax break then they can pull the commitments. UNtill that happens I don't want to hear about when IUAW says we got product commitments for you. They might have lobbied Goverments to give the breaks and loans. But the jobs saved or commited by the money Goverments gave is just that. Nothing won by the IUAW. The IUAW can only tell us in the modifications that if vehical sales don't go down then products might come. NO GUARANTEES!!!!! All this while analist are saying Ford will post a NORTH AMERICAN PROFIT next week for the 3rd quarter. I don't want the yes votes to be mad at the company when they REWARD SALARY in the future with 100's of millions in bonuses for making set goals and improvements. While we will only get a raise in the next 6 years if the company feels like giving us one!!!!!! Keep drinking the kool-aid. I'm tired of the HALF TRUTHS FROM THE IUAW. An they think people that disagree with them are misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbone Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 KCAP votes this Sunday the 25th. What happened to weekday votes? Before or after work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Please post your voting results in this thread. Post results and number of votes cast. Something to think about before you vote… Total Compensation Packages Alan Mulally, CEO- $21,670,674.00 Don LecLAIR, CFO- $11,703,127.00 Mark Fields, President –The Americas $8,389,898.00 Lewis Booth, V.P. Ford Europe $10,264,463.00 Mike Bannister, CEO, FMCC $8,677,747.00 Now to put this into perspective from the people who want more concessions…. Average UAW worker Income, Alan Mulally CEO, Per Hr $28.38 Per Hr $10,418.59 Per Wk $1135.20 Per Wk $416,743.73 Yearly $59,030.40 Yearly $21,670,674.00 The 2007 CBA, which was already a concessionary agreement has now been opened twice to give back more, now our UAW leadership wants to give the company more concessions through the 2011 agreement until 2015. Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Why? You've been told a percentage. Have you been told an actual vote count? I'd say not! IT MATTERS VERY MUCH! They have to go by total number voting so that is every single plant! So regardless of what happened as far as percentage at your plant, the no votes could actually swing the vote to defeat when all is said and done! SO YOUR VOTE IS CRITICAL! Don't fall for one of their tired old tricks! Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 KCAP votes this Sunday the 25th. What happened to weekday votes? Before or after work? Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! My father was 33 year retire cop he had gun with bullets in it he did not have to use it ,but if he had to he would have use it ,the right to strike our bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Alot of voting yet to take place and all it takes is a couple big plants to vote it down and it'll be toast. Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'm starting to believe the same bandit. I don't even want to go to the explanations anymore it makes me sick watching all these IUAW walk through our plant and beg for votes. Becoming more and more angry and it won't stop. We have to take our union back next election and we need to start at the convention delegates. My blood pressure is through the roof. Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 There was a article on Friday in the Louisville CJ. A real timely release on that article,when we are preparing for the info meeting on Sunday. :shades: How much you want to bet this will be brought up by the leadership at this info meeting. I'll be there to watch the fireworks,might be better than our annual Thunder over Louisville event. Here's the info on when local 862 votes,we have 5000 people between the two plants. Also Evansville's HVC is part of our local,not sure when they vote. Info meeting Sunday Oct. 25 1-5pm Fern Valley Hall Vote LAP Hall Oct. 28-29...opens 4pm 28th...closes 6pm 29th. Vote KTP Hall Oct. 29-30...opens 8pm 29th...closes 10pm 30. You can vote at either hall. Here is an idea of what we have already given back… 1. GEN, 2.ETAP, 3.Overtime premiums after 8 hours, 4.Holidays, 5.Christmas Bonus, 6.Performance Bonus, 7. Two tier wages, 8.SUB, 9.COLA, 10.Insurance Co Pay increases 11. one minute reduced from each hour break time. 12. Outsourcing of janitorial services. Also the Reduction of thousands of full-time employees due to retirement packages and early separation packages. Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone... COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011 Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011 Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010 TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 in compensation concessions. Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes? You have eliminated thousands of workers off the rolls. The company should be saving a ton of money by this alone. Overtime eliminations in most plants. 10 hour day modifications by not paying workers overtime until 40 hours have been reached. In closing, do you really believe there is no hidden agenda here? With these recent concessions of giving up our strike clause for wage increase and unlimited 2nd tier hiring, ask yourself this… if the UAW and Ford have such a great working relationship then why is this a concern? After all, look what we have already given them. OUR OPINION…they are not worried about taking our wages down, they want to keep our wages frozen where they are right now until 2015, after we have not received a wage increase since 2003, and guess what...WE CAN NOT STRIKE!!! While Ford will be reporting another quarterly profit gain!!! believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and current leaders have done to his beloved union. It would be fair to say that if Walter were still leading this once great union, it would not be in the shape it is today. The noose is seriously tightening on UAW workers in this country. The 2-tier wage system you mentioned is a disgrace to our union. This 2-tier system will eventually be reduced to 1-tier of low wage workers after the seniority workers have been bought out or retire with the resulting profits going to the GM Corp. Working conditions will be unbearable for the new generation of workers with unattainable production standards, gestapo tactics by management, no health and safety standards and weaker union representation. This will all lead to a lower standard of living for workers and their families. As time goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 LIVONIA TRANSMISSION VOTED NO!!! No numbers but VERY reliable source. believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and current leaders have done to his beloved union. It would be fair to say that if Walter were still leading this once great union, it would not be in the shape it is today. The noose is seriously tightening on UAW workers in this country. The 2-tier wage system you mentioned is a disgrace to our union. This 2-tier system will eventually be reduced to 1-tier of low wage workers after the seniority workers have been bought out or retire with the resulting profits going to the Ford Corp. Working conditions will be unbearable for the new generation of workers with unattainable production standards, gestapo tactics by management, no health and safety standards and weaker union representation. This will all lead to a lower standard of living for workers and their families. As time goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Our own union tries to portray us as not being able to understand a basic agreement. The problem is that we understand it all too well! believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and current leaders have done to his beloved union. It would be fair to say that if Walter were still leading this once great union, it would not be in the shape it is today. The noose is seriously tightening on UAW workers in this country. The 2-tier wage system you mentioned is a disgrace to our union. This 2-tier system will eventually be reduced to 1-tier of low wage workers after the seniority workers have been bought out or retire with the resulting profits going to the GM Corp. Working conditions will be unbearable for the new generation of workers with unattainable production standards, gestapo tactics by management, no health and safety standards and weaker union representation. This will all lead to a lower standard of living for workers and their families. As time goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Yeah, a lot like you hiding behind 4 personalitties believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and current leaders have done to his beloved union. It would be fair to say that if Walter were still leading this once great union, it would not be in the shape it is today. The noose is seriously tightening on UAW workers in this country. The 2-tier wage system you mentioned is a disgrace to our union. This 2-tier system will eventually be reduced to 1-tier of low wage workers after the seniority workers have been bought out or retire with the resulting profits going to the GM Corp. Working conditions will be unbearable for the new generation of workers with unattainable production standards, gestapo tactics by management, no health and safety standards and weaker union representation. This will all lead to a lower standard of living for workers and their families. As time goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 LIVONIA TRANSMISSION VOTED NO!!! No numbers but VERY reliable source. believe the company is hoodwinking the union. Our leaders are taking the company’s word on anything they tell them. We need to know the truth about the company’s constant plea of poverty. Solidarity House has always employed some of the finest attorneys and accountants, and it is time we put them to good use. My thoughts on concessions are that concessions lead to elimination of jobs and the unions’ ability to function. Can anyone show me one new UAW job that has been created by concessions? As to the redefining of the union, I think that if our union leadership does not wise up and quit buying into all of the company lies, it will only be a matter of time before the company wants to do away with union representation entirely. most people don’t know that our UAW International Reps. live in a world apart from us. A world where they are insulated from ever worrying about money or losing benefits. They have a far superior contract covering themselves than the workers they represent. They are covered under the standard UAW contract as we all are, plus they have a second retirement plan, over and above the first one, that is funded by our dues. Their health care plan is superior to the workers they represent. Some of the other perks are they get COLA on their second pensions. They qualify for their second pension after as little as five years on staff. There is never a concession contract for these International Reps. It only gets improved upon. Provisions like car allowance improvements, towing, oil changes, expense accounts, raises on pensions, and benefits each contract are taken for granted by International Reps. I think the pain and suffering is being experienced only by our active workers and retirees; definitely not by our International Reps. Our International Union Reps definitely need to quit asking our members to give concessions while they continue to add to their nest egg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerrabbit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 LIVONIA TRANSMISSION VOTED NO!!! No numbers but VERY reliable source. most people don’t know that our UAW International Reps. live in a world apart from us. A world where they are insulated from ever worrying about money or losing benefits. They have a far superior contract covering themselves than the workers they represent. They are covered under the standard UAW contract as we all are, plus they have a second retirement plan, over and above the first one, that is funded by our dues. Their health care plan is superior to the workers they represent. Some of the other perks are they get COLA on their second pensions. They qualify for their second pension after as little as five years on staff. There is never a concession contract for these International Reps. It only gets improved upon. Provisions like car allowance improvements, towing, oil changes, expense accounts, raises on pensions, and benefits each contract are taken for granted by International Reps. I think the pain and suffering is being experienced only by our active workers and retirees; definitely not by our International Reps. Our International Union Reps definitely need to quit asking our members to give concessions while they continue to add to their nest egg. The International Union did lie to all of us by stating they were going to keep the buying power of retirees pensions in line with inflation. it is not the fault of the workers that the jobs have evaporated. As I look back on it, Mike, GM put our work in scab shops across the country. Our union was well aware of this but failed to take any action against these violations. The evaporation of our jobs was a well-planned scheme by corp. management and continues today as they outsource our jobs overseas. 1980’s, auto jobs have been evaporating at lightening speed. Whose fault was it? Was it the autoworkers that brought about the recent decline of the auto industry or was it corporate mismanagement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and current leaders have done to his beloved union. It would be fair to say that if Walter were still leading this once great union, it would not be in the shape it is today. The noose is seriously tightening on UAW workers in this country. The 2-tier wage system you mentioned is a disgrace to our union. This 2-tier system will eventually be reduced to 1-tier of low wage workers after the seniority workers have been bought out or retire with the resulting profits going to the GM Corp. Working conditions will be unbearable for the new generation of workers with unattainable production standards, gestapo tactics by management, no health and safety standards and weaker union representation. This will all lead to a lower standard of living for workers and their families. As time goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Please explain how Reuther would have kept GM out of bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Can anyone show me one new UAW job that has been created by concessions?As to the redefining of the union, I think that if our union leadership does not wise up and quit buying Nothing new was promised with this modification. The promised added volume is already being installed. Perhaps thats why this local wasn't too keen on the deal, membership saw nothing to gain locally with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm2607 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I can't believe no one talks about the guarantees on here. The guarantees are the 110 million dollar tax break Ford got from the state of Michigan to keep or add products to plants in Michigan. The company negotiated that with Michigan Economic Development Corporation. An how about the low interest loan Ford received from the Goverment for 5 billion dollars. Which clearly states the money has to be use in the United States on retooling plants for more fuel efficient vehicals. Again the company is doing that. Those guarantees are binding to Ford Motor Company to the State of Michigan and the Federal Goverment. If Fords wants to give back the money and tax break then they can pull the commitments. UNtill that happens I don't want to hear about when IUAW says we got product commitments for you. They might have lobbied Goverments to give the breaks and loans. But the jobs saved or commited by the money Goverments gave is just that. Nothing won by the IUAW. The IUAW can only tell us in the modifications that if vehical sales don't go down then products might come. NO GUARANTEES!!!!! All this while analist are saying Ford will post a NORTH AMERICAN PROFIT next week for the 3rd quarter. I don't want the yes votes to be mad at the company when they REWARD SALARY in the future with 100's of millions in bonuses for making set goals and improvements. While we will only get a raise in the next 6 years if the company feels like giving us one!!!!!! Keep drinking the kool-aid. I'm tired of the HALF TRUTHS FROM THE IUAW. An they think people that disagree with them are misleading. Great point, and something I haven't thought about. The money given by the government says it has to be used here in the states-- and the tax breaks from the state of Michigan.......hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 believe with all my heart that Walter Reuther would turn in his grave, if he could see what past and . ................................................................................ ................................................................................. .....goes on, the company will get bolder and bolder while the union gets weaker and weaker. Roger , you need to stop stuttering please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Chic Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Now thats surprising. Saline is the only plant i know working 12 hour shifts including weekends. They also have been getting more work. I also noticed if you read the white pages under product sourcing for Saline there is no mention to inprove attractivness for a potential sell. All the other ACH plants read that they will sell the plants. Not Saline. Is this because it will be going back to Ford? Your point being? As far as Ford taking the Saline Plant back....I wouldn't hold my breath. How would it be a benefit to the Company to fly the Blue Oval Flag??? There are a LOT of temporary transplants at Saline right now. My opinion and that's just what it is MY OPINION is that there is some evil ulterior motive behind these concessions I assure you. They can call it pattern bargaining or whatever but we don't owe the Govt. GM and Chrysler do (and as a lender the Govt wants some assurance of no work stoppage ...strike) Yes, Ford has debt, our UAW members have never been unreasonable in working with the company to assure Quality, Productivity and in giving back to try to achieve Profitability. The uncap on the entry level employees foretells of more low paid employees with no benefits. A good military move....... divide and conquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maislebandit Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Why? You've been told a percentage. Have you been told an actual vote count? I'd say not! IT MATTERS VERY MUCH! They have to go by total number voting so that is every single plant! So regardless of what happened as far as percentage at your plant, the no votes could actually swing the vote to defeat when all is said and done! SO YOUR VOTE IS CRITICAL! Don't fall for one of their tired old tricks! Don't get me wrong, nothing and I mean nothing will stop me from casting my NO vote. We have all heard the infamous 51% before. It is just very suspicious and makes me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Don't get me wrong, nothing and I mean nothing will stop me from casting my NO vote. We have all heard the infamous 51% before. It is just very suspicious and makes me wonder. I'm right there with you! This modification is garbage and it must be defeated! They need to go back to the table and start getting reasonable. The days of the rank and file blindly following the orders of the people that are supposed to working FOR them are over! The IUAW only wants announce percentages in the hopes that it will discourage people at other plants who are against the modification from voting by saying "what's the use"? Again, that is why every vote counts! I'm looking at a few of the plants who passed it and it was by such a narrow margin and so few votes that when the bigger plants vote later on, if enough vote against it, we can overturn this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANGO4224 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'm right there with you! This modification is garbage and it must be defeated! They need to go back to the table and start getting reasonable. The days of the rank and file blindly following the orders of the people that are supposed to working FOR them are over! The IUAW only wants announce percentages in the hopes that it will discourage people at other plants who are against the modification from voting by saying "what's the use"? Again, that is why every vote counts! I'm looking at a few of the plants who passed it and it was by such a narrow margin and so few votes that when the bigger plants vote later on, if enough vote against it, we can overturn this! Didn't 228 vote today? Results? Who else voted today thought there were a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbabbitt Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Didn't 228 vote today? Results? Who else voted today thought there were a few. lets see them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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