Thank you!

[Aces]

And all you liberals seem to think it is someone elses responsibility to take care of everything. Society is people living in the same area to help each other. The government has nothing to do with that.

 

 

So.... I expect you to stay off the interstates.

[longball]

?

 

What tax?

 

Perhaps you should not swallow all of the rhetoric from the insurance companies and their paid for politicians.

 

Talk about what you've swallowed...the DEMOCRATS are so deep into the insurance companies pockets they are buried in pocket lint...you make no sense...the Dems and the insurance companies are like 2 peas in a pod...open your eyes man....I think if you could look back on your thinking in 10 or 15 years ....like we do with old pictures....you would say "Oh my God I was so naive."

[Aces]

?

 

What tax?

 

Perhaps you should not swallow all of the rhetoric from the insurance companies and their paid for politicians.

 

 

Talk about what you've swallowed...the DEMOCRATS are so deep into the insurance companies pockets they are buried in pocket lint...you make no sense...the Dems and the insurance companies are like 2 peas in a pod...open your eyes man....I think if you could look back on your thinking in 10 or 15 years ....like we do with old pictures....you would say "Oh my God I was so naive."

 

Did I say Republicans?

 

No.... I said paid for politicians.

 

Try reading instead of jumping to conclusions.

[stephenhawkings]

Thank you for a topic that has so many people talking/typing about so much crap that it has become hard to follow.

[CD4EMAN]

Thank you for a topic that has so many people talking/typing about so much crap that it has become hard to follow.

 

 

Isnt that what this forum is all about, opinions and thoughts. diverse and narrow minded is welcome here. If someone doe not like what is written here you have 2 choices rebut or go to a different site.

I read things here all the time I dont actually believe,but Its our God and American right to voice our opinions. I hate no one for their thoughts but a lot of people would have you taken away for a divergent point of view. I thank the people that maintain this site for the opportunity they give us to have a platform to talk, discuss,annoy or whatever we do here.

I will always read and post my opinions here and hopefully not personally offend anyone, if I ever have done so I apologize to them and ahead of time.

[longball]

Did I say Republicans?

 

No.... I said paid for politicians.

 

Try reading instead of jumping to conclusions.

 

Why do you bring up republicans? All I said was the Dems are in bed with the insurance companies....I mentioned that party because they are responsible for the present run on our tax dollars...that and the fact that you are one of the biggest CHEERLEADERS of the Dems and OUR President ...on this site....I didn't jump to any conclusions...Also why would you think I would defend those bastards anyway.... never have.

[Trimdingman]

Some people believe that it is a good thing for the government to provide for people who are unable or unwilling to make it on their own. The problem is that the money to do this is not there. As soon as some new government program is introduced, corrupt agencies take it over for their own profit, and 90% of the money gets syphoned off. The problem that the program was supposed to solve gets worse. Now, we are printing money to pay for these programs, and extorting the rest of the world to accept it as real money. Americans get Social Security and food stamps, and public education and highways; but it is the Chinese and others who are actually paying for it. Our socialist system is bankrupt. The rest of the world looks at the US like the US looks at JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Citigroup. It is too big to fail. The repercussions would be disastrous for them, so they keep on bailing it out by buying its worthless paper. This is eventually going to bring down the whole world's economy, or bring on World War III.

 

What we need is less government. Allow businesses and individual people to succeed of fail on their own merits. Assistance should be individual to individual. The government should have no right to play Robin Hood. Once they start down that road, the ball of wax grows and grows until it consumes everything, as has happened now.

[CD4EMAN]

What we need is less government. Allow businesses and individual people to succeed of fail on their own merits. Assistance should be individual to individual. The government should have no right to play Robin Hood. Once they start down that road, the ball of wax grows and grows until it consumes everything, as has happened now.

 

 

well put.

As Joe Biden said "its our patriotic duty to pay taxes" what a goof ball statement.

[gunnut69]

Here you go.

 

Interstates- these are required for the commerce and postal service - they fall under the scope of proper federal funding. I'd like to see more of the revenue for interstates generated by toll roads and gasoline taxes.

 

National and State Parks - They have already been granted the land, I'd like to see them keep their tax exempt status but recieve no federal funding. They can charge daily fees, annual memberships, merchandise, and fund raise. They need to be self sufficient.

 

Local and State schools - I think we should abolish the Department of Education and all funding for schools should come from the state and local levels. I am for charter schools and school vouchers.

 

Federal and State Police, Army - I grouped these together as the federal government has a requirement to provide for the safety and security of the American people. I'd like to see less involvement in overseas issues. I'd like to see many laws repealed in regards to drugs, prostitution, and gambling. If we had less laws, we'd have less criminals. I'm torn on the privitization of local law enforcement at this point, but I'd like to learn more about it.

 

These are not all strict libertarian thoughts, but for the most part they are close.

 

As to walking away from entitlements that we are paying for, that does not make sense. When Bush sent you the tax refund check, did you send it back to the gov't and say "No Thanks!" If the UAW had passed the OCt mods you were against, would you have sent Ford back the check? I'm paying for the roads through taxes, I'll use them. I'd prefer to pay for roads another way, but I'm in the minority. I'm OK with that.

 

wow what a post.

 

interstates were built and are maintained to mobilize armed forces should that become necessary. other uses,while important, are secondary to that.they do fall properly under federal funding,for obvious reasons. usage taxes such as tolls would be insufficient.any increase in gas taxes would lead to less usage and further reduce usage revenue.

 

national and state parks: really? lumping all this together?there are several designations under each heading but ok. ill address national parks. national parks are meant to be set aside and kept pristine for generations of americans to come,and to preserve the splendor found in our beautiful nation. theres no way to accomplish that and make them totally self sufficient unless your idea of beauty is billboards for miles and hundreds of tacky shops in roadside trailers. dont know if you ever drove through the smoky mountains when it used to be run like that but its much nicer now.

 

education???? yeah good idea lets let the already struggling states handle education on their own.we should be setting higher standards nationally if we want to continue to at least compete in development of technology globally. there are changes that need to be made but no rational person can really believe this is one of them,imo.

 

 

federal and state cops lumped together with the army???REALLY????????? the armed forces protect the nation,the cops enforce the law. these are two very,very different functions. it is in fact illegal for the army to be used for law enforcement,although the nat. guard has been used in the past.privatizing the cops? its been done man. it was done long ago and was such a failure that it led to the current system. once again no rational person......

 

drug laws do need to be reformed. drug use should be treated as the medical problem it really is and not a criminal act. theres no rerason for any drug to be illegal for a medical doctor to prescribe should he choose to. it should also be legal for a doctor to maintain a drug addict. these would be good steps in addressing the ever growing and incredibly expensive so called "war on drugs" .prostitution and gambling already are legal on the national level.

[Dale143]

I still can't believe that auto industry people can be Republicans. It just boggles my mind. Until I got on this forum I had no idea they were out there. Crazy.q

 

The answer to that is simple.

CHRISTIANS.

 

An issue the Bible most definitely “takes sides” on is abortion. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6). Therefore, Bible-believing Christians should strongly support candidates who are pro-life.

Another issue which is most definitely biblical is that of gay marriage. The Bible condemns homosexuality in the strongest terms possible (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Gay marriage is an attack on the institution of marriage that God created to be between one man and one woman (Genesis 2:22-24). Endorsing gay marriage or even civil unions is basically giving approval to a lifestyle choice the Bible condemns as immoral and unnatural. Gay marriage, then, is an issue Christians must consider when they evaluate a candidate.

The Bible teaches that a leader in the church should be a godly, moral, ethical person (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). This should apply to political leaders as well. If politicians are going to make wise, God-honoring decisions, they must have a basic morality on which to base the decisions they are going to have to make. So if there is a clear moral distinction between candidates, as Christians, we should choose the more moral, honest, and ethical of the candidates.

No matter who is in office, whether we voted for them or not, whether they are of the political party we prefer or not, the Bible commands us to respect and honor them (1 Peter 2:13-17; Romans 13:1-7). We should also be praying for those placed in authority over us (Colossians 4:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:17). We do not have to agree with them, or even like them, but we do have to honor and respect them. Politics is always going to be a difficult issue for Christians. We are in this world, but are not to be of this world (1 John 2:15). We can be involved in politics, but we should not be obsessed with politics. Ultimately, we are to be heavenly-minded, more concerned with the things of God than the things of this world (Colossians 3:1-2). As believers in Jesus Christ, we are all members of the same political party—monarchists who are waiting for their King to return (Revelation 19:11-16).

 

"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

[Trimdingman]

I think that there should be a more efficient way for the private sector to build and maintain roads than having the government do it. In the Toronto region, we have the 407 private highway. The tolls are outrageous, but if you compare the speed that it was built because of the profit motive, compared to the many years of road construction to build public roads, you will get my point. I don't want to see toll highways, but highways built by the interests who will profit from them. These include car manufacturers, oil companies, shopping centres, etc. Roads can be built by the private sector for a fraction of what governments pay. People who choose to live in small remote communities would probably be tolled if they want good paved roads to civilization. On the whole, it would still be cheaper than having the taxpayers subsidize them.

 

Using one's imagination, I bet that there is nothing that the private sector could not do. Government could be a relic that is no longer required. Anyone can see that governments to-day are causing a lot more harm than good. Are they really necassary? That question needs to have some consideration.

[fordxer]

?

 

What tax?

 

Perhaps you should not swallow all of the rhetoric from the insurance companies and their paid for politicians.

Page 1943 states 8500 for single coverage, 23K for employee +. The tax appears to only be on the amount over this amount. So if your health plan is valued at 25K, you pay $800 in tax (40% of 2000).

 

THAT TAX.

[CD4EMAN]

The answer to that is simple.

CHRISTIANS.

 

An issue the Bible most definitely “takes sides” on is abortion. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6). Therefore, Bible-believing Christians should strongly support candidates who are pro-life.

Another issue which is most definitely biblical is that of gay marriage. The Bible condemns homosexuality in the strongest terms possible (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Gay marriage is an attack on the institution of marriage that God created to be between one man and one woman (Genesis 2:22-24). Endorsing gay marriage or even civil unions is basically giving approval to a lifestyle choice the Bible condemns as immoral and unnatural. Gay marriage, then, is an issue Christians must consider when they evaluate a candidate.

The Bible teaches that a leader in the church should be a godly, moral, ethical person (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). This should apply to political leaders as well. If politicians are going to make wise, God-honoring decisions, they must have a basic morality on which to base the decisions they are going to have to make. So if there is a clear moral distinction between candidates, as Christians, we should choose the more moral, honest, and ethical of the candidates.

No matter who is in office, whether we voted for them or not, whether they are of the political party we prefer or not, the Bible commands us to respect and honor them (1 Peter 2:13-17; Romans 13:1-7). We should also be praying for those placed in authority over us (Colossians 4:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:17). We do not have to agree with them, or even like them, but we do have to honor and respect them. Politics is always going to be a difficult issue for Christians. We are in this world, but are not to be of this world (1 John 2:15). We can be involved in politics, but we should not be obsessed with politics. Ultimately, we are to be heavenly-minded, more concerned with the things of God than the things of this world (Colossians 3:1-2). As believers in Jesus Christ, we are all members of the same political party—monarchists who are waiting for their King to return (Revelation 19:11-16).

 

"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

 

 

I agree with you completely.

[Die Wahrheit]

I agree with you completely.

 

 

thats the problem you cant quote passages from the bible and decide thats the way things should be. If you are going to live right live all the way right not just quoting scripture to prove your point. What about loving your enemy? what about not spewing hate? oh, Im sorry that doesnt prove your point so you dont use it. Typical right wing thinking quote the bible when its convenient for you. How about adultry or fornication? They dont seem to have a problem with that but the right WING want to cram their beliefs down everyone throats. STIFFNECKED HYPOCRITS....

 

P.S. STUDY THE NEW TESTAMENT AS WELL .

[Dale143]

thats the problem you cant quote passages from the bible and decide thats the way things should be. If you are going to live right live all the way right not just quoting scripture to prove your point. What about loving your enemy? what about not spewing hate? oh, Im sorry that doesnt prove your point so you dont use it. Typical right wing thinking quote the bible when its convenient for you. How about adultry or fornication? They dont seem to have a problem with that but the right WING want to cram their beliefs down everyone throats. STIFFNECKED HYPOCRITS....

 

P.S. STUDY THE NEW TESTAMENT AS WELL .

 

I'm not trying to prove any points.

I'm just giving my opinion on why there are republicans in the auto industry.

Read my post completely and you will see quotes from both the old and new testaments.

 

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1)

Edited December 30, 2009 by Dale143

[Marginal Economist]

A Beginners Guide to Liberty

 

10 quick essays by a group of international economists on topics around liberty. Sources are shown if you want to do more in depth study.

 

Best of luck, I'm going to back out of the political debates for a while.

[partsisparts]

I agree with you completely.

 

 

Quoting the bible is great. But what about people who are not christian. They do not follow what is in the bible. Also over the years the bible was altered by the monks who were copying it. It has been altered to their liking.

 

Also, didn't Jesus say love your fellow man. I don't remember him saying except the gay ones.

All of you bible quoters never quote the beatitudes, the words of Jesus, why?

Edited December 30, 2009 by partsisparts

[Aces]

Page 1943 states 8500 for single coverage, 23K for employee +. The tax appears to only be on the amount over this amount. So if your health plan is valued at 25K, you pay $800 in tax (40% of 2000).

 

THAT TAX.

 

 

Oh.. so you think your negotiated health plan is worth that much?

 

Sorry.... it's not.

Edited December 30, 2009 by Aces

[Aces]

The answer to that is simple.

CHRISTIANS.

 

An issue the Bible most definitely “takes sides” on is abortion. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6). Therefore, Bible-believing Christians should strongly support candidates who are pro-life.

Another issue which is most definitely biblical is that of gay marriage. The Bible condemns homosexuality in the strongest terms possible (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Gay marriage is an attack on the institution of marriage that God created to be between one man and one woman (Genesis 2:22-24). Endorsing gay marriage or even civil unions is basically giving approval to a lifestyle choice the Bible condemns as immoral and unnatural. Gay marriage, then, is an issue Christians must consider when they evaluate a candidate.

The Bible teaches that a leader in the church should be a godly, moral, ethical person (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). This should apply to political leaders as well. If politicians are going to make wise, God-honoring decisions, they must have a basic morality on which to base the decisions they are going to have to make. So if there is a clear moral distinction between candidates, as Christians, we should choose the more moral, honest, and ethical of the candidates.

No matter who is in office, whether we voted for them or not, whether they are of the political party we prefer or not, the Bible commands us to respect and honor them (1 Peter 2:13-17; Romans 13:1-7). We should also be praying for those placed in authority over us (Colossians 4:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:17). We do not have to agree with them, or even like them, but we do have to honor and respect them. Politics is always going to be a difficult issue for Christians. We are in this world, but are not to be of this world (1 John 2:15). We can be involved in politics, but we should not be obsessed with politics. Ultimately, we are to be heavenly-minded, more concerned with the things of God than the things of this world (Colossians 3:1-2). As believers in Jesus Christ, we are all members of the same political party—monarchists who are waiting for their King to return (Revelation 19:11-16).

 

"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

 

 

So You believe in a bunch of Jewish fairy tales?

 

Is that your point?

[mikem12]

Oh.. so you think your negotiated health pan is worth that much?

 

Sorry.... it's not.

 

 

good god when I was LAID OFF IN 79 bcbs WAS over $300 a month if I wanted to continue on my own. Is our negotiated health care costing plus 8500 I'd say yes!

[Aces]

good god when I was LAID OFF IN 79 bcbs WAS over $300 a month if I wanted to continue on my own. Is our negotiated health care costing plus 8500 I'd say yes!

 

 

Any Facts? ...or just speculation?

[fmccap]

education???? yeah good idea lets let the already struggling states handle education on their own.we should be setting higher standards nationally if we want to continue to at least compete in development of technology globally. there are changes that need to be made but no rational person can really believe this is one of them,imo.

Where has education rankings gone since the federal gov. became involved?

[Marginal Economist]

Any Facts? ...or just speculation?

Teamsters statement

 

Q&A from Unions.org blog

 

Health Care cost 8K per American

The government statisticians estimated that health costs will reach $13,100 per person in 2018, accounting for $1 out of every $5 spent in the economy.

 

Just speculation. But if costs are over 8K per person, and insurance companies make money, would you guess insurance would need to charge over 8K per person to be profitable? And isn't UAW coverage considered better than average, with higher costs due to the workplace environment?

[Marginal Economist]

Where has education rankings gone since the federal gov. became involved?

 

The only place in the country under federal jurisdiction for education is the District of Columbia. Guess where they rank?

 

Linky

[Dale143]

Quoting the bible is great. But what about people who are not christian. They do not follow what is in the bible. Also over the years the bible was altered by the monks who were copying it. It has been altered to their liking.

 

Also, didn't Jesus say love your fellow man. I don't remember him saying except the gay ones.

All of you bible quote rs never quote the beatitudes, the words of Jesus, why?

 

Again. I'm just answering the question on how can there be republicans in the auto industry.

I'm not trying to turn it into a religious debate.