Revolutionary Theory: Obama Administration Betting on Violence to Implement Martial Law, Seize absolute power

[Versa-Tech]

So I've spent the past year trying to figure out the logic behind the Obama administrations actions. Since the President took office, every move he's made has lowered his approval rating (Save Haiti). On the surface, his actions are borderline insane (literally). Or are they?

 

Insanity is defined as a perception that one can perform the same action in repetition with the expectation of a different result. In order to avoid any contextual interpretation, I've broken this concept down into an equation:

 

repetitive action + unwavering mistaken expectation= insanity

 

...Pretty straightforward. Like any equation, it can only function with all values present. However, like any other equation, it can also be written in different ways using algebraic logic. Let's see what happens when I transpose one value.

 

repetitive action + unwavering mistaken expectation= mistaken insanity

 

simplified:

 

repetitive action + unwavering expectation= mistaken insanity

 

Both equations are both logically and psychologically correct. The only difference is outside perception. Are you starting to see the Parallel here?

 

Now forgive my laziness, but I'm going to cut myself off. I don't feel like writing another dissertation. Just ask yourself one question. Why would the most powerful man in the world want to piss off the most powerful country in the world? The answer is in the topic's title.

[RangerM]

I may believe he is completely misguided in 95% in what he's doing, but I don't believe he wants that.

 

He is wrong, not malevolent.

[Trimdingman]

I may believe he is completely misguided in 95% in what he's doing, but I don't believe he wants that.

 

He is wrong, not malevolent.

 

 

He was raised as a Communist from childhood. It is hard to put yourself in his shoes if you have no Communist background. I know how to push their buttons, but I cannot completely understand what makes them tick. Do they truly believe that people are better off under Communism, or do they have an uncontrollable lust for power? Anyone who wants to be president so bad that he actually succeeds in becoming president against all odds, I would say has a lust for power. If the economic system collapses, we will go to one extreme or the other. There will either be total government or no government. He will have a 50-50 chance of attaining supreme dictatorial power.

[Versa-Tech]

I may believe he is completely misguided in 95% in what he's doing, but I don't believe he wants that.

 

He is wrong, not malevolent.

I'm not sure exactly what his plan is, I just wrote the conspiracy theorist title to bait the trolls.

 

But your argument doesn't hold water. A man smart enough to teach law and ambitious enough to run for president with zero experience doesn't simply wake up one day and decide he's going to be a door mat.

[Savetheplanet]

So I've spent the past year trying to figure out the logic behind the Obama administrations actions. Since the President took office, every move he's made has lowered his approval rating (Save Haiti). On the surface, his actions are borderline insane (literally). Or are they?

 

Insanity is defined as a perception that one can perform the same action in repetition with the expectation of a different result. In order to avoid any contextual interpretation, I've broken this concept down into an equation:

 

repetitive action + unwavering mistaken expectation= insanity

 

...Pretty straightforward. Like any equation, it can only function with all values present. However, like any other equation, it can also be written in different ways using algebraic logic. Let's see what happens when I transpose one value.

 

repetitive action + unwavering mistaken expectation= mistaken insanity

 

simplified:

 

repetitive action + unwavering expectation= mistaken insanity

 

Both equations are both logically and psychologically correct. The only difference is outside perception. Are you starting to see the Parallel here?

 

Now forgive my laziness, but I'm going to cut myself off. I don't feel like writing another dissertation. Just ask yourself one question. Why would the most powerful man in the world want to piss off the most powerful country in the world? The answer is in the topic's title.

 

 

Your thread title and description seem to be a troll, but I will bite.

Me thinks that you need to take a good hard look at the number of people who support the President. seems like you are sheltered on the issue of opinions (for/against) of the american people. In you thread on HCR " HCR implodes, you state in the description that nobody wants it. Not only were you completely wrong about it imploding, you were also completely wrong about nobody supporting it. Those of you against the HCR are in the minority.

 

As far as Obama's approval rating here ya go, here a number of polls that show the majority of Americans approve of Obama's job performance.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

 

But yeah, if all you do is watch Fox or read the drudge report I guess you would think that nobody supports HCR or Obama's performance. Obama is betting on violence, martial law, seize absolute power? Sounds like you are having a mental breakdown my friend.

 

Let's recap what Obama has done in the last week

 

1. HCR, Obama signed possibly the the biggest, most humanitarian legislation in 40+ years!

 

2.Student loan reform, once again republicans were on the side of the banks and insurance companies and Democrats were on the side of patients and students.

 

3.Nuclear arm reduction pact with russia, reducing Nuclear arms by a third. (anyone doubt the Pulitzer peace prize now?)

 

 

4. Sanctions agaist Iran, Russia and China, who would never support a Bush/Cheney initiative, seem ready to support sanctions that may result in real progress, believe it or not I (STP) support kicking the shit out of Iran if they insist on creating Nuclear missiles

 

 

Not a bad week, President/Nobel Laureate/Scholar/Diplomat Barack Hussein Obama. !

Obama is the real deal, that's why so many love him, good luck in 2112, will the Republicans trot out another old white guy who is out of touch with the new millennium? Every time people doubt what he can do he drives down the court and dunks it. How many thought he could not even make it past the primary against Hillary?

[Trimdingman]

Your thread title and description seem to be a troll, but I will bite.

Me thinks that you need to take a good hard look at the number of people who support the President. seems like you are sheltered on the issue of opinions (for/against) of the american people. In you thread on HCR " HCR implodes, you state in the description that nobody wants it. Not only were you completely wrong about it imploding, you were also completely wrong about nobody supporting it. Those of you against the HCR are in the minority.

 

As far as Obama's approval rating here ya go, here a number of polls that show the majority of Americans approve of Obama's job performance.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

 

But yeah, if all you do is watch Fox or read the drudge report I guess you would think that nobody supports HCR or Obama's performance. Obama is betting on violence, martial law, seize absolute power? Sounds like you are having a mental breakdown my friend.

 

Let's recap what Obama has done in the last week

 

1. HCR, Obama signed possibly the the biggest, most humanitarian legislation in 40+ years!

 

2.Student loan reform, once again republicans were on the side of the banks and insurance companies and Democrats were on the side of patients and students.

 

3.Nuclear arm reduction pact with russia, reducing Nuclear arms by a third. (anyone doubt the Pulitzer peace prize now?)

 

 

4. Sanctions agaist Iran, Russia and China, who would never support a Bush/Cheney initiative, seem ready to support sanctions that may result in real progress, believe it or not I (STP) support kicking the shit out of Iran if they insist on creating Nuclear missiles

 

 

Not a bad week, President/Nobel Laureate/Scholar/Diplomat Barack Hussein Obama. !

Obama is the real deal, that's why so many love him, good luck in 2112, will the Republicans trot out another old white guy who is out of touch with the new millennium? Every time people doubt what he can do he drives down the court and dunks it. How many thought he could not even make it past the primary against Hillary?

 

 

I guess that you would not be opposed to crowning him dictator. As for his approval ratings, I don't know what ones you are following, but from what I see, they are sinking fast.

 

Health care reform was a slam dunk. The majority of the people were opposed to it. Even if I personally was in favor of it, I would not like to see this happen. What the majority of the people want is supposed to trump what the government wants. What else will Obama force on the American people using this new-found power?

Edited March 28, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Edstock]

But yeah, if all you do is watch Fox or read the drudge report I guess you would think that nobody supports HCR or Obama's performance. Obama is betting on violence, martial law, seize absolute power? Sounds like you are having a mental breakdown my friend.

You hit the nail on the head. The conservatives are so brain-washed and frustrated that they listen to only those sources that trumpet the "party line". As a result, they don't see things the same way everybody else does.

 

And their beliefs and positions cannot be discussed; they are completely intransigent.

 

It's not that they are entirely illogical. Given the distortions of their perception, the supposition that Obama is trying for martial law, is a logical conclusion — it just doesn't hold up with the wider reality that they ignore.

[Trimdingman]

You hit the nail on the head. The conservatives are so brain-washed and frustrated that they listen to only those sources that trumpet the "party line". As a result, they don't see things the same way everybody else does.

 

And their beliefs and positions cannot be discussed; they are completely intransigent.

 

It's not that they are entirely illogical. Given the distortions of their perception, the supposition that Obama is trying for martial law, is a logical conclusion it just doesn't hold up with the wider reality that they ignore.

 

 

You must be looking in the mirror.

 

If civilization breaks down, as nearly happened in 2008, I have no doubt that Obama will go for dictatorship and declare martial law. We live in surreal times. This stuff is for real. If you believe anybody, believe your own master, Obama. He said that we narrowly avoided the total collapse of the world financial system. Did we avoid it, or just temporarily delay it? It could happen as soon as tomorrow or next month. I would not bet against it happening within a year.

Edited March 28, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Versa-Tech]

Your thread title and description seem to be a troll, but I will bite.

Me thinks that you need to take a good hard look at the number of people who support the President. seems like you are sheltered on the issue of opinions (for/against) of the american people. In you thread on HCR " HCR implodes, you state in the description that nobody wants it. Not only were you completely wrong about it imploding, you were also completely wrong about nobody supporting it. Those of you against the HCR are in the minority.

 

As far as Obama's approval rating here ya go, here a number of polls that show the majority of Americans approve of Obama's job performance.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

 

But yeah, if all you do is watch Fox or read the drudge report I guess you would think that nobody supports HCR or Obama's performance. Obama is betting on violence, martial law, seize absolute power? Sounds like you are having a mental breakdown my friend.

 

Let's recap what Obama has done in the last week

 

1. HCR, Obama signed possibly the the biggest, most humanitarian legislation in 40+ years!

 

2.Student loan reform, once again republicans were on the side of the banks and insurance companies and Democrats were on the side of patients and students.

 

3.Nuclear arm reduction pact with russia, reducing Nuclear arms by a third. (anyone doubt the Pulitzer peace prize now?)

 

 

4. Sanctions agaist Iran, Russia and China, who would never support a Bush/Cheney initiative, seem ready to support sanctions that may result in real progress, believe it or not I (STP) support kicking the shit out of Iran if they insist on creating Nuclear missiles

 

 

Not a bad week, President/Nobel Laureate/Scholar/Diplomat Barack Hussein Obama. !

Obama is the real deal, that's why so many love him, good luck in 2112, will the Republicans trot out another old white guy who is out of touch with the new millennium? Every time people doubt what he can do he drives down the court and dunks it. How many thought he could not even make it past the primary against Hillary?

Yes the title was a troll.

 

1. Illustrative Scenario: Haiti asked for Aid. Obama says "we're going to do even better. We're going to give all Haitians AIDS. It's plural and therefore better. Plus they asked for it, so every time anyone tries to contest whether or not Haitians are better off with healthy immune systems we can point to the fact that they said they wanted it."

 

Get the point? If you ask Americans if they want HCR, 99% of them will say yes. If you ask Americans if they want this bill, ~70% of them will say no. But every time you ask Obama why he's pushing a bill that nobody wants, he acts as if we're too stupid to make a distinction between a simple idea and a massive overcomplicated bill.

 

2. I agree with student loan reform... it makes sense.

 

3. NAR has been a no brainer since the cold war. And I have serious doubts about a Pulitzer Peace prize

 

4. Do you remember what happened the last time we sanctioned somebody?

[focus05]

As a domestic policy advocate, I think Obama has fallen drastically short. Frankly, though, the Republicans for all their whining (and yes, it is whining) seem incapable of actually putting together a cohesive plan of their own on any front.n In general, with the recent policy push, I really blame a completely incompetent congress - every Democrat and Republican needs to go, and we need to change how we run our elections to help moderate, rational people from both sides get elected.

 

The reality is that politicians are not economists. The Republicans scream about taxes and deficit, but there's actually a good reason we're running our current deficit. And taxes are much lower than they were even during the .com boom. Budget stability - not lower taxes or decreased spending, per se - should be the goal of our government right now (this ignores the philosophical debate about the total role of govt - but suffice to say that it is very large at minimum).

 

Democrats are just populists - fight for the little guy and what the little guy wants even if in the long run it is actually harmful to the little guy (minimum wage laws, additional jobless benefits, salary caps on wall street, etc). They follow the will of the people - even when it is (and it often is) dumb.

 

Our political parties are a disaster on domestic front and no movement within either party actually understands how the gov't should structure or help structure (through targeted subsidy or tax) health care, banking reform, salary rationalization - much less really get at the ramifications that help us figure out if the gov't should do anything!

 

However, internationally, so far Obama has been pretty adept. And I like what he's doing with Israel and Iran right now: Israel pisses off the Middle East by announcing construction; instead of defending them ala Bush/Cheney, he is isolating their leaders and appealing to their people. His message to Arab "allies" in the ME like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq and countries we're trying to get on board like Syria, Yemen, Oman, Pakistan is that Israel is not acting with our approval - we have a mutual problem there... but we also have a mutual problem in Iran. By isolating Israel's current leadership with our mid-east allies, the US is also isolating Iran's leadership as well.

 

It's a bold step. With any luck, it will not be the US that brings sanctions against Iran - it will be someone like Saudi Arabia, a country that might actually get Russia and China on board faster than the US.

 

Obama has been pretty good so far. He was left a mess when Bush left office and has done a reasonably good job managing despite disagreements with his own party and trying not to cater to stupid populist sentiments constantly. I really didn't like Bush - I'm pretty firmly in libertarian territory with a few exceptions - and Bush did so many stupid things on social and economic fronts that I honestly believe he should go down as one of the worst Presidents ever. Compared to him Obama is awesome - but that's like saying I'd rather get stabbed with a toothpick than a samurai sword.

 

We're still getting stabbed, though.

 

I would encourage everyone to end divisive tones - things like dictator, emperor, etc - and focus on what's really wrong with our country. None of the current Republican leaders is going to solve it better; neither will any of the Democrats. So, I'd suggest we demand election reform and once in place, get everyone out of office and start over.

Edited March 28, 2010 by focus05

[Savetheplanet]

Ir. As for his approval ratings, I don't know what ones you are following, but from what I see, they are sinking fast.

 

 

 

 

umm. all of these

 

http://www.realclear...roval-1044.html

[Versa-Tech]

umm. all of these

 

http://www.realclear...roval-1044.html

Umm... that's not even a link.

[Savetheplanet]

Umm... that's not even a link.

oops...........

 

 

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

[Savetheplanet]

You hit the nail on the head. The conservatives are so brain-washed and frustrated that they listen to only those sources that trumpet the "party line". As a result, they don't see things the same way everybody else does.

 

And their beliefs and positions cannot be discussed; they are completely intransigent.

 

It's not that they are entirely illogical. Given the distortions of their perception, the supposition that Obama is trying for martial law, is a logical conclusion — it just doesn't hold up with the wider reality that they ignore.

 

 

A new Harris poll reveals the Republican midset,: Two thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim-and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist." Even if those numbers are not even close and it 's a way smaller % it still speaks volumes about how sheltered conservatives are. What with their creation of a, "cocooned, conservative, religio-political subculture, complete with a massively lucrative publishing/broadcasting/blogging service industry, reinforces this with a cultural sledge-hammer".

 

I really do think that this is the end of the conservative party as we know it, the GOP is eating it's own with this Tea party movement, who only seem to be able to defeat themselvs, they certainly can't defeat the Democrat's.

[Versa-Tech]

A new Harris poll reveals the Republican midset,: Two thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim-and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist." Even if those numbers are not even close and it 's a way smaller % it still speaks volumes about how sheltered conservatives are. What with their creation of a, "cocooned, conservative, religio-political subculture, complete with a massively lucrative publishing/broadcasting/blogging service industry, reinforces this with a cultural sledge-hammer".

 

I really do think that this is the end of the conservative party as we know it, the GOP is eating it's own with this Tea party movement, who only seem to be able to defeat themselvs, they certainly can't defeat the Democrat's.

I'm guessing the other third doesn't know what socialist means. :shades:

[Edstock]

I'm guessing the other third doesn't know what socialist means. :shades:

Actually, the "other third" are the well-educated, intelligent Goppers who know the precise definition of the word, unlike some around here.

[RangerM]

I'm not sure exactly what his plan is, I just wrote the conspiracy theorist title to bait the trolls.

 

If you want to bait, I would suggest linking to stories like this.....

 

White men shun Democrats

 

Millions of white men who voted for Barack Obama are walking away from the Democratic Party, and it appears increasingly likely that they'll take the midterms elections in November with them. Their departure could well lead to a GOP landslide on a scale not seen since 1994.

 

For more than three decades before the 2008 election, no Democratic president had won a majority of the electorate. In part, that was because of low support -- never more than 38 percent -- among white male voters. Things changed with Obama, who not only won a majority of all people voting, but also pulled in 41 percent of white male voters.

 

Polling suggests that the shift was not because of Obama but because of the financial meltdown that preceded the election. It was only after the economic collapse that Obama's white male support climbed above the 38 percent ceiling. It was also at that point that Obama first sustained a clear majority among all registered voters, according to the Gallup tracking poll.

 

It looked for a moment as though Democrats had finally reached the men of Bruce Springsteen's music, bringing them around to the progressive values Springsteen himself has long endorsed. But liberal analysts failed to understand that these new Democrats were still firmly rooted in American moderation.

 

Pollsters regularly ask voters whether they would rather see a Democrat or Republican win their district. By February, support for Democrats among white people (male and female) was three percentage points lower than in February 1994, the year of the last Republican landslide.

 

Today, among whites, only 35 percent of men and 43 percent of women say they will back Democrats in the fall election. Women's preferences have remained steady since July 2009. But white men's support for a Democratic Congress has fallen eight percentage points, according to Gallup.

 

White men have moved away from Obama as well. The same proportion of white women approve of him -- 46 percent, according to Gallup -- as voted for him in 2008. But only 38 percent of white men approve of the President, which means that millions of white men who voted for Obama have now lost faith in him.

[RangerM]

He was raised as a Communist from childhood. It is hard to put yourself in his shoes if you have no Communist background. I know how to push their buttons, but I cannot completely understand what makes them tick. Do they truly believe that people are better off under Communism, or do they have an uncontrollable lust for power? Anyone who wants to be president so bad that he actually succeeds in becoming president against all odds, I would say has a lust for power. If the economic system collapses, we will go to one extreme or the other. There will either be total government or no government. He will have a 50-50 chance of attaining supreme dictatorial power.

But your argument doesn't hold water. A man smart enough to teach law and ambitious enough to run for president with zero experience doesn't simply wake up one day and decide he's going to be a door mat.

 

I just think the man believes what makes America (and by extension Americans) great is the level of oversight the government has over the people (He'd probably say "provides for the people").

 

He firmly believes the government is the solver of all problems, and no persons should ever suffer misfortune that could be prevented by the government.

 

What he doesn't understand is that to minimize misfortune, you must also minimize freedom.

 

He also doesn't understand that when people live in a system that disallows failure, it also undermines any will to succeed, except those who would do harm to the other complacent souls; and in an omnipresent government atmosphere everyone believes that whatever potential harm may come to them will be "taken care of" by the government, making the harm (that is inevitable) much more severe. Put simply, when you believe "it's the government's job", then you fail to do yours.

[BlackHorse]

A new Harris poll reveals the Republican midset,: Two thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim-and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

 

 

LOL, As opposed to the 92% of liberals that are still waiting on him to start paying their mortgage payments and gas pump bills.

 

By the way, the two thirds of us that think he's a socialist are pretty much right as he has clearly demonstrated throughout his political career.

 

 

 

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." -- Barack Obama

 

He attended meetings of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America - an organization that later endorsed him.

 

Obama himself endorses Bernie Sanders who is the only "openly" socialists member of the Senate.

 

He attended socialists conferences in the 1980s at Cooper Union and African cultural affairs in Brooklyn.

 

He was endorsed by the Communist Party USA.

Edited March 29, 2010 by BlackHorse

[jpd80]

I'm guessing the other third doesn't know what socialist means. :shades:

 

Socialist or socialite....:shades:

 

what do people think, will Obama be a one term president?

Edited March 29, 2010 by jpd80

[Trimdingman]

I'm not sure exactly what his plan is, I just wrote the conspiracy theorist title to bait the trolls.

 

But your argument doesn't hold water. A man smart enough to teach law and ambitious enough to run for president with zero experience doesn't simply wake up one day and decide he's going to be a door mat.

 

 

It is not about Him. It is about the people. He could become the next Fiedel Castro, a very successful man, but not so good for the people under him. We had our own dictator wannabe in Canada; Pierre Trudeau. People still worship him to-day and swear that he was our best Prime Minister ever. He was good, for himself. Castro attended his funeral. It took decades for Canada to recover from the mess he left behind, but he was charismatic, and stood out in a crowd. Plain spoken, down-to-earth types are best suited to be presidents. They are not all about themselves, but the people they serve.