Unions brace for a GOP onslaught

[fmccap]

The Republicans are claiming to go after teachers pay and benefits, Government workers pay and benefits, police and fire pay and benefits since the election.

 

If the republicans get their way and slash everyones pay and benefits does that mean they will then go after GM and Chrysler pay and benefits again?

 

Should we help fight for these pay and benefit reductions for these people?

 

How do we stop the republicans?

 

I am just worried the republicans will come for us again.

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[Trimdingman]

Trim,

Nice example of a Post Hoc fallacy, but it doesn't have anything to do with my point concerning the Hourly wages and benefits gained solely through and by collective bargaining.

 

The Ford UAW workers as a whole (and i did make an assumption here, that he was hourly) increased their wages and benefits solely through collective bargaining (socialist).

 

So if you would care to expound on your theory of Company choice now i would appreciate it. And please keep it relevant to Ford Hourly workers, not vendors, grandmas, dog catchers and/or anyone else you might care to inject.

 

 

There are hundreds of thousands of auto workers who do not recieve $30 an hour. The ones who do are a select few. How much labor is involved in making a steering wheel? How much labor is involved in installing it on to a car? Only the person who puts it on the car gets the $30 an hour. He puts on 60 steering wheels per hour or more, plus other work, probably. In my opinion; I have no proof, just opinion; auto companies pay high wages because high wages are needed to buy their products. Henry Ford started it by paying $5 a day, and there was no union. Look at how easily the union caved in recently when the car companies put their foot down. They had that power all along, but apparently didn't want to use it.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Armstrong]

The Republicans are claiming to go after teachers pay and benefits, Government workers pay and benefits, police and fire pay and benefits since the election.

 

If the republicans get their way and slash everyones pay and benefits does that mean they will then go after GM and Chrysler pay and benefits again?

 

Should we help fight for these pay and benefit reductions for these people?

 

How do we stop the republicans?

 

I am just worried the republicans will come for us again.

 

 

Yes Louie they will come at us sooner than later. They have shown their true colors on the middle class wages. They want to widen the gap and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

[TANGO4224]

Yes Louie they will come at us sooner than later. They have shown their true colors on the middle class wages. They want to widen the gap and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

 

Do you get the difference between public sector and private sector??? The Repubs are (I hope) going after public sector ie, GOV'T PAID...our tax dollars. Don't you see that the states are going broke because they can't afford to continue those rising benefits. OUR tax dollars can not sustain it, thats one reason why our states are broke. Used to be that gov. jobs paid half of what private jobs now that is reversed. I would like to see teachers make more money with their salaries but some thing has to be done with gov. out of control pensions. The tax payer can't afford it. Maybe the Repubs should look at Private school pay-benefit structure. Works very well ....They are Privately run. NO TAX DOLLARS!

[westmont]

personally i love the irony of a man making better wages and getting better benefits based on a socialist ideal, collective bargaining and then attacking socialism and calling himself names.

 

The cognitive dissidence is amazing.

 

I mean your a socialist pig Westmont. everything you own has its basis in the socialism. Every dollar you made is socialist.

 

My friend our hole economy is based off of Capitalism. Mr ford himself was a Capitalist, free enterprise. In a socialist society

you don't move unless the Government gives you permission. Sometimes you just can't fix stupid!!!!

[louie]

Yes Louie they will come at us sooner than later. They have shown their true colors on the middle class wages. They want to widen the gap and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

 

Its just not right to elect republicans when they come right out and tell us they are going after the unions. They will come back and get us again.

 

I still have nightmares of the scary republicans, shelby, corker, mccain and the rest of them that wanted to lower our wages to 3rd world country wages, take away our retirees benefits and pensions.

[dividedwebeg]

Its just not right to elect republicans when they come right out and tell us they are going after the unions. They will come back and get us again.

 

I still have nightmares of the scary republicans, shelby, corker, mccain and the rest of them that wanted to lower our wages to 3rd world country wages, take away our retirees benefits and pensions.

 

 

Yes it was scary and things could have gone terrribly wrong. Thank God the UAW was there to fight. Read the book overhaul and you will see just how scary it was.

[kpc655]

The state you live in will decide whether it effects us or not.Randy Paul and Bitch McConnell will do everything in their power to make Kentucky a right to work state,that's a fact! If that happens all Unions in Kentucky will be FUCKED.

 

why?

[westmont]

Could you like maybe, i don't know come up with a real response. Something that doesn't prove your inability to be fixed.

 

But let me take your half-hearted attempt... and respond.

 

We have a mixed economy. Heavily biased towards capitalism but we're not capitalist. Not even in the loosest of definitions. Its not even debatable, in so much as there is no one with half an ounce of economic understanding that would suggest that our system is without government influence. And it shouldn't be. I can give you examples of government influence that make ours a mixed economy if you would like.

 

Child Labor laws.

In capitalism- the right to hire who you wish is innate. We as Americans disagree and have passed laws to restrict youth hiring and working hours.

 

Safe Worker conditions

In capitalism-the government only enforces private property laws, which would allow you to run your property as you wish. We as Americans disagree and have passed laws to maintain some level of workplace safety (Can we not debate if too much or not enough?)

 

But in any case we as Americans don't believe in unrestricted capitalism and never really have. Even Adam Smith the founding father of capitalism did not believe in a totally unrestricted market.

 

 

Now i have to correct your second mistake. The fact that socialism to you only extends to government does not change the fact that the concept of socialism is more than an economic form. So some strange out of left field comment about governmental socialism doesn't change the fact that COLLECTIVE BARGAINING is in fact a socialist concept. It doesn't change the fact that without the Union, itself a socialist concept you would be making less. Thus you are a socialist pig. Want me to go over that again?

 

You= In union

Union= Socialist

Socialists= Pigs

 

You are a socialist pig.

 

 

 

well, if you quit posting we wouldn't have to know that your stupid and can't be fixed. But i tried to give you some knowledge not that you'll use it.

 

 

Your knowledge is wrong read some real books on Capitalism. It might help if you understood what your quoting. I love our Country

that all people have a voice even if there wrong.

[Armstrong]

Could you like maybe, i don't know come up with a real response. Something that doesn't prove your inability to be fixed.

 

But let me take your half-hearted attempt... and respond.

 

We have a mixed economy. Heavily biased towards capitalism but we're not capitalist. Not even in the loosest of definitions. Its not even debatable, in so much as there is no one with half an ounce of economic understanding that would suggest that our system is without government influence. And it shouldn't be. I can give you examples of government influence that make ours a mixed economy if you would like.

 

Child Labor laws.

In capitalism- the right to hire who you wish is innate. We as Americans disagree and have passed laws to restrict youth hiring and working hours.

 

Safe Worker conditions

In capitalism-the government only enforces private property laws, which would allow you to run your property as you wish. We as Americans disagree and have passed laws to maintain some level of workplace safety (Can we not debate if too much or not enough?)

 

But in any case we as Americans don't believe in unrestricted capitalism and never really have. Even Adam Smith the founding father of capitalism did not believe in a totally unrestricted market.

 

 

Now i have to correct your second mistake. The fact that socialism to you only extends to government does not change the fact that the concept of socialism is more than an economic form. So some strange out of left field comment about governmental socialism doesn't change the fact that COLLECTIVE BARGAINING is in fact a socialist concept. It doesn't change the fact that without the Union, itself a socialist concept you would be making less. Thus you are a socialist pig. Want me to go over that again?

 

You= In union

Union= Socialist

Socialists= Pigs

 

You are a socialist pig.

 

 

 

well, if you quit posting we wouldn't have to know that your stupid and can't be fixed. But i tried to give you some knowledge not that you'll use it.

 

 

Well said>>>> The uninformed wish to ignore your responses because your concept not spun taught on faux news

[louie]

:poke:

[FiredMotorCompany]

:poke:

 

Are you poking Armstrong?

 

I guess it make sense in "Your Little World, where they know you".

Removed as unnecessary provocation. My apologies.

Edited December 6, 2010 by FiredMotorCompany