Ohio Collective Barging Bill Passes

[louie]

I’m not going to assume I know what happens in different countries or States, but a few years back here in Ontario, our Premier (that’s our equivalent of a Governor for those Americans who weren’t taught about their neighbours to the North), wanted to test our teachers to ensure they knew what they were teaching. The union had a major issue with this, and there was a revolt by the teachers throughout the elementary and secondary school levels.

 

In Ontario, where a teacher can earn over $85,000 per year, the only education you need is a few months of Teacher’s College, after you graduate from university. Fact is, I know people at assembly plants with more education then what teachers require.

 

And unlike many other professions, here in Ontario, once you are hired, you are set for life. No re-certification for any of them

 

 

 

I can’t believe teachers are still pushing this lie. We all spent at least 12 years in school, and we all know at least a half dozen teachers in our personal life. We all have first hand knowledge of what a teacher actually does. The reason why people think teachers are over paid is because we all know first hand what they actually do.

 

I drive past two schools on the way homes from work. The parking lots are mostly empty when I’m on my way home. We have at least 3 teachers in our neighbourhood, who are usually home before I am everyday. My ex (who I lived with), is a teacher. Sorry bud, but if teachers actually worked half as much as they claim to, it would be twice as much as they are actually working right now. Not to mention, if an inch of snow falls, the schools get shut down, and teachers get the day off, with pay

 

My SO was out of town this week at a conference / training session. They started at 8:00 in the morning, and didn’t finish until 8:00 at night. Right now she is in her office trying to get caught up on work she couldn’t get to while she was away. So please, most “professionals” work well past 5:00 and weekends. And they don’t get the entire summer off to “regroup”. Not to mention, most never stop continuing their education.

 

 

 

Good ones, yes. Average to poor ones, not at all.

 

Problem is, the bad ones far out number the good ones. And the problem is my tax dollars pay those bad ones. And those bad ones will never be fired.

 

 

 

I notice you didn’t mention the pay of soldiers. Who make far less, and have far more dangerous jobs. But I guess they aren’t unionized, so you don’t really care about them.

 

Listen, no one says the PD or FD don’t have an element of danger, but the reality is, there is a greater risk of the truck driver who delivers toilet paper to the grocery store of being hurt, then of a PD or FD being hurt. Yet you don’t seem overly concerned about them.

 

Teachers or other public servants complaining about the pay, is like my mother knowing how far the drive to Florida is, agreeing to drive there, then complaining that it’s taking too long.

 

It is well known what a teacher earns. If you make the decision to go into that profession, you know what you will be paid. I don’t understand why people do something willingly; knowing all the issues, and then complain about those issues. If teachers don’t like what they are getting paid, then go do something else. But don’t tell me you do it for the “love of it”, then bitch you want more money. And just once, I’d love to hear a teacher try to complain how tough they have it, while they are in the midst of their 10 week summer vacation. Or two week Christmas Holiday. Or week long March Break. Or during one of their 20 sick days. As long as they are being paid with the public’s money, then the public has the right to question how effectively that money is being spent. and considering the education that our children are receiving, it ain't being spent wisely.

 

 

All these benefits you seem to complain about were collectively bargained.

 

So you agree with taking away collective bargaining rights???

 

You seem to adore the Republican agenda. You complain about the very basic rights of teachers ability to collectively bargain their benefits as well as the "10 week vacation" and on the other hand complain its not fair to have your CAW benefits cut.

 

Cant have it both ways slamming the Teachers ability to bargain good agreements and because you have been hindered by economic conditions

 

You truly are a closet Republican..... "If I cant have it nobody should" or here's my favorite..... "everybody must share the pain"

 

Typical Republican spin...... I bet you voted opposite what the CAW suggested and now you see they are out to take collective bargaining rights.....

 

I will bet you that the voters in Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin will run the Republicans out of office in 2012.

 

They showed the world their Union busting agenda and the people will respond.

 

Maybe now the UAW Membership will believe the UAW on the real political advantage we have with Democratic power.

 

Those Democrats on the lam from Wisconsin are standing up for us Union workers. They are putting their political careers on the line to help Unions succeed.

 

That's why the UAW endorses Democrats.......... When we are attacked by republicans those Democrats are there for us

 

Oh yeah...........

[cal50]

Union membership in the USA is >10% (that's less than for the big thinkers). If you really believe there will be a revolt based solely on SB5 or converting a state to a right to work state your dreaming.

Unless a state is a democratic strong hold no one else is supporting "the cause". Actually its driven many jobs out of the state and created new jobs for someone else in a different state.

[louie]

Union membership in the USA is >10% (that's less than for the big thinkers). If you really believe there will be a revolt based solely on SB5 or converting a state to a right to work state your dreaming.

Unless a state is a democratic strong hold no one else is supporting "the cause". Actually its driven many jobs out of the state and created new jobs for someone else in a different state.

 

 

Wages have been falling over the last 10 years. People are working more and earning less. The pressure is mounting and the middle and lower class continues to earn less. The majority of wealth is inappropriately at the top of the spectrum and economics show this same event caused the 1929 collapse. It almost happened in 2008 and could happen in 2011 if gas prices continue to soar.

 

People are out of work, no jobs, soup kitchens full, homeless people multiplying by the thousands weekly ans foreclosures continue at an unprecedented rate.

 

The unions are less than 10% but the American spirit is rising and people have had enough.

 

Unions or not the workers will rise to protest these atrocities. We already see it in Wisconsin and in Michigan

 

Regular Joe six packs are marching, non union and union alike.......... People are pissed

 

The revolt is coming.............. Labor has been resurrected because of the stupidity of the Republican agenda

[cal50]

Wages have been falling over the last 10 years. People are working more and earning less. The pressure is mounting and the middle and lower class continues to earn less. The majority of wealth is inappropriately at the top of the spectrum and economics show this same event caused the 1929 collapse. It almost happened in 2008 and could happen in 2011 if gas prices continue to soar.

 

People are out of work, no jobs, soup kitchens full, homeless people multiplying by the thousands weekly ans foreclosures continue at an unprecedented rate.

 

The unions are less than 10% but the American spirit is rising and people have had enough.

 

Unions or not the workers will rise to protest these atrocities. We already see it in Wisconsin and in Michigan

 

Regular Joe six packs are marching, non union and union alike.......... People are pissed

 

The revolt is coming.............. Labor has been resurrected because of the stupidity of the Republican agenda

 

 

 

 

Well then is the the "republican agenda" the reason that 90% of the work force is non-union?

Doubtful.

 

The American spirit is people want work and they could care less if its union or non-union. The state or location that offers this will be the ones that prosper. The only thing stupid is people democrat or republican that blindly support that one party.The private sector already went through wage cuts, give backs and head count reductions. The public employees will be getting some of the same.

[rn4]

Well then is the the "republican agenda" the reason that 90% of the work force is non-union?

Doubtful.

 

The American spirit is people want work and they could care less if its union or non-union. The state or location that offers this will be the ones that prosper. The only thing stupid is people democrat or republican that blindly support that one party.The private sector already went through wage cuts, give backs and head count reductions. The public employees will be getting some of the same.

 

 

So I take it your all for the race to the bottom.

[louie]

Well then is the the "republican agenda" the reason that 90% of the work force is non-union?

Doubtful.

 

The private sector already went through wage cuts, give backs and head count reductions. The public employees will be getting some of the same.

 

 

Typical Republican response.

 

Listen to what you are spewing.

 

You are falling right into the spin to lower wages for all workers while the 2% of the wealth continue to control you and what you say.

 

So we haven't had a raise since 2005. This has happened in every sector of the working class.

 

Out of our control?

 

Not really because this depends on the politicians we elect (see Wisconsin Democrats standing up for workers and their wages).

 

Is it by chance the Republicans held the political advantage through the 2000's and your wages as well as most Middle Class have been impacted negatively?

 

Yes

 

Is it crystal clear how the phone prank to Walker shed some light for you?

 

Yes

 

So because we have been hurt economically you truly feel everyone must be hurt economically?

 

You have fallen into the Rich mans spin.......... You watch too much TV. Try to devise your own thoughts instead of repeating the Republican spin.

 

It will hit you like a lightning bolt when you realize you are acting like a puppet.

[westmont]

Hell...take a look at your own workplace parking lot. Your own UAW brothers and sisters won't buy American...How in hell can you even think of expecting anyone else to do so?

 

Simple fact of the mattrer...the teachers are spoon fed the media bullshit about the UAw the same as anyone else. Some of us know its not that UAW we know today, but "Perceptions" take a long damn time to change, but WE have done little to nothing to change it in the publics eyes. And we wonder why we are hated? Its no surprise at all. We as a Union, like it or not, protect dead weight in the workplace, Have in the past produced some really crappy quality, are filmed going to lunch at the bar or smoking dope in the park, and somehow we think these things are going to make the public love us?

 

I'll bitch about support from OTHER Unions, when we get the support from OUR OWN! Hell, I even know reps that ride Non-American motorcycles. they probably have a honda in the garage that the wife drives.

 

And before anyone asks...My garage contains the following vehicles...2 Ford Focus's and 2 harley Davidson bikes. Nothing else allowed...PERIOD

 

 

Thank God your garage didn't contain a Fusion built off a mazda 6 platform built in mexico or any of the new Harley's made with foreign parts. I think your buy American slogan is 20 years past due. How about buy American/China/Korea or any where cheap labor exists.

I 'm sure your flat screen was made in america or your shoes how about your good old blue jeans nope. The next thing you will tell me

we will elect some Socialist MUSLIM to be president. Hows that working out for you ? I 'm sure your house value has gone up since he took

office and gas has stabilized. LOL !!

[2B Home]

Returning this discussion to the original topic, following my earlier post, I took time to watch the debate which occurred in the Ohio Senate on March 2nd, prior to the 17-to-16 vote passing of Senate Bill 5.

 

In fairness, it needs to be said that there were six Ohio Republican senators who stood with the ten Ohio Senate Democrats in opposition to SB 5. Comments made during the Senate Floor debate, offered by two of the Republican senators who voted "no" on SB 5, are especially worth watching.

 

While these senators' political philosophy is certainly not in harmony with Organized Labor, both opposed SB 5 on the basis of its labor-management unfairness and the absence of truth in other senators claims that SB 5 allows authentic Collective Bargaining.

 

Republican Senator Bill Seitz, from Cincinnati, sat on the Committee from which SB 5 emerged, but Republican leaders removed Seitz because Seitz's opposition to SB 5 in Committee would have blocked the bill from moving to the full Senate for consideration.

 

Senator Seitz's comments are directly viewable here.

 

Republican Senator Tim Grendell, from Geauga County, immediately follows Senator Seitz in the debate and Senator Grendell entertainingly argues against SB 5.

 

Senator Grendell's comments are directly viewable here and here.

 

While there is a clear Republican agenda to blunt the political power of Organized Labor, there were also six Ohio Senate Republicans who chose not to support the unfairness and untruthfulness of SB 5.

 

This fight now moves to the Ohio House.

[Aces]

[Cocheese]

First off, changing my handle shows your maturity and intelligence. Or better yet, lack there of.

 

All these benefits you seem to complain about were collectively bargained.

 

So you agree with taking away collective bargaining rights???

 

Not at all. Where did I say that?

 

Please, point out where I stated bargaining rights should be stripped of anyone.

 

You seem to adore the Republican agenda. You complain about the very basic rights of teachers ability to collectively bargain their benefits as well as the "10 week vacation" and on the other hand complain its not fair to have your CAW benefits cut.

 

My benefits aren’t being “cut”, they are being taken from me. As come September, I will no longer be working for Ford.

 

At no point have I complained that “its not fair to have (my) CAW benefits cut.”

 

I'm not happy in how this change in my life as come about, but I am thrilled to be starting a new chapter. My issue has been with how the CAW put us in this position, not with what the outcome will be

 

Please, if you are going to quote me, use an actual quote instead of making one up.

 

Cant have it both ways slamming the Teachers ability to bargain good agreements and because you have been hindered by economic conditions

 

So why must the private sector workers be effected by the economic conditions, but the public sector unions feel they should be left alone?

 

I’m sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

 

You truly are a closet Republican..... "If I cant have it nobody should" or here's my favorite..... "everybody must share the pain"

 

Actually, I always felt it was the Democratic motto that "If I cant have it nobody should”, and “share the pain” was awfully similar to comments made by Obama. But I know your kind is easily confused, so I’m sure you have them mixed up

 

Maybe you should actually understand a post before you respond to it. At no point did I suggest that anything should change with the current benefits that are afforded to Teachers. I simply stated that before they complain how tough they have it, they should look around and see what they actually have. I mean, I think there are lots of people out there who would love the salary, time off, and length of workday teachers have. I am one of them

 

Typical Republican spin...... I bet you voted opposite what the CAW suggested and now you see they are out to take collective bargaining rights.....

 

First, you should be careful about throwing around the term "typical Republican spin", considering you haven't been able to coherently respond to the comments I have made, and instead have gone off on another tangent by using classic Left Wing talking points.

 

Second, I vote based on what I believe to be the best choice. Not what the union instructs me to do.

 

Third, I’d like you to show me where I voted in an election, where the party I voted for has suggested collective bargaining rights should be removed.

 

Unfortunately, in the real world, you have to back up your claims.

 

I will bet you that the voters in Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin will run the Republicans out of office in 2012. They showed the world their Union busting agenda and the people will respond.

 

Yeah, much like the Republicans and Tea Party had no hope in 2010 right?

 

My bet is you are dead wrong, and even more States swing to the Right come 2012. Only one way to find out.

 

Tell me, are you going to put your money where your mouth is, you are you like most Lefties and do more talking, then actual doing?

 

Maybe now the UAW Membership will believe the UAW on the real political advantage we have with Democratic power.

 

Maybe you should take a look and see how big your membership is, and realize you have no where close the amount of power you think you do

 

Those Democrats on the lam from Wisconsin are standing up for us Union workers. They are putting their political careers on the line to help Unions succeed.

 

That's why the UAW endorses Democrats.......... When we are attacked by republicans those Democrats are there for us

 

Oh yeah...........

 

Umm, they ran away like cowards.

 

I wonder how you would feel if things were reversed.

[cal50]

LOL. And you'll be giving lectures on economics.

 

But if you told me the right would use nepotism to elect the retarded son of a former president who

 

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm

 

 

Retarded son? Really??

 

You are entitled to your misguided belief or dislike but the facts do not support your incorrect opinion.

If anything the Gore and Kerry supporters all voted for the less intelligent person,twice.

Understandable if your a party line voter (most people here).

 

Now who is the retard?

(Look in mirror)

[Aces]

Uh huh .....its all about the budget....or is it?

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42222763

 

In Ohio the Governor wants to give away a profitable business to his friends.

[forddaughter]

I just read an article that said in order for Ohio to get this on the Nov. ballot it would cost Unions $10-$20 million. But it would be worth it in the end.

[Furious1Auto]

Ya fire fighters, police and teachers are making a killing, wake up bro this is bad for all.

 

Well if we can't get Ford workers to accept a no strike provision voluntarily, let's legislate their rites away in the states they work in before they get to bargain. I do realize this legislation is an attack against public employees, but the precedent will spread to the private sector in time. BS, total BS, it is the administration that needs to take compensation cuts when there is defect spending, not attempting to cut the hourly's compensation, and/or numbers. This trend is very disturbing!

Edited March 25, 2011 by Furious1Auto

[Aces]

Democracy?

 

Sure does not look like it.

 

http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/03/29/ohio-house-committee-rams-through-new-attack-on-workers/

[Aces]

Workers can reject this extinguishing of their rights

 

http://www.labornotes.org/2011/03/ohioans-can-overturn-anti-labor-bill-through-referendum%E2%80%94again

 

It's not over!