onmyway Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Just wondering when everyone thinks the LAP openings will happen? Before or after the contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 After the contract because LAP will be set up as a plant that a certain number of the workforce must be 2nd Tier Wage! In return the company will give us maybe a $1000 check. Sadly I am starting to think you are right. Looking for an early agreement, between the UAW and Big 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Harley Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 KCAP employees to begin transferring there in October is what we're hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordd Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 After the contract because LAP will be set up as a plant that a certain number of the workforce must be 2nd Tier Wage! In return the company will give us maybe a $1000 check. They may try to implement this but I really do not think this will fly with the membership. Let us not forget there are ALOT of employees at ACH that may be eyeing this plant as a potential home. Ford must make good on placement of ACH employees or bring back a couple of plants to keep us working. WE have the final say on any agreement that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Did anyone else hear if the KCAP Transfer of Ops postings will be going up this week? Edited April 25, 2011 by WalterWeeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f150oderus Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Did anyone else hear if the KCAP Transfer of Ops postings will be going up this week? Thats the rumor sign ups for SUV goes up this week first ones to transfer in late October early November Truck system employees will not be allowed to sign up for this move :blah: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KansasCityTruck Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Any idea how many people might transfer? Company is expecting 400+. They say a lot of people who transfered here from Atlanta, St. Louis, and Ohio want to go. Edited April 26, 2011 by KansasCityTruck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasyfrank Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 with so many openings going to be there (so they say) wonder if they will post openings company wide or just plants that are closing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Ford has no reason to post company wide. Why would they pay moving expenses to somebody that is working? IMHO, they will post at the closing plants and hire second tier workers if they don't get enough people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standup Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Ford has no reason to post company wide. Why would they pay moving expenses to somebody that is working? IMHO, they will post at the closing plants and hire second tier workers if they don't get enough people. They have lots of people in Michigan that still need permanent jobs due to plants that have been reduced; therefore any plant that has people working at ACH plants temporarily will be getting postings. I would expect if they still have people that need jobs in Michigan that other Michigan plants will get postings as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 They have lots of people in Michigan that still need permanent jobs due to plants that have been reduced With gas prices going they way they are, and the C-Max launching later this year, I would expect MAP and the door lines at DSP to go on three shifts soon. That would absorb some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zj3 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 With gas prices going they way they are, and the C-Max launching later this year, I would expect MAP and the door lines at DSP to go on three shifts soon. That would absorb some people. mayb some body from map , could answer this , i had heard that some launch team was coming down to lap for the cmax , and that map lost the cmax , cause they cant keep up wth production numbers of the focus, let alone add the cmax, just what i had heard , not trying to start any type of bs between map and lap , but just what i had heard . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 mayb some body from map , could answer this , i had heard that some launch team was coming down to lap for the cmax , and that map lost the cmax , cause they cant keep up wth production numbers of the focus, let alone add the cmax, just what i had heard , not trying to start any type of bs between map and lap , but just what i had heard . Dearborn Stamping is still modifying the Focus door lines to make the C-max doors. If it had been moved to LAP, their door lines would be making it. That rumor is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zj3 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Dearborn Stamping is still modifying the Focus door lines to make the C-max doors. If it had been moved to LAP, their door lines would be making it. That rumor is false. ok thanks , that's why i wanted to ask, instead of spreading false rumors, . Well thats good both plants will be busy , we got the escape and new lincoln concept c vehicle, just remembr between our two plants we can build 10 different vehicles , so we will be safe for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Can anyone explain to me how or WHY Kansas City would have the 1st chance to transfer to LAP when the company has released press briefings claiming that there would be NO job losses at KCAP with the new product? Especially when we have people around the country currently on layoff and/or facing a certain closure and layoff with no in zone plants to go to? T of O language was specifically designed to make job assurances to those members that were being told that their job was going to be LOST and moved to plant X. Not just because you build an Escape and so love it that you should be paid $30K to get to keep building it somewhere else while your plant gets new product with NO job loss. Because we here in Indy had our 'Operation' 'transferred' to an outside company we get NO job assurances or priority Transfer opportunities. The IUAW should live up to the letter of the agreement on Transfer of Ops. No job losses = No Transfer of Ops. If jobs, at LAP, are still available after the RTBU and laid off have been given an opportunity then by all means KCAP should be given an opportunity the same as anyone else. Here is the article that says all current jobs will be retained http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=33930. Edited April 27, 2011 by WalterWeeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Harley Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) It is what it is..... Kcap gets special treatment!! For some reason the company does not lay off Anybody at Kcap.... They will lay off at other plants to keep from Laying off at Kcap!!!! Must be nice To have job security like they do. It's good to be the king! BTW General. They are wanting to layoff some trades right now so....... The SUV side is rumored to be down a year for re-tool (depends on who you listen to). Transfer with the product and keep working, ya know? Plus, there are many who would like to get closer to their original plant. Believe it or not, Louisville is about 5-6 hours closer to home for those who are from Michigan and we have folks from Atlanta too. There's always someone in the crowd who doesn't like contract language that doesn't benefit them any. If the shoe was on the other foot, Weeps wouldn't be saying a word. It is what it is, deal with it. BTW Weeps, KCAP transfers to Louisville open jobs at KCAP, wouldn't ya think? So those needing jobs could move here as well. Or is it that you want Louisville over KC and you would rather not see language that allows the KC people to follow their product and fill openings ahead of you? Edited April 28, 2011 by Twincam Harley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) It's good to be the king! BTW General. They are wanting to layoff some trades right now so....... The SUV side is rumored to be down a year for re-tool (depends on who you listen to). Transfer with the product and keep working, ya know? Plus, there are many who would like to get closer to their original plant. Believe it or not, Louisville is about 5-6 hours closer to home for those who are from Michigan and we have folks from Atlanta too. There's always someone in the crowd who doesn't like contract language that doesn't benefit them any. If the shoe was on the other foot, Weeps wouldn't be saying a word. It is what it is, deal with it. BTW Weeps, KCAP transfers to Louisville open jobs at KCAP, wouldn't ya think? So those needing jobs could move here as well. Or is it that you want Louisville over KC and you would rather not see language that allows the KC people to follow their product and fill openings ahead of you? Twin try reading your Master Agreement Vol. 1. Art. VIII Sec. 24B. It clearly says that the Transfer of Ops language SHALL apply to a plant that is closing or continuing on a REDUCED EMPLOYMENT basis. It shall NOT APPLY to partial transfers of ops. incident to adjustments in production schedules or CHANGES IN THE PRODUCTS AT ANY LOCATION. Reduced Employment you WILL NOT have, but a change in product you will. So you tell me. What is the intent of that language and what does it say? What you think should happen is...while you're working a full time job, with the security of new product announced, you should be able to transfer just because. While others out here, some with as much as 20yrs seniority, should sit out in the street while they run out of Sub & TAP and should be told to get in line behind you because you don't want the job you've got you want to cherry pick where you live. And on top of that, they should be made to wait another 2 years with NO manner of income to provide for their families while they wait on KCAP's retool to be complete to take a job you didn't want to start with? How Union of you Twin. Screw Brothers and Sisters with NO job cause you want to get back to living 6 hours away from where you originally came. I contend that you're dead wrong on what the language says, if you've even read it. And that ANY effort by either KCAPs local Union or the International to give you guys transfer of ops opportunities is purely political with NO foundation in the contract. Are your 2 hours a month somehow better than mine? The International MUST follow the letter of the Agreement and follow the Hierarchy of placement. 1. In Plant laid off / RTBU., 2. In Zone L.O. 3. Out of Zone Laid Off and 4. ACH locations. TRANSFER of OPERATIONS DOES NOT APPLY in this circumstance. And for the record, in 2006 I put KCAP as my one and ONLY Flowback choice. So No it has nothing to do with where I'd rather work, just that I'd rather keep working. Edited April 28, 2011 by WalterWeeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn4 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Try reading your Master Agreement. Art. VIII Sec. 24 (B). It clearly says that the Transfer of Ops language shall apply to a plant that is closing or continuing on a REDUCED EMPLOYMENT basis. It shall NOT APPLY to partial transfers of ops. incident to adjustments in production schedules or CHANGES IN THE PRODUCTS AT ANY LOCATION. Well technically the plant will be continuing on reduced employment basis, for up to a year. I think you are misinterpreting the transfer of operations agreement. LAP people had the opportunity to transfer to CAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Well technically the plant will be continuing on reduced employment basis, for up to a year. I think you are misinterpreting the transfer of operations agreement. LAP people had the opportunity to transfer to CAP. LAP people had the opportunity to transfer because there were 600 jobs that went unfilled and they were out of SUB( ie. Laid Off). All but a handful reserved their RTBU rights and are now headed back. Please tell me how to interpret what it says if it doesn't mean what I said. Change in product with no reduced employment means transfer of ops SHALL NOT APPLY. Edited April 28, 2011 by WalterWeeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn4 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 LAP people had the opportunity to transfer because there were 600 jobs that went unfilled and they were out of SUB( ie. Laid Off). All but a handful reserved their RTBU rights and are now headed back. Please tell me how to interpret what it says if it doesn't mean what I said. Change in product with no reduced employment means transfer of ops SHALL NOT APPLY. Wrong LAP got transfer of operation rights. What don't you get employment will be reduced even if it is temporary, those effected will be on ILO, just like the LAP people are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Harley Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) I think rn4 has it pretty much covered. What is taking place at KCAP obviously meets the requirements of the agreement or it wouldn't happen. Edited April 28, 2011 by Twincam Harley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I think rn4 has it pretty much covered. What is taking place at KCAP obviously meets the requirements of the agreement or it wouldn't happen. Oh, so you guys have already received the Transfer of Ops postings? I guess you're right. It only makes good business sense to move you for $30K and then me to replace you for $30K. When all they had to do was offer to fill the original spots the first time with Laid Off folks. $60K to fill one spot? Looks like them LAP postings are gonna end up being a mighty expensive endeavor for the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Harley Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Oh, so you guys have already received the Transfer of Ops postings? I guess you're right. It only makes good business sense to move you for $30K and then me to replace you for $30K. When all they had to do was offer to fill the original spots the first time with Laid Off folks. $60K to fill one spot? Looks like them LAP postings are gonna end up being a mighty expensive endeavor for the company. Postings coming soon. There's a cost to everything. What's cheapest isn't always what has to be done. Right to follow the product comes before what is least costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWeeps Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Postings coming soon. There's a cost to everything. What's cheapest isn't always what has to be done. Right to follow the product comes before what is least costly. You do realize that if you haven't been at KCAP for at least 36 months or no one is laid off at your plant you can't qualify for the enhanced moving allowance($30K). Since when have you seen this company do what 'HAS TO BE DONE', as you put it, when it will cost double? Wake up you're not rolling in reality Twin! Edited April 28, 2011 by WalterWeeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f150oderus Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 You do realize that if you haven't been at KCAP for at least 36 months or no one is laid off at your plant you can't qualify for the enhanced moving allowance($30K). Since when have you seen this company do what 'HAS TO BE DONE', as you put it, when it will cost double? Wake up you're not rolling in reality Twin! So true and some think there going to double dip by transfering from KCAP to LAP Yes these people can follow there product but will only get a basic moving allowance They will have to give up any money still owed to them from there move to KCAP MOST TRANFEREES HAVE FOUND THAT ENHANCED MOVING ALLOWANCE IS A ONE TIME DEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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