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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/14/158424/republican-leaders-debt-limit-hypocrisy/

 

Lying pieces of cow shit! Pass this along to everyone you know. The information has to get out an expose these reichwing bastards.

 

 

Last time it was raised Obamass voted against it say " raising the debt limit would be a disaster for our economy" So now who's the Lying piece of cowshit!?-----besides you?

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so Obama as a first term Senator voted against it once. Is that some sort of high crime? Compare that to the previous debt limit votes by Republicans

 

111-H.J.Res.45 – (the current bill) 0

111-H.R.4314 – (2009) 1

111-H.R.1 – (2009) 2

110-H.R.1424 – (2008) 33

110-H.R.3221 – (2008) 34

110-H.J.Res.43 – (2007) 26

109-H.J.Res.47 – (2006) 51

108-S.2986 – (2004) 50

108-H.J.Res.51 – (2003) 50

107-S.2578 – (2002) 31

105-H.R.2015 – (1997) 55 Republicans vote in favor

 

So we have Obama voting against it once, abstaining twice and voting for it once.

 

Compare that with the Republican votes since Obama was re-elected.

 

Which one has established the greater level of hypocrisy? Not Obama.

 

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Do you ever tire of making excuses for that moron?....that all you ever do on here....

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Do you ever tire of making excuses for that moron?....that all you ever do on here....

 

 

No, never!

 

One yes and one no vote.

That means he was either right then and wrong now or wrong now and right then.

The two non-votes, (no surprise).With his voting record it shows he did not know then or now which direction to go.

 

That is when he decides to vote

 

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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/14/158424/republican-leaders-debt-limit-hypocrisy/

 

The information has to get out an expose these reichwing bastards.

Are you implying that "right wing" is synonymous with Nazi? The only ones that the Nazis were to the right of were the Communists, and just slightly. The real right wing is way over on the other side of the spectrum. Voting to-day in the U.S. is not much different than "voting" in the former USSR. The massive socialist infrastructure is going to remain intact, no matter how you vote. Little is going to change until the Great Collapse.

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Do you ever get tired of making excuses for the republican hypocrites.

 

Well rn, since you only crawl out of your hole once in a while, and since you never actually think for yourself, let me help you out with something, so that the next time you decide to show up, you won't embarrass yourself.

 

We have never defended the Republicans on their own

 

We have never defend George W. Bush on his own

 

We have never defended Fox News on their own

 

What we have done, in every oppourtunity we have been given, is show that in every attempt your ilk has made to paint Republicans / Bush / Fox in a certain way, we provide facts that show the Democrats / Obama / the Main Stream Media have done the exact same thing.

 

The sooner you people realize that the every single MSM outlet has an agenda, and that every single Politician only cares about your vote, and not doing what's best for you, then you will all be better off. As well, the sooner you realize today and tomorrow are far more important than yesterday was, the sooner you can start being apart of the solution, and not continue to be apart of the problem.

 

It is an absolute joke that you people cry about what you perceive the Republicans are doing, or what you claim they have done, yet say nothing when the Democrats do the exact same thing,

 

Guess what, if the Republicans are in power, the Republicans will vote in favour of something, while the Democrats vote against it. And the same thing will happen when the roles are reversed.

 

Stop being such a pawn, and start thinking for yourself.

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Well rn, since you only crawl out of your hole once in a while, and since you never actually think for yourself, let me help you out with something, so that the next time you decide to show up, you won't embarrass yourself.We have never defended the Republicans on their ownWe have never defend George W. Bush on his ownWe have never defended Fox News on their ownWhat we have done, in every oppourtunity we have been given, is show that in every attempt your ilk has made to paint Republicans / Bush / Fox in a certain way, we provide facts that show the Democrats / Obama / the Main Stream Media have done the exact same thing.The sooner you people realize that the every single MSM outlet has an agenda, and that every single Politician only cares about your vote, and not doing what's best for you, then you will all be better off. As well, the sooner you realize today and tomorrow are far more important than yesterday was, the sooner you can start being apart of the solution, and not continue to be apart of the problem.It is an absolute joke that you people cry about what you perceive the Republicans are doing, or what you claim they have done, yet say nothing when the Democrats do the exact same thingGuess what, if the Republicans are in power, the Republicans will vote in favour of something, while the Democrats vote against it. And the same thing will happen when the roles are reversed.Stop being such a pawn, and start thinking for yourself.

 

 

Who is the WE above?

 

You and the other SCABS?

 

Too bad we have to put up with SCABS here......He accused the union of causing workers deaths (yes he did that ..on this board) without knowing anything about what happened.

 

This knee jerk anti union attitude makes him a SCAB.

 

Fortunately he will be gone soon ...as he stated on this board he will take a buyout and go to school in the fall so he will not be active or retired employee and will therefore not be allowed to post here.

 

Of course, like most SCABS, he intends to cross the line and post here.

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Who is the WE above?

 

I guess since you don't research yourself, and only do what others tell you, let me help you. Look around, you'll see Nap, Fired, Trim, Tango, etc

 

You and the other SCABS?

 

Is that really all you have? By your own definition, you are a SCAB. As well to admitting you are a coward, a traitor and a deserter.

 

Too bad we have to put up with SCABS here......He accused the union of causing workers deaths (yes he did that ..on this board) without knowing anything about what happened.

 

Why do you continue to lie?

 

Here is what I said

 

Please, for the love of God, get your facts straight. I said that in my time in an automotive plant, that when accidents or near misses happen, it has always been the fault of the people involved. You say I am bad because you claim that I blamed the union for this accident, yet you blame the company for it. What is the difference? Why is it wrong in your opinion that I blame someone, but perfectly ok for you to blame some else. You know less about what happened than what I do. How is your logic sound, but the logic you claim I have is wrong? Don't worry, we all know you are too stupid to actually answer that question.

 

The real difference is, I blamed the person responsible. You are looking to play the victimism card, and want to blame others. Go point a loaded gun to the side of your head and pull the trigger, so that we can blame the company who made the gun responsible for your death, not the idiot how didn't practice gun safety.

 

Just more lies and distortion for the idiot

 

This knee jerk anti union attitude makes him a SCAB.

 

So again, you are describing yourself as a SCAB because you blamed someone without knowing the facts. Remember Aces, I worked in a Ford plant when this incident happened, you didn't. I know far more than what you do.

 

Fortunately he will be gone soon ...as he stated on this board he will take a buyout and go to school in the fall so he will not be active or retired employee and will therefore not be allowed to post here.

 

LIke I've said before, I have earned my paycheck from Ford, paid my Union dues every month, and will be receiving my pension when I leave. I have every right to be here, and will continue to be here until I choose not to be.

 

Just like you choose not to provide any proof that you actually worked at STAP. I say until you do, you should not be allowed to post here.

 

Come on Aces, show us some proof. 37 years in a plant, you should know something, or someone that can prove it.

 

No? Yeah, we're not surprised.

 

Of course, like most SCABS, he intends to cross the line and post here.

 

For a guy who deserted his home country and hid out in Canada for his entire life, it's quite ironic that you have the nerve to call someone else a "SCAB". Maybe you should go down to your local veteran's hall, and tell them about why you moved to Canada.

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I guess since you don't research yourself, and only do what others tell you, let me help you. Look around, you'll see Nap, Fired, Trim, Tango, etc

 

 

So they are SCABS too ...I don't think so....I have not seen them attack the union or their co-workers....they are conservatives..... and while all scabs are conservatives ...not all conservatives are scabs.

 

But we will ask them......Do you stick together with this SCAB?

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So they are SCABS too ...I don't think so....I have not seen them attack the union or their co-workers....they are conservatives..... and while all scabs are conservatives ...not all conservatives are scabs.

 

But we will ask them......Do you stick together with this SCAB?

 

So despite the fact that you never answer anyone's questions, or make your own commentary on what you post, you now expect others to do what you ask?

 

Good luck with that.

 

Tell you what, why don't you give us a list of names of your former so workers at STAP, so we can ask them what they think of you?

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So despite the fact that you never answer anyone's questions, or make your own commentary on what you post, you now expect others to do what you ask?

 

Good luck with that.

 

Tell you what, why don't you give us a list of names of your former so workers at STAP, so we can ask them what they think of you?

 

Co---your efforts to have a logical discussion with him are pointless, the guy is nuts---do yourself a favor and give his posts the attention they deserve---none!

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While I agree it was just a matter of time, my belief behind the reasoning is a tad different.

 

Accidents are just a matter of time. Not faulting the company, it's the drivers forsaking safety in the name of having longer breaks and being able to go home earlier.

 

 

That's an interesting comment, considering in my time within an Automotive plant, the union always said they were the ones who made the decisions. And any time something got changed, the union had to agree to it first.

 

 

 

I guess you and I have different work ethics. Having said that, you're up at OAC, so I guess if the shoe fits....

 

(thanks for screwing us on the last contract too)

 

The worst phrase I hear at work; "Good enough".

 

 

 

And here I thought we had to sit through those courses in order to create work for the appointed union members who need something to do to keep them off the floor and away from actually work.

 

 

 

Again, the union sticks their nose in everything. Any time I've seen an attempt to fix safety (especially with the unloading of rail cars), the union is quick to jump in and fight or the workers right to go home early

 

 

Cocheese says....

 

 

 

 

Does anyone else see a pattern here?

 

 

It shouldn't be difficult.

 

The union is absolutely useless.

 

Something good happens, the union takes credit. Something bad happens, the union blames someone else.

 

I will say it again, the union is useless.

 

 

Nice try. 10 years of having Dues taken from me. Good thing is, only one more to go. So the good news is, I will no longer have to pay them. The bad news is, because of the CAW's actions, Ford will no longer pay me.

 

 

 

What the union was, is no longer what it is now. The age you claim your source to be proves he is out of touch with what is happening inside the plants.

 

I agree there was a need for a union type organization in the past. But those days have changed, and so has what the union stands for.

 

I for one look forward to the next stage of my life. And coming off my experience with the CAW, you can be sure I will hope like hell to end up somewhere where my cheque isn't ravaged every month by a useless organization like the CAW. I can't wait until my work ethic gets me the promotion, not my seniority

 

 

History shows your complaint is consistent with a suck-up

 

You are of the group of people who by pass overtime opportunities, make up jobs only you can do, and do extra favours for the boss to get you special privileges’.

 

Like it or not your union probably has a problem from your “unbecoming of a union member” actions.

 

This why you are anti union because seniority and the CAW stood in the way of your sucking-up.

 

Good luck in your new $7.50 per hour non union job.

 

Do any of these describe your actions?

• apple polishing

• ass kissing

• ass licking

• bootlicker

• brown nosing

• crawler

• fawning

• flunky

• groveling

• hanger-on

• kowtowing

• lackey

• lickspittle

• sucking up

• toady

• yes man

 

 

Not to worry, I've read plenty of what you have posted here, and you were somebody I'm glad I haven't run across. But the reality is, with the tone of your posts, it would be hard to bump into since you spend most of your time AWOL or on S&A

 

Enjoy the rude awakening you will get when you have to enter the real world. I earned good money before I started at STAP, I will earn good money after I leave.

 

Hard work and good ethics prevents the need for workers to have a union.

 

 

History shows your complaint is consistent with a screw-up

 

You are of the group of people who will keep the line down, or create problems in order to secure overtime, refuse to do jobs that are "too difficult", and do extra favours for the union to get you special privileges’.

 

Like it or not your union probably has created a problem for you with your total disconnect to the real world

 

This why you are pro union, because seniority and the CAW is the only thing that has enabled you to do anything other than a new hire job. You have never once earned anything in the plant, but instead used your "seniority" as a way to get better jobs.

 

Good luck when your union sells you out and you are stuck without a job, since no one in their right mind will hire someone with your attitude

 

Do any of these describe your actions?

• dog fucking

• screwing up

• visiting medical

• filling out S&A forms

• providing doctor's notes to explain where you have been the last week

• getting restrictions

• union sucking up

• job refusal

• sending repairs

• complaining how much work you have to do

• being told by your committeeman what to think

• useless

• AWOL

 

 

 

 

Here are some of the SCABS posts on the death of a sister in the Ford Bramalea parts warehouse.

 

Judge him for yourself...I have agreed that he is a SCAB.

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Here are some of the SCABS posts on the death of a sister in the Ford Bramalea parts warehouse.

 

Judge him for yourself...I have agreed that he is a SCAB.

 

Wow, I never knew you had such a crush on me. Thanks, but I prefer the opposite sex. Plus I find intelligence attractive, so I have no interest in pursuing something with you.

 

Thanks for playing though

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Nice try. 10 years of having Dues taken from me. Good thing is, only one more to go. So the good news is, I will no longer have to pay them. The bad news is, because of the CAW's actions, Ford will no longer pay me.

 

 

 

What the union was, is no longer what it is now. The age you claim your source to be proves he is out of touch with what is happening inside the plants.

 

I agree there was a need for a union type organization in the past. But those days have changed, and so has what the union stands for.

 

I for one look forward to the next stage of my life. And coming off my experience with the CAW, you can be sure I will hope like hell to end up somewhere where my cheque isn't ravaged every month by a useless organization like the CAW. I can't wait until my work ethic gets me the promotion, not my seniority

 

 

History shows your complaint is consistent with a suck-up

 

You are of the group of people who by pass overtime opportunities, make up jobs only you can do, and do extra favours for the boss to get you special privileges’.

 

Like it or not your union probably has a problem from your “unbecoming of a union member” actions.

 

This why you are anti union because seniority and the CAW stood in the way of your sucking-up.

 

Good luck in your new $7.50 per hour non union job.

 

Do any of these describe your actions?

• apple polishing

• ass kissing

• ass licking

• bootlicker

• brown nosing

• crawler

• fawning

• flunky

• groveling

• hanger-on

• kowtowing

• lackey

• lickspittle

• sucking up

• toady

• yes man

 

 

It's a shame that a thread involving the death of two coworkers (union brothers or not) has devolved into whining and namecalling.

 

 

You know cheese, if you were as brilliant as you would like us to believe (and yes we all believe!) you would step out and start your own business and not depend on someone else taking care of you. Wait a minute that sounds like the rest of us!

 

 

There is one word to describe scum like this Cheese guy.

 

He is a SCAB.

 

Too bad he is polluting this thread about two brothers that were killed at work.

 

 

WELL SAID. I too feel for the departed Brothers.

 

 

I'm sure 99.9% of us feel the same way.Are there no moderators on this board?This pitiful Cheese scab pr%ck should get the boot.

 

 

Ah yes, don't like the message, so ban the member.

 

Can't win a debate, don't allow the other side to speak

 

That my friend, is the cowardly way out

 

 

 

Unfortunately, that is the only thing people the mentality of people like Framer, can do

 

 

 

Actually, it's called being a honest, hard working, valuable employee.

 

There are plenty of words to describe you however.

 

I do feel bad that two people from the Ford Family died. But the responsibility does not fall solely at the feet of Ford.

 

 

 

 

Already started the process. Tired of seeing my hard earned money taken from me every week, and watching the entity that takes it piss it away

 

 

Rail against the union all you want but creat another thread to do it NOT THIS ONE

 

 

Two people have passed away and people resort to stone throwing.

I can only speak of our Sister from Bramalea, a wonderful woman who left 2 young children behind.

We all have the responsability to work safely so we can rejoin our families at the end of our shift.

 

 

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Look Co-the SCAB-cheese has a new identity

 

 

Happy is? Hmmmmm.

 

Well ACES, I am retired from Ford. I am under the impression you are too after 57yrs of service, lol.

 

Anyway, I also hear you are back in the States? Did you come back to join the PC police? SNIFF-SNIFF...........you haven't paid your fair share.........you used more gasoline than you were allotted by me today.

 

It is a good thing we are both retired, because I would have to actively try and get the members to leave the dumbocrats since you are posting all of this crap. But since you are just a dumb old guy like me, I will allow the YOUNG members to figure it out for themselves. I am sure it won't be long before they throw guys like you to the wayside, lol.

 

We are dinasaurs ACES. The only difference between you and I is------------>your liberal bloodline will become extinct soon. Don't worry about a thing------->I will insure that a TAXASAURUS REX is forever kept in many a museum-) His body will be non-descript, but all the faces will have Mr Obamas likeness attached to it.........unless you want to offer your own! We will attach that in Nevada next to the Harry Reid likeness-)

 

You should be honored to be such a big PITA. A PITA that everyone laughs at, but a PITA just the same.

 

We are going to bwe fast friends ACES, you and I.......along with a little TJCdaddy or whatever his moniker is. You see, as it gets closer to November of 2012, and all the signs point further/further/and even further towards your liberal collapse, I am going to be here reminding you of it-) You will be repaid in ACES for your incessant links and pain in the ass liberal dogma. (Whosure has a sense of humor, and hopes ACES does too cause it is going to make you look like BOZO, so at least entertain the children)

 

Now then---------->I never ever bet on anything unless I know I am going to win, or unless the odds are astronomically in my favor. Therefore Mr LIBERAL SUPERSTAR ACES, I want to know if you would like to bet on the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election. Lets say a nice, big, steak dinner for 2 at a national steakhouse. I am absolutely positive we can find somewhere to tender our bet, and this will give those who read these forums something to look forward to. Put your money where your links......errr I mean your mouth is-) We are both retired autoworkers, and eventhough your retirement income is surely much higher than mine after 57 years, I will reach deep in my broke pocket, and produce the money for the bet. Hey, why don't you bring Mr Daddy too-) On your nickel of course, cause I am gonna win.

 

So there you go, I have publicly asked you to put up, or shut up-) I have also managed to find someone to hold the bet. Sooooooooo, instead of links, it is time to bet on YOUR guys, and show you have confidence in communi....errr I mean socialis..............errr I mean, the Obamanators way of thinking, and the fact that America believes his idiocy enough to put him in for another term.

 

What do you say ACES? Or rather, are you gonna run for the hills-)

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Happy is? Hmmmmm.

 

Well ACES, I am retired from Ford. I am under the impression you are too after 57yrs of service, lol.

 

Anyway, I also hear you are back in the States? Did you come back to join the PC police? SNIFF-SNIFF...........you haven't paid your fair share.........you used more gasoline than you were allotted by me today.

 

It is a good thing we are both retired, because I would have to actively try and get the members to leave the dumbocrats since you are posting all of this crap. But since you are just a dumb old guy like me, I will allow the YOUNG members to figure it out for themselves. I am sure it won't be long before they throw guys like you to the wayside, lol.

 

We are dinasaurs ACES. The only difference between you and I is------------>your liberal bloodline will become extinct soon. Don't worry about a thing------->I will insure that a TAXASAURUS REX is forever kept in many a museum-) His body will be non-descript, but all the faces will have Mr Obamas likeness attached to it.........unless you want to offer your own! We will attach that in Nevada next to the Harry Reid likeness-)

 

You should be honored to be such a big PITA. A PITA that everyone laughs at, but a PITA just the same.

 

We are going to bwe fast friends ACES, you and I.......along with a little TJCdaddy or whatever his moniker is. You see, as it gets closer to November of 2012, and all the signs point further/further/and even further towards your liberal collapse, I am going to be here reminding you of it-) You will be repaid in ACES for your incessant links and pain in the ass liberal dogma. (Whosure has a sense of humor, and hopes ACES does too cause it is going to make you look like BOZO, so at least entertain the children)

 

Now then---------->I never ever bet on anything unless I know I am going to win, or unless the odds are astronomically in my favor. Therefore Mr LIBERAL SUPERSTAR ACES, I want to know if you would like to bet on the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election. Lets say a nice, big, steak dinner for 2 at a national steakhouse. I am absolutely positive we can find somewhere to tender our bet, and this will give those who read these forums something to look forward to. Put your money where your links......errr I mean your mouth is-) We are both retired autoworkers, and eventhough your retirement income is surely much higher than mine after 57 years, I will reach deep in my broke pocket, and produce the money for the bet. Hey, why don't you bring Mr Daddy too-) On your nickel of course, cause I am gonna win.

 

So there you go, I have publicly asked you to put up, or shut up-) I have also managed to find someone to hold the bet. Sooooooooo, instead of links, it is time to bet on YOUR guys, and show you have confidence in communi....errr I mean socialis..............errr I mean, the Obamanators way of thinking, and the fact that America believes his idiocy enough to put him in for another term.

 

What do you say ACES? Or rather, are you gonna run for the hills-)

 

 

Its because of guys like youself that gives unions a bad name. You work all your life and didnt save a dime and now you want the company and the union to continue giving you handouts! The UAW need to be more concern with their current employees. Take care of the current employees and give the scrapes to the retirees.. You guys had your chance and you blew it! Now let the younger workers have a chance at it. You have no rights! The Rights belongs to the current employees....

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Look Co-the SCAB-cheese has a new identity

 

Actually, FiredMotorCompany is my alternative ID. I'm surprised you had yet to figure it out.

 

Kind of ironic that you accuse others of having multiple ID's, when you have yet to provide any information that can prove yours.

 

Aces, until you offer up some sort of concrete evidence that you worked at STAP, then I would suggest you refrain from making accusations about others.

 

BTW, in case you haven't figured out, the people you think work at STAP and have PM'd to ask for STAP information, are not going to help you. Stop wasting their time.

 

 

But speaking of helping Aces......

 

Its because of guys like youself that gives unions a bad name. You work all your life and didnt save a dime and now you want the company and the union to continue giving you handouts! The UAW need to be more concern with their current employees. Take care of the current employees and give the scrapes to the retirees.. You guys had your chance and you blew it! Now let the younger workers have a chance at it. You have no rights! The Rights belongs to the current employees....

 

Here you go Aces. How's this for union solidarity. This "brother" doesn't care about you, and believes the union shouldn't either. He only cares for himself, and would gladly toss you under the bus. Wouldn't that make him a "SCAB"?

 

 

Its because of guys like youself that gives unions a bad name. You work all your life and didnt save a dime and now you want the company and the union to continue giving you handouts!

 

Well, it did work for GM and Chrysler. Why is it you are against the retires getting "handouts" at the expense of the current work force, but had no problem when Obama gave "handouts" to Ford's competitors at the expense of the American taxpayers?

 

 

The UAW need to be more concern with their current employees. Take care of the current employees and give the scrapes to the retirees.. You guys had your chance and you blew it! Now let the younger workers have a chance at it. You have no rights! The Rights belongs to the current employees....

 

With two tier labour, and contract workers, it won't be long before they say the same thing about you. Be careful what you wish for son, you might just get it.

 

Solidarity forever. Right Aces?

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Actually, FiredMotorCompany is my alternative ID. I'm surprised you had yet to figure it out.Kind of ironic that you accuse others of having multiple ID's, when you have yet to provide any information that can prove yours. Aces, until you offer up some sort of concrete evidence that you worked at STAP, then I would suggest you refrain from making accusations about others.BTW, in case you haven't figured out, the people you think work at STAP and have PM'd to ask for STAP information, are not going to help you. Stop wasting their time.But speaking of helping Aces......Here you go Aces. How's this for union solidarity. This "brother" doesn't care about you, and believes the union shouldn't either. He only cares for himself, and would gladly toss you under the bus. Wouldn't that make him a "SCAB"? Well, it did work for GM and Chrysler. Why is it you are against the retires getting "handouts" at the expense of the current work force, but had no problem when Obama gave "handouts" to Ford's competitors at the expense of the American taxpayers?With two tier labour, and contract workers, it won't be long before they say the same thing about you. Be careful what you wish for son, you might just get it.Solidarity forever. Right Aces?

 

 

It is too bad we have to put up with lying SCABS on this board.

 

This scab posts

 

"Cocheese, on 08 June 2010 - 07:28 AM, said:

Nice try. 10 years of having Dues taken from me. Good thing is, only one more to go. So the good news is, I will no longer have to pay them. The bad news is, because of the CAW's actions, Ford will no longer pay me.

 

 

 

What the union was, is no longer what it is now. The age you claim your source to be proves he is out of touch with what is happening inside the plants.

 

I agree there was a need for a union type organization in the past. But those days have changed, and so has what the union stands for.

 

I for one look forward to the next stage of my life. And coming off my experience with the CAW, you can be sure I will hope like hell to end up somewhere where my cheque isn't ravaged every month by a useless organization like the CAW. I can't wait until my work ethic gets me the promotion, not my seniority"

 

 

Yes he spits on union workers...... Well I spit on SCABS like him.

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First off you can't call palin ignorant and then say Obama just miss spoke. Either they both are ignorant or both just made a mistake. I lean towards the former.

I voted for Obama, however I won't make that mistake again. That being said, I think he will be tough to beat. Remember, a large portion of the voting population pays no taxes and love him. It's a share people can't see where this is headed. If it weren't for the conservative anti union stance I think I would jump on board. I kind of understand there anti public union stance, but they always group OS in with the sicu. Two different animals they group together, but it is what it is.

All I know if they don't control spending we are in deep trouble. There is a huge difference between lending a helping hand when needed and flat out sustaining people who won't help themselves.

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