Marantz Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Is the IUAW trying at all to get our give backs back? We stood up in the time of need and gave back what took years to gain. Our raises for ? years Our Cola Our Xmas bonus - What company takes away an employee's XMas? Our Easter Day Off Higher Copays Ya know they changed our profit formula under our noses How many times was our contract opened for give backs in the last 4 yrs? I was driving with my son (12yr) and he asked what was going on, I told him about the contract talks and I told him about the give backs and the changes all UAW emploies have made for the better of the company. My son said. (THEY SHOULD GIVE IT ALL BACK AND A REWARD) I was blown away by how simple his statement was and how much since he made. Why is the IUAW pushing so hard for new hires and not for whats in our best interest. People say we should be happy we have a job. Yes I am grateful and so is my family. Just my thoughts. What did I forget on the give backs???? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Is the IUAW trying at all to get our give backs back? We stood up in the time of need and gave back what took years to gain. Our raises for ? years Our Cola Our Xmas bonus - What company takes away an employee's XMas? Our Easter Day Off Higher Copays Ya know they changed our profit formula under our noses How many times was our contract opened for give backs in the last 4 yrs? I was driving with my son (12yr) and he asked what was going on, I told him about the contract talks and I told him about the give backs and the changes all UAW emploies have made for the better of the company. My son said. (THEY SHOULD GIVE IT ALL BACK AND A REWARD) I was blown away by how simple his statement was and how much since he made. Why is the IUAW pushing so hard for new hires and not for whats in our best interest. People say we should be happy we have a job. Yes I am grateful and so is my family. Just my thoughts. What did I forget on the give backs???? What you forgot, IMO, about the give-backs, is that GM, Ford & Chrysler needed to compete against transplants, who after the last round of give-backs at the Detroit Three, stated that they were no longer going to pay their employees comparably to the Detroit Three, but instead, pay according to "prevailing local manufacturing pay rates", which means even a LOWER pay structure threshold for GM, Ford, & Chrysler to compete against. That's on top of their own version of Tier Two employees, namely the very long term contract/agency employees that got nicknamed "perma temps". The problem with expecting the IUAW to go after returning the givebacks is that it reinforces the negative stereotypes of union members, and the IUAW in particular, and inflame the outspoken passions of customers who do not want to buy a car made by anyone who has better pay and benefits than they, the customers themselves, have. What these a lot of these hourly people complaining about the past give-backs do, is risk chasing customers over to the transplants and imports, and there-by cut off their own noses to spite their faces. There are still people who are so pissed off at how the VEBA's got a share of ownership in the the Detroit Three, in part done as part of GM & Chrysler's bankruptcy process, that they won't even buy a Ford product, including anything Mexican made, because it has IUAW content in it. And they have no problem posting these attitudes, under their real names (as opposed to forum screen names) on web sites like the Wall Street Journal. And these same assholes consider Mullaly a major hero, so they don't want to hear about his annual compensation is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Why is the IUAW pushing so hard for new hires and not for whats in our best interest. People say we should be happy we have a job. Yes I am grateful and so is my family. Just my thoughts. What did I forget on the give backs??? Um,, Maybe the IUAW has the ultimate responsibility to protect our jobs, benefits and pension all while providing our high wages, best benefits of any manufacturing sector and a pension I can collect after 30 years. The IUAW has to protect 40,000 jobs. They have to walk a tight rope and balance our great wages without losing jobs They have steered us well over the ravaged Bush Economic Meltdown and Im am sure they will ensure a good contract for us They did beat my expectations as well as media expectations in the rich GM agreement. Maybe you can teach your son patience and waiting to see if the Ford agreement will be as good or better than the GM agreement 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Um,, Maybe the IUAW has the ultimate responsibility to protect our jobs, benefits and pension all while providing our high wages, best benefits of any manufacturing sector and a pension I can collect after 30 years. The IUAW has to protect 40,000 jobs. They have to walk a tight rope and balance our great wages without losing jobs They have steered us well over the ravaged Bush Economic Meltdown and Im am sure they will ensure a good contract for us They did beat my expectations as well as media expectations in the rich GM agreement. Maybe you can teach your son patience and waiting to see if the Ford agreement will be as good or better than the GM agreement It's always laughable to me that people really think the union has the power to force Ford Motor Company to invest in jobs in the U.S....if Ford wants to take jobs across seas...they do it. If they want to keep them here they do....but to think that the Union protects our jobs is laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 It's always laughable to me that people really think the union has the power to force Ford Motor Company to invest in jobs in the U.S....if Ford wants to take jobs across seas...they do it. If they want to keep them here they do....but to think that the Union protects our jobs is laughable. Oh how blind you are young one The product commitments from 2007 gave us a windfall of job security. The UAW gets these commitments in writing after losing the Fusion to Mexico in 2006. The IUAW will keep these products in UAW facilities in the CBA. A good strategy. We will see these important commitments in all future agreements. Dont be so naieve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litng1 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 The last three years have been about the worst ever for our economy with unemployment over 9 and we all no its way more than that.All our leaders do to try and fix it is spend more and more money. I think we will do better than GM did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why42 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 What you forgot, IMO, about the give-backs, is that GM, Ford & Chrysler needed to compete against transplants, who after the last round of give-backs at the Detroit Three, stated that they were no longer going to pay their employees comparably to the Detroit Three, but instead, pay according to "prevailing local manufacturing pay rates", which means even a LOWER pay structure threshold for GM, Ford, & Chrysler to compete against. That's on top of their own version of Tier Two employees, namely the very long term contract/agency employees that got nicknamed "perma temps". The problem with expecting the IUAW to go after returning the givebacks is that it reinforces the negative stereotypes of union members, and the IUAW in particular, and inflame the outspoken passions of customers who do not want to buy a car made by anyone who has better pay and benefits than they, the customers themselves, have. What these a lot of these hourly people complaining about the past give-backs do, is risk chasing customers over to the transplants and imports, and there-by cut off their own noses to spite their faces. There are still people who are so pissed off at how the VEBA's got a share of ownership in the the Detroit Three, in part done as part of GM & Chrysler's bankruptcy process, that they won't even buy a Ford product, including anything Mexican made, because it has IUAW content in it. And they have no problem posting these attitudes, under their real names (as opposed to forum screen names) on web sites like the Wall Street Journal. And these same assholes consider Mullaly a major hero, so they don't want to hear about his annual compensation is. You have some good points but I think GM,Chry and Ford did not change with the times per gas price going up . Look back @ the 1970 and 1980 gas went up . Why buy Big 3 auto when import is lower in price and higher in fuel mileage .This was the start of the down fall for the big 3 .I for one had a BIG 3 Auto 11 mpg driving 66miles to and from work per day @ 3.50 a gal =$105 a week just for work . Just like the Big 3 all about money , put the blame on something else Parts,Labor/UAW ,Imports and good old Gov rules. All about MONEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufflebuns Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 The last three years have been about the worst ever for our economy with unemployment over 9 and we all no its way more than that.All our leaders do to try and fix it is spend more and more money. I think we will do better than GM did. I think you are right but, we still got punked and that isn't going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny 99 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Oh how blind you are young one The product commitments from 2007 gave us a windfall of job security. The UAW gets these commitments in writing after losing the Fusion to Mexico in 2006. The IUAW will keep these products in UAW facilities in the CBA. A good strategy. We will see these important commitments in all future agreements. Dont be so naieve That is what happened to my plant from the 2007 contract. We need more product in our plants for our UAW brothers and sisters. That should be the International's #1 priority. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Um,, Maybe the IUAW has the ultimate responsibility to protect our jobs, benefits and pension all while providing our high wages, best benefits of any manufacturing sector and a pension I can collect after 30 years. The IUAW has to protect 40,000 jobs. They have to walk a tight rope and balance our great wages without losing jobs They have steered us well over the ravaged Bush Economic Meltdown and Im am sure they will ensure a good contract for us They did beat my expectations as well as media expectations in the rich GM agreement. Maybe you can teach your son patience and waiting to see if the Ford agreement will be as good or better than the GM agreement Set your expectations low enough and you may never be disappointed. That's Obama's problem, he set expectations too high in campaigning and never reached the lowest of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) Oh how blind you are young one The product commitments from 2007 gave us a windfall of job security. The UAW gets these commitments in writing after losing the Fusion to Mexico in 2006. The IUAW will keep these products in UAW facilities in the CBA. A good strategy. We will see these important commitments in all future agreements. Dont be so naieve Strange. I think there are a few employees who lost an engine to Mexico since the 2007 agreement. But I DO know at least ONE plant that has yet to have their contractually obligatory new product "commitment" fulfilled despite an offer to re-commit in the OctoMods, So where is the value of a commitment and offered re-commitment if they never deliver? The 2007 contract period is now in Over Time and no new product has been announced for that plant. How is that securing jobs? Oh, you got yours so everything is fine. Screw those who got shafted? Edited September 18, 2011 by FiredMotorCompany 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 :shades: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Ray Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Is the IUAW trying at all to get our give backs back? Chuckie right. UAW tring to get give backs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky Ray Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Screw this guy, I want the real Chuckie back.. You are the real Chuckie, Chuckie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) Thank you proactive IUAW Get more products for our job security, more investment = more jobs 2007 Product and Investment Commitments ASSEMBLY Plant Product Auto Alliance Mustang and Mazda 6 continue through current product lifecycle. Substantial investment in Mustang and Mazda 6 during the life of agreement. Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products. Chicago Assembly Taurus, Taurus X and Sable continue through current product lifecycle. 2008 launch of the new Lincoln MKS; continues at Chicago Assembly through the product lifecycle. New product will be allocated during the life of the agreement. All New Explorer Dearborn Truck 2008 calendar year launch of the new F-150 truck replacement product for the current model will be allocated to Dearborn Truck and continue through the product lifecycle. Mark LT will continue through the current product lifecycle. Louisville Explorer, Mountaineer and SportTrac continue through the current product lifecycle. New product allocated to Louisville Assembly during the life of agreement. All new Escape and new facility The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Kansas City Assembly 2008 calendar year launch of the new F-150 truck replacement product for the current model will be allocated to the plant and continue through the product lifecycle. The Escape, Escape Hybrid, Mariner, Mariner Hybrid and Tribute continue through current product lifecycle. New product allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Kentucky Truck Super Duty truck continues through current product lifecycle. Substantial investment will be put into the Super Duty product during the life of this agreement. Expedition Navigator Investment The Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products at Kentucky Truck. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Twin Cities Assembly Ranger production has been extended for one year. No future product has been identified beyond the current product lifecycle. The plant will close in 2011. . Wayne Integrated Stamping and Assembly (MAP) The Focus continues through current product lifecycle. New product will be allocated during the life of the agreement. Focus, Electric Focus, Hybrid Focus, RS Focus The Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products at Wayne Assembly Plant. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Product and Investment Commitments STAMPING Plant Product Buffalo Stamping Products currently allocated will continue through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for 2008 launch of the Flex and an additional future product will be allocated to the plant. Chicago Stamping Products currently allocated will continue through the current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Chicago Assembly will be allocated to the plant. (EXPLORER) Dearborn Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Dearborn Truck plant, including the 2008 new F-150, will be allocated to the plant. Dearborn Diversified Manufacturing Plant Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. The plant will produce F-150 components during the life of the agreement. Dearborn Tool & Die Company to invest $20 million in new 5-axis mills during the term of the agreement. Walton Hills Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Ohio Assembly will be allocated to the plant. Woodhaven Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings associated with new products in multiple assembly plants will be allocated to the plant. CASTING Plant Product Woodhaven Forging 5.4L crankshaft machining continues through product lifecycle. 6.8L crankshaft machining continues through product lifecycle. All new 3.5 and 3.7 forging committed through the agreement TRANSMISSION AND DRIVELINE Plant Product Livonia Transmission 4R75 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6R transmission production continues through product lifecycle. Major investments will be made to expand the 6R transmission capacity during the life of the agreement. Sharonville Transmission 5R110 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6R/6F, 6F Mid Range and FN gear manufacturing will continue through product lifecycle. Next-generation product will be allocated to the plant to replace 5R110 during the life of the agreement. Van Dyke Transmission FN transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6F50 and 6F55 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. The new 6F Mid-Range transmission will launch in 2008 and continue through product lifecycle. HF 35 hybrid investment Sterling Axle Axle production continues to support the following vehicles, through the product lifecycle: - Mustang, - F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, - Econoline, - Navigator, - Explorer, - Expedition EL, - Navigator L, - Mountaineer, - Sport Trac, - Mercury Crown, Victoria, Grand Marquis, - Ranger. Tubes, gears and paint continue as stated in COA. Production of new "11.x" axle will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The UAW and Ford agree to work together to identify potential future work opportuni- ties for the plant. ENGINE Plant Product Dearborn Engine and Fuel Tank 2.0L / 2.3L I4 engine production (non VCT) continues through the product lifecycle. Fuel tank production will be discontinued by 2010. A substantial investment and a new product based on the current engine architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. DCI Cleveland Engine 1 Launch D35 in 2008 and continue production through product lifecycle. New product based on cur rent engi ne architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The plant will receive an additional increment of D35 engine capacity during the life of the agreement. Cleveland Engine 2 Duratec 30 engine production continues through product lifecycle. Duratec 30 engine receives an engineering upgrade in 2008. UAW and Ford agree to work together to identify potential future work opportunities. Lima Engine D35 engine production continues through product lifecycle. New product based on current engi ne architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. Romeo Engine 4.6L and 5.4L engine production will continue through product lifecycle. A new engine program will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. 6.2 Litre Edited September 19, 2011 by Grim Reaper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Operator Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Thank you proactive IUAW Get more products for our job security, more investment = more jobs 2007 Product and Investment Commitments ASSEMBLY Plant Product Auto Alliance Mustang and Mazda 6 continue through current product lifecycle. Substantial investment in Mustang and Mazda 6 during the life of agreement. Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products. Chicago Assembly Taurus, Taurus X and Sable continue through current product lifecycle. 2008 launch of the new Lincoln MKS; continues at Chicago Assembly through the product lifecycle. New product will be allocated during the life of the agreement. All New Explorer Dearborn Truck 2008 calendar year launch of the new F-150 truck replacement product for the current model will be allocated to Dearborn Truck and continue through the product lifecycle. Mark LT will continue through the current product lifecycle. Louisville Explorer, Mountaineer and SportTrac continue through the current product lifecycle. New product allocated to Louisville Assembly during the life of agreement. All new Escape and new facility The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Kansas City Assembly 2008 calendar year launch of the new F-150 truck replacement product for the current model will be allocated to the plant and continue through the product lifecycle. The Escape, Escape Hybrid, Mariner, Mariner Hybrid and Tribute continue through current product lifecycle. New product allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Kentucky Truck Super Duty truck continues through current product lifecycle. Substantial investment will be put into the Super Duty product during the life of this agreement. Expedition Navigator Investment The Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products at Kentucky Truck. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Twin Cities Assembly Ranger production has been extended for one year. No future product has been identified beyond the current product lifecycle. The plant will close in 2011. . Wayne Integrated Stamping and Assembly (MAP) The Focus continues through current product lifecycle. New product will be allocated during the life of the agreement. Focus, Electric Focus, Hybrid Focus, RS Focus The Integrated Stamping Operations will get major new stampings associated with new assembly products at Wayne Assembly Plant. The plant will receive a new, flexible body shop. Product and Investment Commitments STAMPING Plant Product Buffalo Stamping Products currently allocated will continue through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for 2008 launch of the Flex and an additional future product will be allocated to the plant. Chicago Stamping Products currently allocated will continue through the current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Chicago Assembly will be allocated to the plant. (EXPLORER) Dearborn Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Dearborn Truck plant, including the 2008 new F-150, will be allocated to the plant. Dearborn Diversified Manufacturing Plant Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. The plant will produce F-150 components during the life of the agreement. Dearborn Tool & Die Company to invest $20 million in new 5-axis mills during the term of the agreement. Walton Hills Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings for new product for Ohio Assembly will be allocated to the plant. Woodhaven Stamping Products currently allocated will be produced through current vehicle program lifecycle. Major stampings associated with new products in multiple assembly plants will be allocated to the plant. CASTING Plant Product Woodhaven Forging 5.4L crankshaft machining continues through product lifecycle. 6.8L crankshaft machining continues through product lifecycle. All new 3.5 and 3.7 forging committed through the agreement TRANSMISSION AND DRIVELINE Plant Product Livonia Transmission 4R75 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6R transmission production continues through product lifecycle. Major investments will be made to expand the 6R transmission capacity during the life of the agreement. Sharonville Transmission 5R110 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6R/6F, 6F Mid Range and FN gear manufacturing will continue through product lifecycle. Next-generation product will be allocated to the plant to replace 5R110 during the life of the agreement. Van Dyke Transmission FN transmission production continues through product lifecycle. 6F50 and 6F55 transmission production continues through product lifecycle. The new 6F Mid-Range transmission will launch in 2008 and continue through product lifecycle. HF 35 hybrid investment Sterling Axle Axle production continues to support the following vehicles, through the product lifecycle: - Mustang, - F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, - Econoline, - Navigator, - Explorer, - Expedition EL, - Navigator L, - Mountaineer, - Sport Trac, - Mercury Crown, Victoria, Grand Marquis, - Ranger. Tubes, gears and paint continue as stated in COA. Production of new "11.x" axle will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The UAW and Ford agree to work together to identify potential future work opportuni- ties for the plant. ENGINE Plant Product Dearborn Engine and Fuel Tank 2.0L / 2.3L I4 engine production (non VCT) continues through the product lifecycle. Fuel tank production will be discontinued by 2010. A substantial investment and a new product based on the current engine architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. DCI Cleveland Engine 1 Launch D35 in 2008 and continue production through product lifecycle. New product based on cur rent engi ne architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. The plant will receive an additional increment of D35 engine capacity during the life of the agreement. Cleveland Engine 2 Duratec 30 engine production continues through product lifecycle. Duratec 30 engine receives an engineering upgrade in 2008. UAW and Ford agree to work together to identify potential future work opportunities. Lima Engine D35 engine production continues through product lifecycle. New product based on current engi ne architecture will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. Romeo Engine 4.6L and 5.4L engine production will continue through product lifecycle. A new engine program will be allocated to the plant during the life of the agreement. 6.2 Litre That is a great list! I am going to print this out and keep it with me in the plant. Thanx! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEX4398 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Smooth, impressive list. What about Ypsi Milan Saline Sheldon Road Sharonville Batavia Maumee Michigan Truck Wixom plus any plant that has lost shifts or products I am sure i am missing some others, that my union brothers can remember for me. I can tell you that the people at these plants did everything they could to keep them open as far COA's flexible work rules and modified work schedules. Ford closed them after all that. They will move product where and when they want. We need to stand together to hold them accountable for what we have given up, ask the people from these plants. We have given enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilled1 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Um,, Maybe the IUAW has the ultimate responsibility to protect our jobs, benefits and pension all while providing our high wages, best benefits of any manufacturing sector and a pension I can collect after 30 years. The IUAW has to protect 40,000 jobs. They have to walk a tight rope and balance our great wages without losing jobs They have steered us well over the ravaged Bush Economic Meltdown and Im am sure they will ensure a good contract for us They did beat my expectations as well as media expectations in the rich GM agreement. Maybe you can teach your son patience and waiting to see if the Ford agreement will be as good or better than the GM agreement As contract details are leaking it looks like the IUAW got a hell of an agreement. They actually bargained 2 vehicles to return to UAW plants originally slated to be built outside of the US. The closed Spring Hill plant as well as a southern plant will be reopened creating job security for GM workers. Rejoice !!!! Jobs, Products, Investments We need them. My Skilled brethren need jobs. Skilled back to Skilled Fantastic job UAW :hyper: Edited September 20, 2011 by Skilled1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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