Biker16 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 REPORT: Toyota considering GM linkup Toyota Motor Corp. is considering making a bid to link with General Motors, according to a report in BusinessWeek magazine. The move would be aimed at trumping a proposed alliance between GM and Renault-Nissan. The magazine reported Saturday that Toyota "is considering its options and looking at different opportunities that they could propose to GM." It said Toyota executives have "war gamed" possible scenarios by which it could help GM with its turnaround. BusinessWeek quoted an unnamed Toyota executive who said, "Toyota has no interest in seeing an alliance like this [involving Renault, Nissan and GM] take place." GM CEO Rick Wagoner and Renault-Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn met Friday night in Detroit. The companies later issued a joint statement saying they will take about 90 days to explore potential benefits of a tie-up. Wagoner hinted to Automotive News last week that deals with other automakers besides Renault-Nissan are possible. "Could other things arise?" he said. "Sure, they could happen any time, but nothing else I can talk to you about today." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 REPORT: Toyota considering GM linkup Toyota Motor Corp. is considering making a bid to link with General Motors, according to a report in BusinessWeek magazine. The move would be aimed at trumping a proposed alliance between GM and Renault-Nissan. The magazine reported Saturday that Toyota "is considering its options and looking at different opportunities that they could propose to GM." It said Toyota executives have "war gamed" possible scenarios by which it could help GM with its turnaround. BusinessWeek quoted an unnamed Toyota executive who said, "Toyota has no interest in seeing an alliance like this [involving Renault, Nissan and GM] take place." GM CEO Rick Wagoner and Renault-Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn met Friday night in Detroit. The companies later issued a joint statement saying they will take about 90 days to explore potential benefits of a tie-up. Wagoner hinted to Automotive News last week that deals with other automakers besides Renault-Nissan are possible. "Could other things arise?" he said. "Sure, they could happen any time, but nothing else I can talk to you about today." Toy knows that GM is a sleeping giant of sorts, they need to block anything that could lead to its resurgance. Help its turnaround is a code word for "kill its cars and take its trucks" REPORT: Toyota considering GM linkup Toyota Motor Corp. is considering making a bid to link with General Motors, according to a report in BusinessWeek magazine. The move would be aimed at trumping a proposed alliance between GM and Renault-Nissan. The magazine reported Saturday that Toyota "is considering its options and looking at different opportunities that they could propose to GM." It said Toyota executives have "war gamed" possible scenarios by which it could help GM with its turnaround. BusinessWeek quoted an unnamed Toyota executive who said, "Toyota has no interest in seeing an alliance like this [involving Renault, Nissan and GM] take place." GM CEO Rick Wagoner and Renault-Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn met Friday night in Detroit. The companies later issued a joint statement saying they will take about 90 days to explore potential benefits of a tie-up. Wagoner hinted to Automotive News last week that deals with other automakers besides Renault-Nissan are possible. "Could other things arise?" he said. "Sure, they could happen any time, but nothing else I can talk to you about today." Toy knows that GM is a sleeping giant of sorts, they need to block anything that could lead to its resurgance. Help its turnaround is a code word for "kill its cars and take its trucks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford-boy Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Oh, my god! What is the world coming to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Speculation is fun, especially with the Chinese coming. When they do bring their cars over here, its not going to be a long time before one big pie chart is going to be divided two dozen ways, instead of just one dozen ways today. Speculation was a major factor of the great depression, along with, get this, INTEREST ONLY HOME LOANS!!! The roaring 20's gaveway to what was arguably THE worst period in US history, so far... By speculation, there was such a thing as "unlicensed" stock brokers back then, there was no SEC, no oversight boards, nothing. People could claim to be an "expert" at the stock market and give all the advice they wanted, without repercusssion. On the internet now, ANYONE can be an "expert" at the stock market, and with that the willing sheeple blindly follow them over the cliff. The SEC has little oversight on the internet, as these people don't claim to be stock brokers, they just post little comments on a forum just like this one. Speculation gave us the great depression, AND the SEC, which was supposed to "fix" the problem... STOP THE MADNESS!!! Ignorance is never bliss, nor does it lend itself to liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Like sands through an hourglass.... GM, folks, is officially in play. This will not be good for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nels Nelson Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The doo-doo is getting deeper for Ford. It will be impossible for them to join with another carmaker without the Ford Family losing control of their eponymous company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The doo-doo is getting deeper for Ford. It will be impossible for them to join with another carmaker without the Ford Family losing control of their eponymous company. You seem to think that it's a foregone conclusion that linking up with a company roughly the same size, with a totally different culture, and totally different purchasing, product development, and manufacturing systems is a GOOD thing. It's not. There are not enough economies of scale to be leveraged in raw materials purchasing, for the amount of headaches that any such alliance will bring with it. It will be YEARS before any value comes from the alliance, and all member companies will be severely compromised by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Kanary Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Considering the past joint ventures between these two firms, THIS approach is the sensible one. Look at what Renault has been able to do in North America over the past 50 years. { Want to hitch your wagon to that star ? } Since there has already been cooperation between the Blue Oval and the 'Enjoy The Ride' folks, their approach to GM left me somewhat puzzled. {I am not a business analyst, nor do I portray one on television. } <VBG> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The only automaker that could possibly be any sort of "match" for Ford, socially, environmentally, and economically is VAG. VW, Audi, and the myriad "other" parts of it. VW's got the small car "market" nailed, and Ford's got the truck "market" nailed. Tango Uniform, people, its just a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The only automaker that could possibly be any sort of "match" for Ford, socially, environmentally, and economically is VAG. VW, Audi, and the myriad "other" parts of it. VW's got the small car "market" nailed, and Ford's got the truck "market" nailed. Tango Uniform, people, its just a matter of time. The same can be said about a Ford/Honda match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicford Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Ford already has Mazda, and I think they could even do without PAG and put that toward making Lincoln/Mercury completely different from Ford. They don't need to merge with anyone, outside North America Ford's doing great anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 Ford already has Mazda, and I think they could even do without PAG and put that toward making Lincoln/Mercury completely different from Ford. They don't need to merge with anyone, outside North America Ford's doing great anyways. For now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Toyota and Ford are meant to be together. I'm waiting for the day when that finally happens. Ford has the European/South American footprint. Toyota has the North American footprint sans the truck market. And Ford strives to operate like Toyota more than any other Detroit maker thanks to a focus on core products. But one thing seems clear, alliances are inevitable for GM and Ford. It's the only way to do business globally in a cost effective and competitive way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 It's the only way to do business globally in a cost effective and competitive way. Substantiate this claim, please. It is not self-evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 "It is not self-evident." It sure isn't. Borg and the rest of the pecksniffs make the assumption that a megamonster agglomeration must produce benefits of scale. Problem is, that assumption may not be true today, and it certainly won't be true in 10 to 20 years. Why? Simple — the way cars are fabricated is going to be changing radically over the next 2 decades. It's like armchair generals fighting the next war like the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sixcav Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 The Guns of August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) Oh, my god! What is the world coming to? the new world order... THE NEW WORLD ORDER! This ain't no off the cuff talk. Look at all the mega-mergers within big business the past 13 or so years! That's part of the master plan... Next... You'll see McDonalds, Burger King and Wendy's merge and when that happens. The (freedom of choice) game is over! Edited July 18, 2006 by Bored of Pisteon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Where it's really kind of scary is in broadcasting and banking. All broadcast and print media - all radio and TV stations, newspapers, magazines - are now in the hands of about 6 mega-corporations. And they're busy trying to swallow each other up. And they also dictate to a large degree what will be carried by chain outlets like Barnes and Noble, and what will get published in the first place (disclaimer: I got that notion out of a book that I bought at Barnes and Noble.) How many independent banks are left? Aerospace: there are 2 companies of any consequence left in the world. 40 years ago we had 3 relatively healthy civilian aircraft manufactures in this country (Lockheed, McDonell Douglas, and Boeing), they had 2 in the Soviet Union, and 1 each in Britain (more before the creation of BAC in 1960) and France. Software: Microsoft produces 95% of the operating system software in the world - and I don't know what percentage of other software, but - show of hands: who doesn't have "Word" or Excel installed on thier computer? Somewhere along the way, we just decided that antitrust and a truly competitive free market don't matter anymore, that monopolies are just swell, and that they'll take great care of us once they control everything. Thanks de-regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68Cougar Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 "It is not self-evident." It sure isn't. Borg and the rest of the pecksniffs make the assumption that a megamonster agglomeration must produce benefits of scale. Yeah, it's been doing DaimlerChryser so good. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 (edited) Borg and others seem to think car companies should be all one blob, run in Tokyo. Japan still has an image of "saints" running businesses, but they are really cut throat. And, no no no, Ford and Toyota do NOT 'belong together'. Some want to see a Japanese name on all cars so they can "think and feel good". And why should they rule the world, just because the 'borgieous' [upper materialistic] class in America "like the feel of the interiors". Edited July 20, 2006 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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