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It's known as a "cheap SUV", so if they redesigned it and the price went up, it would lose sales. Just like the last Chysler 200. When a vehicle is known for simply being "cheap" and "huge rebates for low credit score buyers", it gets stuck in a hole. Dodge fans are having panic attacks about Journey dying slowly. Say "I don't want to spend more $$ on a Jeep, I want a new design Journey". But, still expect huge rebates and "cheap prices" with a "new design". Can't expect car companies to build unprofitable stuff, with huge rebates anymore. No one is "entitled" to a brand new car. Can't afford new car? Get used, save $.

All over car message boards, especially Mopar fan sites, posters love typing "FCA this", "FCA that" but then hate Fiat products. Well, what do they think the F in FCA means?

Been like this forever. Why you have to practically yell "No!" when the F&I Manager tries to push "extra profit items" at closing. 601xx ZIP is Chicago area. We used to have even more Ford dealers. Some only 3-4 miles apart.

"... only ZEV will be allowed " Well, look back to 20 years ago, 1999, the 2000's were coming and we were all supposed to be in "futuristic cars" by now. Full sized pickups still rule the market. California's 1998 mandate for more ZEV came and went, for example. A giant "we'll see".

Funny how years ago, there was all this crying about "What will police drive?" when CV was going to be dropped. Like it was the "end of times". "Cops only like BOF Panthers!" Now, all over the place are Explorer cop cars. And unibody Charger, too. [No kids, its not BOF]

VW is now mainly another SUV seller. All the "car guys" were praising VW for offering the Golf station wagon, but turns out it's getting dropped. All they did was sit and collect dust. Where were all the "enthusiasts"? They kept driving 15 year old Jetta wagons, with excuse "Oh, I wait till cars are 10 years old before I buy". "Other guys should pay for depreciation". Are they expecting the Gov't to "hand out free station wagons"?

Someone eager for EV's said "oh, my wife and I can go shop for the hour that our EV is charging.." Who has time to "shop"? Mall Stores are closing!

All those pre-BK Chevys had bowtie badges that would warp and peel in the sun. Instead of "halo cars", should have brought out better interiors and badges. And, all these "enthusiasts" who went nuts over the Regal wagon, from Opel, never bought them.

I remember the "first crash of 2015 Mustang" and "first crash of Ford GT". I'm expecting "first mass market driverless car crash!"

Some Mopar fans were claiming that by this year, "there will be a fleet of Dodges on Alfa Gulia platform; coupes, convertibles, and more!" Where?

"... the C7 was no minced meat. " True, and same with C6.

I agree with "Autoextremist" Pete D. about new Vette. It's finally mid engine and not costing "an arm & a leg". Has good constructive criticism, but also he does trash "internet haters" too. The ones saying "I wont get it since no stick". Well, were you really in the market? BTW: Porsche is now a CUV brand, for upper class suburban parents picking up kids from soccer practice, that happens to sell small sports cars. JK, LOL ;-)

"... stereotypical buyer is a middle aged overweight gold chain wearing divorcee." Maybe in the 1970s and 80s, but new Vettes mainly sell to 65-80 y/o men reliving the 1960's. Middle aged men today were 20-something in the 1990's, and sure don't wear gold chains. More like still wearing a goatee and listening to Peal Jam. Sort of like the guy in flannel shirt in meme posted with "Um no". But, GM needs to move to upscale 'coastal' buyers, not "flannel guys".

Some in Detroit are happy, since less excess inventory! Just kidding, at least no one was hurt badly.

Car fans are complaining about 'boring' Utes. But years ago, were whining about 'dull' sedans. Now, screaming "Save the sedan!".