DTP MANIAC Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) Here at DTP I'm hoping that our bargaining reps put in to change the team leader process, Some of these people think they are now supervision and it goes to their heads. this is pitting union member's against each other. If they are voted in maybe they will remember they are hourly. This is my feeling about this, maybe the company wants to do away with THERE ARE TO MANY CHIEFS AND NOT ENOUGH INDIANS (management) what and see. Edited October 20, 2011 by DTP MANIAC 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Here at DTP I'm hoping that our bargaining reps put in to change the team leader process, Some of these people think they are now supervision and it goes to their heads. this is pitting union member's against each other. If they are voted in maybe they will remember they are hourly. This is my feeling about this, maybe the company wants to do away with THERE ARE TO MANY CHIEFS AND NOT ENOUGH INDIANS (management) what and see. I agree, all jobs above production should be bid jobs by seniority. Our plant at KTP is very low seniority and they don't like the idea....but in my opinion seniority is about all we have left. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janeaubrey19 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I agree, all jobs above production should be bid jobs by seniority. Our plant at KTP is very low seniority and they don't like the idea....but in my opinion seniority is about all we have left. I disagree seniority should count but that shouldn't be the only requirement. If they don't do the job they shouldn't be allowed to keep it! And when they don't do the job that screws over 12 other people. You shouldn't have to wait an hour to go to the bathroom cuz you can't find your Teamleader. Especially w/ tag relief 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffamily Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I disagree seniority should count but that shouldn't be the only requirement. If they don't do the job they shouldn't be allowed to keep it! And when they don't do the job that screws over 12 other people. You shouldn't have to wait an hour to go to the bathroom cuz you can't find your Teamleader. Especially w/ tag relief What is their job exactly ? Have you ever read the posting for the job ? We should just go back to repairmen . Good luck going to the restroom then .Maybe If everyone didn't take their phone and drink with them to the restroom there wouldn't be such a problem getting their attention . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janeaubrey19 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What is their job exactly ? Have you ever read the posting for the job ? We should just go back to repairmen . Good luck going to the restroom then .Maybe If everyone didn't take their phone and drink with them to the restroom there wouldn't be such a problem getting their attention . No if they were around like they are suppose to be or aren't too busy talking or seriously hiding so they don't have to let you use the restroom. I don't know if your plant uses tag but if you have a certain break like 1-2 or 7-8 you are most likely going to have to go. If people take their drinks maybe they are just adding ice cuz most likely if the Teamleader throws a fit about using the restroom they aren't going let you go get ice. Bathroom breaks are part of their job description. Along w/ stocking up your stations and which is never done if the previous shift left u in the hole they are "suppose to get all jobs out before we start the shift. I'm not saying all teamleaders are bad but a lot if them are. And I'm not saying they are bad people either most are really good people but just suck at their jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2911screwed Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 This is a great subject our union needs to address, I've been saying this stuff for years, There should be a weekly survey done by the actual supervisor asking each worker how they feel about their relief person (1-3) ratings should be given out: 1= good 2= don't care 3= get rid of him/her Yes they think they are supervision and at DTP they will rat out any worker they don't personally like, they may not like the way you look, the way you smell, the way you don't say hi to them, they may not like the fact that your out going on the line, (some people like to not talk to others at work) they may not like the fact you have to take a shit at a certain time. Then they fuck you and rat you out. I had a team leader lie one time and tell management that I wasn't doing my job when I was. The only cure for that is to set'em up. I know plenty of ways you can setup relief people. They sometimes have to put parts on the line from a stash of parts they have, just sabotage them on him and he/she will be forced to shut the line down. UAW get rid of this system it's no good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Relief or team leader. Please make up your mind..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2911screwed Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Relief or team leader. Please make up your mind..... Who cares they are all the same to me. RATS Edited October 21, 2011 by 2911screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Who cares they are all the same to me. RATS Sounds like someone has issues..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I disagree seniority should count but that shouldn't be the only requirement. If they don't do the job they shouldn't be allowed to keep it! And when they don't do the job that screws over 12 other people. You shouldn't have to wait an hour to go to the bathroom cuz you can't find your Teamleader. Especially w/ tag relief Just like any bid job in the plant...if the person doing the job isn't doing it correctly then it's managements responsibility to take care of the issue as you would any employee not following the rules on a job requirement. And as far as what I heard at our questions meeting.....these jobs will no longer be required to take care of bathroom breaks...this issue will be handled differently moving forward. Seniority is the only way to bid any job about production...period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverMan Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Just like any bid job in the plant...if the person doing the job isn't doing it correctly then it's managements responsibility to take care of the issue as you would any employee not following the rules on a job requirement. And as far as what I heard at our questions meeting.....these jobs will no longer be required to take care of bathroom breaks...this issue will be handled differently moving forward. Seniority is the only way to bid any job about production...period. CAP recently went to tag relief, None of the jobs were posted!!!!!!!!!!!! The company wanted to rush in tag relief, to fill the void until we go to three crews, so the posting process was by passed. It was all done thru a survey. In our last local agreement, we agreed to give up non pro postings, which means everything should go up for a job promotion posting. No relief jobs posted at CAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Who cares if someone takes there drink and phone to restroom, you try working over 4 hours til your 1st break.. Bet you would not like it. You got your break when you got hired. If you don't like it quit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2911screwed Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 There is a section in the contract that states a worker may be gone from the line 12 minutes total if they need a bathroom break, if you don't like the relief job, take a hike on down the road bbbiiiiiiiitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2911screwed Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Sounds like someone has issues..... Oh yeah, you should start coming to work more Derick, you were the same at SRP, didn't wanna work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Oh yeah, you should start coming to work more Derick, you were the same at SRP, didn't wanna work. Never been there....Have called "off" from work six times in the last 10 years. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Never been there....Have called "off" from work six times in the last 10 years. Try again. Good ol canton Chuckie He's not even working for ford anymore report his user name so he can create another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Good ol canton Chuckie He's not even working for ford anymore report his user name so he can create another one yes, but its more fun to make each user name look as stupid as he is....He accused me of never working under one of his old names before (as well as being at SRP) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2911screwed Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Good ol canton Chuckie He's not even working for ford anymore report his user name so he can create another one You have issues, you should stop stalking people, remember we know what you drive and where you park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) AAI Came up with a simple solution to the team leader issue, and it works very well. The team votes in the team leader once each year. It that leader wants to keep getting voted in, they do the job for the people. Otherwise, they are automatically out after one year. Members do not vote them out, its automatic. Election is every year. The team leaders over there, for the vast majority at least, do excellant work They don't rat on people, they take care of relief as needed, and they do repairs as needed. The system works Sure, some will say Senority should get it..but its more important to me (and I HAVE senority) to make sure the team leader is willing and able to perform the job each and every day. When your performance is judged by your peers, and they decide if you are doing the job or not, you work much harder to please everyone.. And you don't play favorites. Edited October 23, 2011 by trailfndr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanginonWHSP Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 AAI Came up with a simple solution to the team leader issue, and it works very well. The team votes in the team leader once each year. It that leader wants to keep getting voted in, they do the job for the people. Otherwise, they are automatically out after one year. Members do not vote them out, its automatic. Election is every year. The team leaders over there, for the vast majority at least, do excellant work They don't rat on people, they take care of relief as needed, and they do repairs as needed. The system works Sure, some will say Senority should get it..but its more important to me (and I HAVE senority) to make sure the team leader is willing and able to perform the job each and every day. When your performance is judged by your peers, and they decide if you are doing the job or not, you work much harder to please everyone.. And you don't play favorites. AGREED.......voting in works well for us at Walton Hills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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