itsmeuaw Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 This what I why I voted no on that last contract:Why would we get anything after our contract was ratified with NONE of things we gave up is in there!Another thing how come Chicago Assbly and the Heights skilled trades had the same ballots as production had ,They were always separate ballots and even different colors,their has to some worded somewhere in our contract were skilled trades can allow strike if they voted it down, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Harley Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) This what I why I voted no on that last contract:Why would we get anything after our contract was ratified with NONE of things we gave up is in there! Because they are letting the arbitrator decide? Because if we already got it back, the arbitrator wouldn't be asked to rule on it? We DID get back some of the things we gave up. Pay in lieu of vaction and personal time comes immediately to mind. Edited November 19, 2011 by Twincam Harley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stampman Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 This what I why I voted no on that last contract:Why would we get anything after our contract was ratified with NONE of things we gave up is in there!Another thing how come Chicago Assbly and the Heights skilled trades had the same ballots as production had ,They were always separate ballots and even different colors,their has to some worded somewhere in our contract were skilled trades can allow strike if they voted it down, With the way you butcher the English language, be happy you have a job. The trades had different ballots at CSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmeuaw Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 With the way you butcher the English language, be happy you have a job. The trades had different ballots at CSP. Sorry meant Chicago assbly Plant,here why I said that,Autoworkers Caravan, a group that represents UAW activists, said today that a group of skilled-trade workers have appealed the ratification of Chrysler’s four-year labor contracts The appeal was signed by 227 skilled-trades workers and filed with the UAW’s International Executive Board. A UAW spokeswoman could not be reached immediately for comment. Some of Chrysler’s skilled-trades workers are upset because the executive board declared on Oct. 26 that the contract had been ratified even though a majority of skilled-trades workers voted against it. Under the UAW’s constitution, skilled-trades workers can reject a contract if they vote against it for reasons that pertain to skilled-trades issues. The UAW's board ruled Oct. 26 that the skilled-trades workers voted against the contract because they disagreed with the general economic terms of the agreement. Because of that decision, the board declared that the contract had been ratified because 54.8% of all hourly workers — both production and skilled trades workers — had voted in favor of the deal. About 5,000 of Chrysler’s 23,000 hourly UAW workers are skilled trades while the rest are production workers. The appeal filed by the skilled-trades workers “asks for documentation on how President King and the IEB arrived at their decision on the same day the vote totals were announced.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmeuaw Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Because they are letting the arbitrator decide? Because if we already go it back, the arbitrator wouldn't be asked to rule on it? We DID get back some of the things we gave up. Pay in lieu of vaction and personal time comes immediately to mind. NO parity with General Motors or Ford. We get $1750 upon ratification. The other $1750, only “when the company achieves financial stability,”is misrepresented as a ratification bonus—we might not get it at all. We get only $500 a year “inflation protection” which is less than the $600 Christmas bonus we lost in 2009. We might get another $500 for quality, but “no award will be paid if Chrysler Group LLC determines that targets were not met.” An “audit score adjustment factor” would give workers in some plants up to $1000, but only if they achieve a bronze or higher WCM score (not likely in the next four years). Profit sharing? Chrysler can make up to $1.25 billion in operating profits—a long shot considering the company claims to have “lost” $254 million in the first half of 2011—before we get a cent. In other words all but $3750 depends on “metrics” that we have no say in and minimal control over. NO repayment of past losses! $3750 does not begin to compensate us for the concessions of 2009—“suspensions” of raises, bonuses, holidays and more that were supposed to be temporary—that cost eachworker a minimum of $9000. Bonuses that average less than $1000 per year do not make up for the thousandsof dollars we will have lost at the end of our Chrysler career if we allow the “suspensions” to be transformed into permanent losses. NO end to two-tier pay. Raises for “entry level” workers—UAW sisters and brothers like everyone else—leave them at least a $9 an hour behind “traditional” employees and their pay can still barely support a family. There are no commitments to make Temporary Part Time workers permanent. TPTs and Summer Vacation Replacements do not count towards the 25% cap on “entry level,” which does not even go into effect until 2015. Even if some entry level workers are moved into the “traditional” pay bracket they will not get traditional benefits. All these tiers lower wages for everyone in the long run and keep us all “divided and conquered.” NO COLA or improvement factor raises—“traditional” pay is frozen for another four years. We have not had a raise since 2006. Are we paying the same for food, gas and utilities as we did in 2006? Time-and-ahalf only after 40 hours. NO guarantees that there will be 2100 new jobs; any new jobs will be 100 per cent second tier. New jobs will be offset by reduction of jobs in skilled trades. Language that made the company fill attritional openings has been deleted. A new loophole—“market related volume declines” has been added to the toothless moratorium on plant closings and spinoffs. The UAW workforce at Chrysler could be even less than 26,000 by 2015. NO end to forced transfers of workers on indefinite layoff—without “closed plant” status they still lose their seniority. Laid off workers run out of SUB after 26-52 weeks. The job bank is gone. NO let up in the decimation of skilled trades. The company will continue cutting skilled trades to the bone through outsourcing, combining and eliminating classifications (“rationalization”), and dumping more trades work on production through Autonomous Maintenance. Lines of demarcation will be a thing of the past. Two thirds of all skilled positions could be eliminated at Chrysler, Ford and GM if they follow the pattern of GM’s totally restructured Lake Orion assembly plant. NO lost holidays returned. We did not get back Easter Monday and lost the “floating holiday” (the one Friday before Labor Day that was in the last contract) and July 5, 2013 (the Friday after Thursday, July 4, which we would have off with pay in previous contracts). NO restoration of relief time cut in 2009, which amounts to roughly 25 hours per year. Six to eight minutes per day now cut for Alternative Work Schedule/Flexible Operating Pattern workers. NO $700 Christmas bonus for retirees and pensions are frozen for four years. NO bereavement for same-sex partners. NO change to the inhumane combined attendance and tardiness procedure. One occurrence removed now, and then 4 more years under the gun. NO end to AWS and FOP, with some crews having their regularly scheduled 10-12 hour days on weekends for straight time. Dundee and Trenton only won—after Dundee voted to strike—relief from changing shifts from week to week. The company can impose AWS or FOP on a plant without local union approval. NO fairness in overtime: “the Local Unions and local plant managements may negotiate local agreements for the purposes of equalizing team based”—not by rotation or seniority anymore—“overtime hours or overtime opportunities in the same department and classification and on the same shift.” AND NO, Fiat-Chrysler is not broke. Cash reserves of Fiat and Chrysler have been combined and the company is sitting on a pot worth $27 billion. Car sales are up and market share has increased. Chrysler’s hourly labor costs are $7-9 less than Ford, GM and Toyota. The Treasury loans have been paid in full ahead of schedule, drastically lowering lending rates. And they did not “lose” $254 million. When the bosses borrowed money to pay off the Treasury there were servicing fees. Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and their cohorts got half billion bucks. We got a button! We are forfeiting everything we thought we could get back if we vote yes. Many of us are understandably worried about what we could lose if we vote no and the contract goes to arbitration. There is no predicting how the arbitrator would rule or how long it would take. We are on unchartered waters. We don’t know what might weigh in on the ruling. There are the GM and Ford patterns, and there’s Fiat's 27-billion-dollar cash reserve, but Chrysler claims by itself it has only $10 billion. An anti-union arbitrator might try to squeeze more givebacks. The “Occupy Wall St.” protests in New York and hundreds of other cities have put the spotlight on corporate greed. One way we can protest corporate greed is by voting NO on this contract. We would be acting in a proud and dignified manner in the tradition of the sit-downs of the 1930s. We would be showing Marchionne that we reject his “culture of poverty” and will not be blackmailed by scare tactics. Whatever the vote, we rank-and-file members have to come together. We can’t let tiers keep us divided. We need to find a way to revive the fighting tradition of the UAW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks for the antiunion-autocaravan cut and paste on Chrysler issues FYI,,,, this is a Ford forum 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TAKE A BUY-OUT. IF YOU WANT TO BE INFORMED GO TO A UNION MEETING OR UAW ON FACEBOOK! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stampman Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Heard it has been settled we all will get One dollar paid on Dec. 16th. Will we have the option to put that in TESPHE? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 seater Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Will we have the option to put that in TESPHE? Yes but then you will have to wait til Dec. 21st for your dollar :hysterical2: Edited November 19, 2011 by 2 seater 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockofCashel Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 This what I why I voted no on that last contract:Why would we get anything after our contract was ratified with NONE of things we gave up is in there!Another thing how come Chicago Assbly and the Heights skilled trades had the same ballots as production had ,They were always separate ballots and even different colors,their has to some worded somewhere in our contract were skilled trades can allow strike if they voted it down, So the minority, trades, should be able to control the destiny of the majority? Ummm, do you know how a union is supposed to work? Also, fuck the trades. Most of them sit around and whine that they're under paid and overworked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompor1 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 https://www.facebook.com/#!/uawforddept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgm Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 So the minority, trades, should be able to control the destiny of the majority? Ummm, do you know how a union is supposed to work? Also, fuck the trades. Most of them sit around and whine that they're under paid and overworked. Is this "how a union is suppost to work" by putting trades against production? I am tradesman who came from production and I understand how SOME production jobs are worth the amount the employee is getting paid per hour. If you expect me to believe that somebody putting a couple of nuts and bolts on a part justifies $28 an hour then your full of shit. Trades are paid the same amount per hour as guys on the outside if not less. Tell how me how many production jobs out there pay $28 and hour for running machinery or driving a hilo? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long forker DTP FINAL Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 So the minority, trades, should be able to control the destiny of the majority? Ummm, do you know how a union is supposed to work? Also, fuck the trades. Most of them sit around and whine that they're under paid and overworked. nobodys job is anymore important...... some direct some indirect thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maislebandit Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Also, fuck the trades. Someones sounds bitter!! Didn't pass the test eh? How many times you take it? Quite irresponsible of you to make such a blanket statement. These are supposed to be your brothers and sisters? Shame on you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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