knowlimits Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What's up with fitters and plumbers from Saline not going to Chicago and bumping the lowest seniority people in this region instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) What's up with fitters and plumbers from Saline not going to Chicago and bumping the lowest seniority people in this region instead? Doesn't make sense to force anyone before the $100,000 retirement incentive, massive back fill need for Re Skilling Elect and Steam at all loctions and the $50,000 return to production. These are the steps from the local 600 meeting 1) Post for projected Electrician and Steam needs ( re Skill postings from last week) 2) Back fill $100,000 retirements after March 9th 3) Post for remaining Electrical and Steam re-skill openings from $100,000 retirement at all locations 4) $50,000 return to production offer and back-fill openings 5) Mandatory zone placement I have to agree with the UAW on these negotiated steps. It makes no sense to mandatory place any of us at CAP before all of these steps listed above have been exhausted. Edited February 9, 2012 by tooltime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanesz Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What's up with fitters and plumbers from Saline not going to Chicago and bumping the lowest seniority people in this region instead? Then you would be bitching that you got laid off in a few months when saline is sold. It don't make alot of sense to put someone in a slot that is going to be eliminated soon. This whole thing is tuning into a mess the union should just come out with a statement on there plan and we could go from there. Oh wait there is no plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawfactoryrat Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What's up with fitters and plumbers from Saline not going to Chicago and bumping the lowest seniority people in this region instead? It's the abc rule. Let's high on ilo force low working tools to go out of zone to forced placement. Damn right in my opinion. It should be high man company wide on ilo force low man company wide. What's the details about the guys at saline. Who did they bump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) What's up with fitters and plumbers from Saline not going to Chicago and bumping the lowest seniority people in this region instead? Its called CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE, This language was agreed to and voted on in the 2009 modification agreement and carried into the current contract. While before that time the language said lowest in plant, the change was made because of the upcoming changes in the workforce and facilities, and your region also changed, at least for purposes of this part of the contract, our zone was increased to cover Michigan and Ohio...so if someone elects to use this language, they have to realize they might still be moving to Ohio. They will go to whatever plant that the lowest senority person is located at, and that person will then be forced to go, or give up all rights, and lose their job. Actual language is located on page 83 of the current agreement Edited February 9, 2012 by trailfndr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Its called CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE, This language was agreed to and voted on in the 2009 modification agreement and carried into the current contract. While before that time the language said lowest in plant, the change was made because of the upcoming changes in the workforce and facilities, and your region also changed, at least for purposes of this part of the contract, our zone was increased to cover Michigan and Ohio...so if someone elects to use this language, they have to realize they might still be moving to Ohio. They will go to whatever plant that the lowest senority person is located at, and that person will then be forced to go, or give up all rights, and lose their job. Actual language is located on page 83 of the current agreement Im hearing the $100,000 retirement incentive sign up is so successful that there might not be enough of some trades to back fill the openings and may even increase reskilling to other classifications. With 4 weeks left to sign up there may be very little zone forcing. I also heard none of the surplus trades at Vandyke signed up for electrician or steam reskill so it will be posted zone 2 wide. Apparently the Vandyke surplus trades want the $50,000 return to production incentive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawfactoryrat Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Im hearing the $100,000 retirement incentive sign up is so successful that there might not be enough of some trades to back fill the openings and may even increase reskilling to other classifications. With 4 weeks left to sign up there may be very little zone forcing. I also heard none of the surplus trades at Vandyke signed up for electrician or steam reskill so it will be posted zone 2 wide. Apparently the Vandyke surplus trades want the $50,000 return to production incentive. I know of the opposite. Here on the westside anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 He's right about Van Dyke. All but one turned down the re-skill option. I know a few trades working in production that are just drooling at the chance to reskill to the electrical trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The 25 reskilling opportunities in the Rouge will get gobbled up by the top 30 in seniority. Job security is the reason most of us want electrician. I am elated the uaw negotiated for us to reskill, otherwise my job security as my current trade will always be risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) It's my understanding that a posting for such is up or going up about those opportunities at Van Dyke. I would be surprised if the Vandyke reskill posting/openings makes it out of the zone 2 step without volunteers for this chance of a lifetime. It would be nice if it did Edited February 12, 2012 by tooltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Im hearing the $100,000 retirement incentive sign up is so successful that there might not be enough of some trades to back fill the openings and may even increase reskilling to other classifications. With 4 weeks left to sign up there may be very little zone forcing. I also heard none of the surplus trades at Vandyke signed up for electrician or steam reskill so it will be posted zone 2 wide. Apparently the Vandyke surplus trades want the $50,000 return to production incentive. Yeah sure.....not gonna see a whole lot of this option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordd Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Yeah sure.....not gonna see a whole lot of this option. If any pipefitters do not want to be forced to Chicago or any other trades for that matter, you just might see a lot sign up for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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