Teeth knocked out at DTP

[jeter3000]

Regardless of what people did, they should be given a chance to come back. I don't think anyone is debating the fact that if your fighting you should go. And there is a large liability on the company at that point. If someone gets hurt they can be sued. However after some time goes by those people should be able to have a chance to come back to work.

 

If you were fighting and were one of the ones that got fired here is some information you may want:

 

In Regards of collecting unemployment (if you were fired)

 

The company must provide to the state of Michigan an affidavit of facts signed by someone in HR

If the state then sends you something that says the company provided sufficient proof of your termination remember you can appeal and fight it to get your benefits.

The process of which to appeal to the state is a long process so make sure you produce witness statements that you were roped into a situation at work you couldn't control

The state will then decide if your benefits can be given so the more documents you provide to the state the more likely they will approve your benefits

In most cases the company is lax in providing ample information for the state to deny, so if you are denied unemployment no matter what fight it all the way

When the appeal process is over and you have to go in front of a judge to prove your case, simply bring a witness with you to tell your side of the story

Zero tolerance was put in effect to benefit the company not to benefit any workers, it is a shady policy and needs to be looked at, the company loves it

While your out on vacation that the company has to pay for keep calling the union to find out what they are doing to get you back, you will find they won't answer your calls

Next step is to get a labor lawyer and file a law suit and site "wrongful termination", and "Harassment" as the basis of your case, the company will settle they don't want the bad press, make sure you name everyone in it.

It will be hard to find a labor lawyer in MI tho that will take the case because most have been retained by the company, you may need to look outside of Michigan

The so called girl that fell and hit her head has a great law suit on the company and will most likely get her job back, everyone should have fell that day

Make sure you record everything that happens including voice record everything for your records, the union will side with the company to intimidate you from further actions

When they ask you to give up your security badge do so under protest and make sure you record that

Gather all witnesses and have them give a general signed statement about the events

The company and the UNION have no legal skills, so they will make many mistakes along the way, make sure you document it all

If anyone knows some good labor lawyers please post their names and numbers here in the forum

If the company tells you to get anger management and an evaluation, pay for it yourself, they will most likely be working for the company, don't trust 3rd parties

If you had a medical situation before your termination request in writing ALL medical documents and notes in writing with the company and through a FOIA request

Be careful the medical department will only send you what they want, a FOIA request is more powerful then just a written signed request, make sure its notarized

Send a signed written request to HR for your full employment record, by law they are required too within 14 days of your request

Any mailings you send to the company, union or medical must be done using registered or certified mail, else they will deny they got them, they try to be tricky

Send a copy of your record, grievance and complaints and other documents to the Local, and the Region else they will deny that they know about your case

Sending you're documents certified mail to the region forces in plant committee accountability

Know the laws of the contract, if your terminated someone from the local must be present, keep quiet at your hearing, they already made their decision on you

The company will try and say your statements are not consistent, if they have you make more then one statement tell them they already have it

Don't let nobody intimidate you, if your record was clean for more then 10 years the union has an obligation to get you back to work

Never agree to come back on a work waiver, the union will play that game with you, you'll set yourself up for more problems

When you do come back to work you get all your back pay, remember you can't get profit sharing cause you were not working, but everything else you can get back

Remember when your out over a year waiting to go back, the company made about 150k on your ass and didn't have to pay insurance, back pay means nothing to them

 

I hope some of this information helps someone that was fired, I personally know a couple people that are out right now terminated and waiting to get their jobs back and they are being given the runaround by the union. No matter what people do, you just cant throw them out on the street and forget about them they may have a house to pay for, kids to feed and bills to pay. Does the company care? no, they want 15.00 an hour jobs in there, does the union care? no their job is the last one standing, so they will do anything to secure it, even if it means keeping you out to please the company.

KNOW THE LAW

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS

HAVE THE POWER

 

If you were one of the ones fired for fighting the FIRST thing you do is: DONT LISTEN TO MOREPIE! SECOND, Get another job because youve been" FLUSHED" dumb ass terds

[cal50]

The only thing worse than an ass beating is loosing your job and getting the ass beating.

Unless a party acted in self defense I hope the ones that initiated it get fired and stay fired.

(Self defense is a stretch if your trading shots)

 

If someone wants to cry a river for the potential hardship on the people that chose to fight over their job and any responsibilities to themselves / family that's your choice. My prior employment it was true zero tolerance for fighting. If you were involved you were both fired, no self defense plea. The few fights that occurred were broken up quickly or both parties were out the door. Its this simple rule that kept a lot of things in check because our jobs were more important than the A-hole you might be working next to.

 

Good luck in the unemployment line with loose or missing teeth and no dental.

[morepie]

The only thing worse than an ass beating is loosing your job and getting the ass beating.

Unless a party acted in self defense I hope the ones that initiated it get fired and stay fired.

(Self defense is a stretch if your trading shots)

 

If someone wants to cry a river for the potential hardship on the people that chose to fight over their job and any responsibilities to themselves / family that's your choice. My prior employment it was true zero tolerance for fighting. If you were involved you were both fired, no self defense plea. The few fights that occurred were broken up quickly or both parties were out the door. Its this simple rule that kept a lot of things in check because our jobs were more important than the A-hole you might be working next to.

 

Good luck in the unemployment line with loose or missing teeth and no dental.

 

Company won't conduct a proper investigation but will claim too. Union will get behind the company and claim they have all this evidence yet it won't be produced to any parties. They will then claim "Zero Tolerance" and take the easy way out. Sorry but if that was your ass you would feel the same way. It is not right for anyone (UAW Member) to come in here and say yes those people should be fired, then crack a joke behind the comment making yourself look like a walking douche bag.

 

I hope it never happens to you.