neod192 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Your short trip to work is a really bad application for the hybrid. The Energi would be much better for your application. My 17 mile work drive each way gave me 41 mpg after 23 months. My retirement has knocked my frequent trips down to within 6 miles and I'm getting around 38. TerryBlauser Good point about the Energi, but for some odd reason Ford decided to price it $10k higher than the hybrid. It would take 10+ years to recover that investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Where's the dislike button ... ? Just something you need to keep in mind when you get this option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 for some odd reason Ford decided to price it $10k higher than the hybrid. It's not odd at all. They're called batteries and they're not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neod192 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's not odd at all. They're called batteries and they're not cheap. It's odd when you look at the "Energi premium" on the C-Max and compare it to the Fusion. The C-Max Energi is priced much more reasonable and after federal tax credits you only have to pay about $2k extra. You're not paying more on the Fusion because the battery costs more, you pay more because of market pricing - other similar cars (Volt) sell for $40k+ so Ford priced the Fusion like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's odd when you look at the "Energi premium" on the C-Max and compare it to the Fusion. The C-Max Energi is priced much more reasonable and after federal tax credits you only have to pay about $2k extra. You're not paying more on the Fusion because the battery costs more, you pay more because of market pricing - other similar cars (Volt) sell for $40k+ so Ford priced the Fusion like that. Are they equipped the same or is the Fusion Energi a higher trim level? Market pricing is pretty normal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neod192 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Are they equipped the same or is the Fusion Energi a higher trim level? As far as I know, the difference between the SE Luxury and Energi SE Luxury trims (or Titanium and Energi Titanium) is that it has a bigger battery that can be charged by plugging it in (on both the C-Max and the Fusion). I asked Ford this question many times and that's the only answer I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckokie36 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) Here is the info on the energi, all you ever wanted to know about the ordering...... Order guide is attached! and yes there is a difference between the energi titanium and the other titaniums-- the wheels are 17" no options, no dual exhaust outlets and maybe more. Attached Files FUSION ENERGI.pdf 60.01K 65 downloads Edited December 18, 2012 by chuckokie36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I have come to the conclusion that it is a terrible idea to warm up your car. MPG w/o warm up MPG with warm up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pers69 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Looks like perhaps the door sill plates and the aluminum pedal covers are also gone from the Energi Ti. One has to wonder if the 17" option limitation is a result of the mpg hit seen with 18 and 19" wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 nmadole: Your trip summaries make me really question the accuracy of the readings we are getting. All the numbers for your warmed-up trip should result in a higher MPG, unless you were flooring it when you were on the ICE. With 67% of the trip being on EV, you should be in the 40s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 nmadole: Your trip summaries make me really question the accuracy of the readings we are getting. All the numbers for your warmed-up trip should result in a higher MPG, unless you were flooring it when you were on the ICE. With 67% of the trip being on EV, you should be in the 40s. TRUST ME, I do not like spending more money on gas. I am 26 year old young professional with alot of stundent loan debt.. they only reason I justifed this purchase of this car is the 47 MPG rating. I am trying very hard to drive with all due caution and finess. I really wish I was in the 40's, I just dont understand. I started this blog in part so people couldn't say I was making it up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 nmadole: Your trip summaries make me really question the accuracy of the readings we are getting. All the numbers for your warmed-up trip should result in a higher MPG, unless you were flooring it when you were on the ICE. With 67% of the trip being on EV, you should be in the 40s. Also I calculate all of my MPG by hand at each filling cycle... My dash Average is 31.3 MPG my hand calculated average is 29.6 MPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't remember: does your Fusion slow down excessively when you coast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I can't remember: does your Fusion slow down excessively when you coast? Negative, Drive train seems perfectly fine. My Grade assist is turned off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 After making a quick stop last night, which warmed the car up, the summary for my 8 mile trip home at 45 degrees temperature was 42.3 mpg. This included six miles at 60-65 mph. My lifetime average is 36 mpg. There has to be something unusually wrong with yours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoom5 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) Nmadole, I can feel your disappointment through the Net! I'm amazed so many times how seemingly identical mass produces vehicles can vary so much. I'm not doubting your driving style, but in the case between me and my wife, and I hope I don't come off uncouth, but when she drives our cars, I can see a 6 mpg difference. She's learned a bit more now and it's probably closer to 4 mpg discrepancy now-a-days. However, from most of the other hybrid owners (including one who visits my work to shop) they are getting quite a bit higher mpg. Now, he has 17" wheels, which does lower unsprung weight a bit, but not that much. Hey, I'm pulling for all of you! I noticed that when I had my cat and exhaust replaced, I lost 3 mpgs and I can't figure it out. Some think that I changed the back pressure to the motor and it's breathing too well. All I did was have a half inch larger pipe put on. Ironically though, I don't have such a huge mpg difference between Summer and Winter here since the new pipe was put on. It used to be at least 4 mpg difference, now it's a draw. Oh, my car hates E10. I lose 5-6 mpg if I use it. After a second full take of non E10, she runs great and I get my mpg's back. Gosh, this is a long entry...I hope you will see improvements as time goes by and as Ford finds updates to the software that might lean out the system and make it more efficient. Computers don't laugh, they don't cry, they just run programs...and a program is only as good as the programmer...never better. Edited December 20, 2012 by Zoomzoom5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 I am taking my car in yet again Tuesday for a Fuel Economy Test... I was contacted by the Regional Customer Service Manager after my ticket was escalated. I am at 30 MPG Lifetime Average.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm glad to hear that someone is looking more deeply into this and that you aren't getting brushed aside. Hope you can get it all resolved. Keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rprobst Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) It's odd when you look at the "Energi premium" on the C-Max and compare it to the Fusion. The C-Max Energi is priced much more reasonable and after federal tax credits you only have to pay about $2k extra. You're not paying more on the Fusion because the battery costs more, you pay more because of market pricing - other similar cars (Volt) sell for $40k+ so Ford priced the Fusion like that. I agree that the difference is probably due to Ford pricing the 2 Energis to the market, but I think it may go the other way. I suspect that the Fusion Energi is profitable, but that they are losing money on the C-Max Energi, in an attempt to knock Prius off its throne. Edited January 12, 2013 by rprobst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tch2ffh Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nmadole, I can feel your disappointment through the Net! I'm amazed so many times how seemingly identical mass produces vehicles can vary so much. I'm not doubting your driving style, but in the case between me and my wife, and I hope I don't come off uncouth, but when she drives our cars, I can see a 6 mpg difference. She's learned a bit more now and it's probably closer to 4 mpg discrepancy now-a-days. I can corroborate as relates to my experience with the Camry Hybrid. When I drive it I get anywhere from 38-41 MPG and my wife gets 33-36. Driving style has much to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 The dealerships tests resulted in a best case scenario MPG of 37 ... Ford regional customer service manager told me that 37 mpg is "good" for the 13 fusion on winter blend gas. She said they expect a 6-8 mpg loss on winter fuel. So basically ford admitted to me the car will get mid 30's for around half the year (at least) ... I feel that this simply unacceptable... It's not my driving ... IT IS THE CAR ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The dealerships tests resulted in a best case scenario MPG of 37 ... Ford regional customer service manager told me that 37 mpg is "good" for the 13 fusion on winter blend gas. She said they expect a 6-8 mpg loss on winter fuel. So basically ford admitted to me the car will get mid 30's for around half the year (at least) ... I feel that this simply unacceptable... It's not my driving ... IT IS THE CAR ... Ford does not control gasoline formulations. The don't control the fuel that the EPA uses and they don't control the use of winter blend fuel and/or E-10 both of which lower mileage. They are also required by law to show the EPA mileage on the window sticker as determined by the aforementioned EPA test procedures. Part of the drop in winter is due to colder temps requiring more ICE operation. This is not unique to Ford. That's just how hybrids and the EPA testing work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Ford does not control gasoline formulations. The don't control the fuel that the EPA uses and they don't control the use of winter blend fuel and/or E-10 both of which lower mileage. They are also required by law to show the EPA mileage on the window sticker as determined by the aforementioned EPA test procedures. Part of the drop in winter is due to colder temps requiring more ICE operation. This is not unique to Ford. That's just how hybrids and the EPA testing work. So you think 6-8 mpg loss is acceptable just because of winter blend fuel? As the ford rep said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 So you think 6-8 mpg loss is acceptable just because of winter blend fuel? As the ford rep said Winter blend fuel AND colder temps in a hybrid - yes. It's simple physics. And it doesn't affect only Ford - it affects all hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmadole Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Winter blend fuel AND colder temps in a hybrid - yes. It's simple physics. And it doesn't affect only Ford - it affects all hybrids. I did not say anything about cold weather for a reason... The ford rep said the fuel ALONE will cause an expected 6-8 MPG loss which I think is crazy plus more for the cold temp. She said even in warmer temps the fuel blend will reduced your mpg by 6-8 mpg ... This coming from the regional customer service manager of Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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