The NSA-(Just because we REALLY should discuss this)

[the_spaniard]

I was not wrong...did you check your facts?

 

Did you read the above? RN has the facts correct. If you were saying my original guess of 600 was incorrect, you are right. It was worse, further strengthening the point I was making. In other words, my guess was underestimating the impact.

 

Thanks for the help proving my point though.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Anyone noticed the apathy today regarding the abuses the NSA is known to have committed....and even admitted.

 

Perhaps the people have been inoculated, or rather, manipulated to become inured to new revelations and infringements.

 

There's a reason........

 

It's called "Progressive" methods.

 

 

Edited February 21, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany

[Langston Hughes]

Anyone noticed the apathy today regarding the abuses the NSA is known to have committed....and even admitted.

 

Perhaps the people have been inoculated, or rather, manipulated to become inured to new revelations and infringements.

 

There's a reason........

 

It's called "Progressive" methods.

 

It's called foot in the door method. At least your link calls it that. You want to tie it to a word your taking out of context and smear liberals with it, but that's just your usual bullshit weasel word games.

 

After hearing about the abuses our government has committed since the inception of the PA perhaps it doesn't reach their stimulus threshold any longer. Instead of trying and failing to be witty, you could realize that people have a threshold for stimuli and it increases as they get used to the current level of stimulus. Like I've noted many times my own give a damn is broken and it doesn't help now that the same people defending the first offenses are the ones screaming the loudest now. 8 years ago a majority of conservatives in Congress could care less if the federal government was abusing it's power and now they want to impeach Obama over shit they defended then.

 

as the meme says..."Ain't nobody got time for that"

 

Except you and a few others, but that's about hating on Obama, not worrying about our freedoms.

[NickF1011]

 

Except you and a few others, but that's about hating on Obama, not worrying about our freedoms.

 

They're kind of the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Bold text is my response to Langston Hughes un-bolded comments.

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It's called foot in the door method. At least your link calls it that. You want to tie it to a word your taking out of context and smear liberals with it, but that's just your usual bullshit weasel word games.

You REALLY CAN"T stand a different opinion. At least without throwing "B.S." around. Let's discuss the issue instead of your childish name calling. I've well addressed the Eagle Scout assertion, yet you prefer to use it as a weapon.

Your talking about "The camel's nose under the tent." How does the camel get into the tent, progressively. Allow his nose and soon you'll not notice his ears. Allow that and soon his hoofs. How do you turn the US into a socialist liberal utoipa? Progressively. The problem the public has is a short attention span and easily bored with problems. Six months and they're ready to forget what hasn't changed and only get interested in the news of the day. Meanwhile, progressives are content to work on a longer time scale. 50 years as opposed to 180 days.

 

After hearing about the abuses our government has committed since the inception of the PA perhaps it doesn't reach their stimulus threshold any longer. Instead of trying and failing to be witty, you could realize that people have a threshold for stimuli and it increases as they get used to the current level of stimulus. I absolutely agree. And the Progressive's use that threshold to get the camel's hoofs into the tent. Just as the illegal immigration. The generally accepted number is 12 million illegals in the US today. Imagine their reception if they crossed over the border in a day, a week or a year. We'd have taken up arms in National Defense against an INVASION! But, today, thanks to you and your political allies, we are giving them i.d. cards, social assistance, educations, housing, and soon the vote.

 

Like I've noted many times my own give a damn is broken and it doesn't help now that the same people defending the first offenses are the ones screaming the loudest now.

There are many with machinations for the future of this country who are depending on that attitude. However, I think you are disingenuous. You DO give a damn. You just don't stand by your convictions consistently in open discussion. You speak up when others are wrong in your eyes, but when your own players are equally wrong, you fall silent and claim apathy.

 

8 years ago a majority of conservatives in Congress could care less if the federal government was abusing it's power and now they want to impeach Obama over shit they defended then.

If you're trying to impugn my sincerity, I resent that assertion. This is not my exclusive outlet for political discussion and action.

That said, as bad as Bush was, you've done nothing but excuse Obama because of Bush.

THAT is hypocritical in itself.

 

as the meme says..."Ain't nobody got time for that"

 

Except you and a few others, but that's about hating on Obama, not worrying about our freedoms.

Boy, that "hate" word really gets to you. What do you call the emotion s you have for Bush? HATE? I think so.

You can't accuse me of being a Bush fanboy, but there is ample evidence you're Obama's. Which is worse? I say being Obama's enabler in his assault on the constitution and the rule of law is far worse than anyone defending someone who no longer has power in government. Where Obama IS IN POWER and should be charged with fixing the past problems rather than continuing the ones he campaigned against, but is happy to continue now that he's in office. And you wash his feet.

Edited February 21, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany

[Langston Hughes]

Bold text is my response to Langston Hughes un-bolded comments.

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You REALLY CAN"T stand a different opinion. At least without throwing "B.S." around. Let's discuss the issue instead of your childish name calling. I've well addressed the Eagle Scout assertion, yet you prefer to use it as a weapon.

Your talking about "The camel's nose under the tent." How does the camel get into the tent, progressively. Allow his nose and soon you'll not notice his ears. Allow that and soon his hoofs. How do you turn the US into a socialist liberal utoipa? Progressively. The problem the public has is a short attention span and easily bored with problems. Six months and they're ready to forget what hasn't changed and only get interested in the news of the day. Meanwhile, progressives are content to work on a longer time scale. 50 years as opposed to 180 days.

 

I absolutely agree. And the Progressive's use that threshold to get the camel's hoofs into the tent. Just as the illegal immigration. The generally accepted number is 12 million illegals in the US today. Imagine their reception if they crossed over the border in a day, a week or a year. We'd have taken up arms in National Defense against an INVASION! But, today, thanks to you and your political allies, we are giving them i.d. cards, social assistance, educations, housing, and soon the vote.

 

There are many with machinations for the future of this country who are depending on that attitude. However, I think you are disingenuous. You DO give a damn. You just don't stand by your convictions consistently in open discussion. You speak up when others are wrong in your eyes, but when your own players are equally wrong, you fall silent and claim apathy.

 

If you're trying to impugn my sincerity, I resent that assertion. This is not my exclusive outlet for political discussion and action.

That said, as bad as Bush was, you've done nothing but excuse Obama because of Bush.

THAT is hypocritical in itself.

 

Boy, that "hate" word really gets to you. What do you call the emotion s you have for Bush? HATE? I think so.

You can't accuse me of being a Bush fanboy, but there is ample evidence you're Obama's. Which is worse? I say being Obama's enabler in his assault on the constitution and the rule of law is far worse than anyone defending someone who no longer has power in government. Where Obama IS IN POWER and should be charged with fixing the past problems rather than continuing the ones he campaigned against, but is happy to continue now that he's in office. And you wash his feet.

 

I love when you try to make it hard to respond. Good job. I managed though to remove my own previous statements.

 

Impugn your sincerity? I could hardly do that as well as your own posts have. I merely comment on how obvious it is. You do all the heavy lifting.

 

I can't stand a different opinion? No more or less than you, but what presented wasn't an opinion but an attempt to smear and ridicule people by using word games.

 

Your wrong about the NSA. I don't give a damn right now. I gave up, thanks mostly to pro-Bush conservatives and the lack of any ability to change the policy.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

I love when you try to make it hard to respond. Good job. I managed though to remove my own previous statements.

 

Impugn your sincerity? I could hardly do that as well as your own posts have. I merely comment on how obvious it is. You do all the heavy lifting.

 

I can't stand a different opinion? No more or less than you, but what presented wasn't an opinion but an attempt to smear and ridicule people by using word games.

 

Your wrong about the NSA. I don't give a damn right now. I gave up, thanks mostly to pro-Bush conservatives and the lack of any ability to change the policy.

I made it easier. If I had left my comments in a comment box, you couldn't quote the replies.

 

I guess I could have parsed your comments by splitting the whole quote into smaller bits, with the same problem, you would not see what had been in a quote box if you re-quoted it.

[fmccap]

 

While it appears that the government may be backing off of this unbelievable governmental overreach (because of public outcry), the fact that this was EVER considered tells us that things are completely out of control.

 

This reeks of the former Soviet Union....NOT a free America. The NSA is collecting massive amounts of information on American Citizens, very much like the KGB did.

 

Sadly, most Americans are too distracted by "Dancing with the Stars" to pay attention....

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366903828260732

[FiredMotorCompany]

Maybe Ole Joe ought to let Obama know how much he is acting like Bush.

 

[FiredMotorCompany]

You gotta love the irony.

Dianne Feinstein had no problem with the NSA/CIA spying. Until SHE was spied on.

 

Oh, I get it. Spying on American citizens is a good thing, as long as they're not congressmen/congresswomen, aka, the elite.

 

Us peons ain't got no expectation of privacy........but the "elected" representatives are outraged to be treated similarly.

 

 

Senators Okay With Spying On Citizens, But Outraged It Happened To Congress

 

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), a staunch defender of government surveillance of ordinary citizens, took to the Senate floor Tuesday with the stunning accusation that the Central Intelligence Agency may have violated federal law to spy on Congress.

Feinstein, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, railed against the CIA for compromising the legislative branch's oversight role -- a theme echoed by many of her Senate colleagues throughout the day. The outrage was palpable among lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, and some suggested CIA Director John Brennan should resign if the allegations are true. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who has stuck up for intelligence agencies in the past, declared a potential war.

"This is Richard Nixon stuff," Graham told reporters. "This is dangerous to the democracy. Heads should roll, people should go to jail if it’s true. If it is, the legislative branch should declare war on the CIA."

When former contractor Edward Snowden revealed last year that the National Security Agency was secretly collecting phone and electronic records from millions of ordinary Americans, the response in Congress was far more muted. Top senators insisted the surveillance was critical to U.S. counterterrorism activities.

 

[Langston Hughes]

You gotta love the irony.

Dianne Feinstein had no problem with the NSA/CIA spying. Until SHE was spied on.

 

Oh, I get it. Spying on American citizens is a good thing, as long as they're not congressmen/congresswomen, aka, the elite.

 

Us peons ain't got no expectation of privacy........but the "elected" representatives are outraged to be treated similarly.

 

Senators Okay With Spying On Citizens, But Outraged It Happened To Congress

Hmmm, is this more of the fabled outside of the two party system that you're so fond of telling us about?

 

Seems the link mentioned a conservative Senator who was pro-spying but nary a mention of that person from you. So typical. Just like the Feinstein-Rogers interview where you posted about Feinstein but not the republican.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Langston Hughes

[FiredMotorCompany]

Hmmm, is this more of the fabled outside of the two party system that you're so fond of telling us about?

 

Seems the link mentioned a conservative Senator who was pro-spying but nary a mention of that person from you. So typical. Just like the Feinstein-Rogers interview where you posted about Feinstein but not the republican.

Can't see the forest for the trees, eh?

[Langston Hughes]

Cant see the forest for the partisan trees.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Cant see the forest for the partisan trees.

You really can't see past the end of your nose.

The article was selected because Senator Feinstein spoke out against the spying. It also referred to Lindsey Graham ® as declaring a potential war.

 

So your assertions of party politics is in vain. If Feinstein had kept her mouth shut, I doubt the press would have even covered Graham's comments.

 

The point of the article and my comment was the sudden dislike of spying..........when THEY were being spied on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Swing and a miss.

[Langston Hughes]

You really can't see past the end of your nose.

The article was selected because Senator Feinstein spoke out against the spying. It also referred to Lindsey Graham ® as declaring a potential war.

 

So your assertions of party politics is in vain. If Feinstein had kept her mouth shut, I doubt the press would have even covered Graham's comments.

 

The point of the article and my comment was the sudden dislike of spying..........when THEY were being spied on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Swing and a miss.

The point of your linking to it was to bash Feinstein, just like the last time you ignored the conservative in the link. If you wanted to go after everyone you would have done it, but you did not.

 

Look, I understand the point. Things have gotten out of hand. It was okay when it was mostly Muslims but now it's you too, that shit has to stop.

[FiredMotorCompany]

The point of your linking to it was to bash Feinstein, just like the last time you ignored the conservative in the link. If you wanted to go after everyone you would have done it, but you did not.

 

Look, I understand the point. Things have gotten out of hand. It was okay when it was mostly Muslims but now it's you too, that shit has to stop.

I missed the "Bashing" part. It looked to me that the story was about the senators outrage that she and other senators were the subject of spying.

 

how is that bashing?

 

Maybe you can cite what you are alluding to.

 

Strike two.

[Langston Hughes]

You did read your comments with the link right? You didn't have a ghost writer or another personality do it did you?

 

Then you do understand that you directed your ire towards one Senator in particular, or do you not understand what you wrote?

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

You gotta love the irony.

Dianne Feinstein had no problem with the NSA/CIA spying. Until SHE was spied on.

 

Oh, I get it. Spying on American citizens is a good thing, as long as they're not congressmen/congresswomen, aka, the elite.

 

Us peons ain't got no expectation of privacy........but the "elected" representatives are outraged to be treated similarly.

 

 

Senators Okay With Spying On Citizens, But Outraged It Happened To Congress

 

 

 

You did read your comments with the link right? You didn't have a ghost writer or another personality do it did you?

 

Then you do understand that you directed your ire towards one Senator in particular, or do you not understand what you wrote?

Ok. Re-read the comments I made.

 

I was referring to her because she was the one who made the comment. Not bashing. Just read the article.

 

 

You seem desperate to avoid addressing the crux of the story. Senators were content for the government to spy on the average American.....until they were spied on.

[Langston Hughes]

Ok. Re-read the comments I made.

 

I was referring to her because she was the one who made the comment. Not bashing. Just read the article.

 

 

You seem desperate to avoid addressing the crux of the story. Senators were content for the government to spy on the average American.....until they were spied on.

No. I addressed it already.

[FiredMotorCompany]

No. I addressed it already.

Not when you went out of your way to accuse me of bias, then you admit you addressed the point the article was cited for.

 

Did someone pour salt on a slug?

[Langston Hughes]

You did miss it.

 

However, I think that it's funny how people act, you included. It's always okay as long as it's someone else and not you/us. Like I said earlier, it was okay as long as it was just some Muslims but when it included you that shit has to stop.

 

Would it be correct to say that the government should not spy on anyone as it violates their rights, regardless if their citizens or not. If rights are endowed by a creator then they exist in all people equally correct?