Ted Cruz, running for President?

[phil1336]

Conveniently re-defining the title. Well they CERTAINLY wouldn't DARE to let his HIGHNESS be challenged on his claims.

I imagine the other "professors" felt just peachy-keen about their hard work, scholarly literature, degrees and accomplishments were made worthless since it took so little to earn such a title now.

Funny, The Village Idiot from Crawford TX, former President George W gets a Degree from Yale University as well as gets admission to the secret Skull & Bones Society thanks to his Fathers pull and connections and yet "Bush`s" Collegiate credentials are not questioned. The fact that he got into the Texas Air National Guard thanks to his Dad`s Political connections to avoid getting Drafted during the Vietnam "conflict" where there was a "Wait List" that was so long the War would have been over before they reached his name does`nt matter. The (fact) that he transfered from the TX Air National Guard to a neighboring Southern State, never showed up for Week-End Duty as required, know one ever remembers him serving at his new Installation, his Honorable Discharge too was a muddied coverup, the (fact) he was grounded as a Jet Pilot for his inability to safely land an aircraft and was sent back for retraining on a Cessna Prop Training Plane also is insignificant. Obama graduates from Harvard Law School where he was made"Editor" of the Prestigious "Harvard Law Review" is (not) note worthy. Just additional proof of Affirmative Action and Massachusetts Liberalism at work to make a Sub-par African American student (who just happens to be Half-White) means nothing. Your right, in America, Race, Color, National Origin, Ethnicity, Religion, means little to nothing. Its based on intellect, policy, principals, and character. Funny, most Conservative Republicans aren`t held to those same lofty standards. They are exempt from from everything as long as they pass the (complexion) test. Tired of Dems and Libs using the "Race Card", then simply removed it from the American Deck of Cards!

Edited August 22, 2013 by phil1336

[phil1336]

Actually Romney is a former governor and an accomplished CEO. Those are two things Obama didn't have going for him, at all. And the "Law Professor" thing would carry more weight, if Obama actually followed the law, rather than ignoring it as he has done (especially lately).

 

Obama could claim to have four years' experience as President. That is true. But, America's experience with him AS President wasn't something a white man would have been re-elected on.

 

(Edit) I didn't forget that Osama Bin Ladin was taken out. But, ANY President would have done that; even a President Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich.

Your a Hoot! You claim that no President could get elected to a second Term based on Obama`s 1st Term Record? The fact that George Bush was (never) legally elected but "installed" as President by our Supreme Court thanks to the urging of Florida Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris, forget that one? Based on George W`s accomplishments during his first Term, he deserved a 2nd Term? Getting into 2 unfunded Wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, loss of tens of thousands of American and Ally Troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent Civilians looking for WMD`s Weapons of Mass Destruction and Cheap Oil to help himself and his West Texas cronies was worth it? Putting America "trillions" of dollars in debt by fighting two unfunded Wars while reducing Taxes. Genius! Bet you and the rest of your Tea Bagger friends figure the massive National Debt went strictly for entitlements instead, huh? Perhaps you should look for the money with an audit of Halliburton`s Books on profits made through no-bid contracts! Your point that (any) President could have or would have taken out bin Laden, really? Why did`nt George W do it under his watch? Because the Bush Family had close ties to both Saudi Arabia, home of (all) the 911 Terrorists as well as close ties to the extended bin Laden Family as well. Did you forget on 911, when President George Bush grounded all civilian Air Traffic immediately after the 911 attack? Remember there was but (1) Charter Flight on Ryan Charter Air that was allowed permission to leave and take off? Guess who was on board. All of the extended bin Laden Family Members that were living here in the U.S. had safe passage back to Saudi Arabia. Your entitled to your own opinions, (Not) your own facts!

[RangerM]

Hyperbole much?

 

Osama Bin Ladin was taken out at a time when the previous 10 years' worth of efforts came to fruition. Obama happened to be President at the time. Had anyone else been President, I'd expect he/she would have acted in the same way.

 

Yes, that's an opinion.

 

As far as facts, Bush carried Florida by 537 votes, even if you include every recount performed AFTER the SCOTUS ruling. That is a fact, not an opinion.

Edited August 22, 2013 by RangerM

[FiredMotorCompany]

And you think po

 

Your a Hoot! You claim that no President could get elected to a second Term based on Obama`s 1st Term Record? The fact that George Bush was (never) legally elected but "installed" as President by our Supreme Court thanks to the urging of Florida Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris, forget that one?

I thought the Secretary of State had the final word on what is an official document or record? Are you a "birther" ?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Hyperbole much?

 

Osama Bin Ladin was taken out at a time when the previous 10 years' worth of efforts came to fruition. Obama happened to be President at the time. Had anyone else been President, I'd expect he/she would have acted in the same way.

 

Yes, that's an opinion.

 

As far as facts, Bush carried Florida by 537 votes, even if you include every recount performed AFTER the SCOTUS ruling. That is a fact, not an opinion.

So, Nixon landed man to the moon?

 

 

And there is no right to vote for president. The Electoral College does that. The states determine how the College will be selected, but it is their vote that counts.

 

What was the results of the Electoral College votes? Bush 271/Gore 266

 

You got your SCOTUS ruling and Bush got his.

Edited August 22, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[RangerM]

So, Nixon sent man to the moon?

I suppose Phil might think so.

[phil1336]

Chicago is a shining example of success so its natural to elect someone / people with extensive background in success to do the same for the nation.

No one really knows what that background is or amounts to in real terms but that is beside the point.

 

Like I have said before Carter was a dolt as president and to his credit he managed a state.

Obama is clueless and makes Carter look like a genius and that is hard to do.

Interesting, despite the fact that I`m sure that you are certified "Color Blind" and the fact the President Obama happens to be a few shades (darker) then your Idol, George W. Would you like to place a Major Wager on having both George W and Barack Obama take an IQ Test or attempt to gain entrance to the Mensa Society completing one of their pre-admission Tests? George W would be a fun Guy to have at a BBQ, Drinking Beer, doing a few lines of Coke and smoking a few Joints but intellect, really? Bet is IQ is smaller then his waist measurement and he`s not a very heavy set Guy! Carter got hit with a Gasoline Embargo, Gasoline Rationing, LOng Lines at the Gas Pumps, the highest Inflation and Interest rates in our Modern history. All under his Administration, correct. All due to his failings or that of his Cabinet? You know as I, Heavy is The Head That Wears The Crown. THe Office of the Presidency is larger then who ever the Man or Woman who sits in the Chair behind the Desk in the Oval Office. You take both the credit and blame for many things and issues that you had no control over or just happen to happen under their watch. George W doing a ceremonious Fly-Over New Orleans days after Hurricane struck and FEMA was ill prepared to cope with helping whatsoever, George W brags and tells his FEMA appointee, "Brownie" you done one hell of a job". Nice seeing you did give former President Carter some credit for being former Gov of the State of Georgia. Isn`t that the same State that Congressman Paul Broun represents? Congressman Broun, a licensed and practicing MD who happens to be on the Science and Research Sub--Committee Panel was quote as saying the Evolution is a Conspiracy created in the Bowels of Hell. Care to be treated by a Physician with that type of "intellect"?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Interesting, despite the fact that I`m sure that you are certified "Color Blind" and the fact the President Obama happens to be a few shades (darker) then your Idol, George W. Would you like to place a Major Wager on having both George W and Barack Obama take an IQ Test or attempt to gain entrance to the Mensa Society completing one of their pre-admission Tests? George W would be a fun Guy to have at a BBQ, Drinking Beer, doing a few lines of Coke and smoking a few Joints but intellect, really? Bet is IQ is smaller then his waist measurement and he`s not a very heavy set Guy! Carter got hit with a Gasoline Embargo, Gasoline Rationing, LOng Lines at the Gas Pumps, the highest Inflation and Interest rates in our Modern history. All under his Administration, correct. All due to his failings or that of his Cabinet? You know as I, Heavy is The Head That Wears The Crown. THe Office of the Presidency is larger then who ever the Man or Woman who sits in the Chair behind the Desk in the Oval Office. You take both the credit and blame for many things and issues that you had no control over or just happen to happen under their watch. George W doing a ceremonious Fly-Over New Orleans days after Hurricane struck and FEMA was ill prepared to cope with helping whatsoever, George W brags and tells his FEMA appointee, "Brownie" you done one hell of a job". Nice seeing you did give former President Carter some credit for being former Gov of the State of Georgia. Isn`t that the same State that Congressman Paul Broun represents? Congressman Broun, a licensed and practicing MD who happens to be on the Science and Research Sub--Committee Panel was quote as saying the Evolution is a Conspiracy created in the Bowels of Hell. Care to be treated by a Physician with that type of "intellect"?

Actually, I'd be satisfied to see Obama school records. We've seen plenty of Bush's.*

 

 

 

*-Interestingly, Al Gore graded lower on Natural Sciences than his other subjects, but now claims to be an expert on the subject.

Edited August 22, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[phil1336]

Actually, not so factual nor True. I lived at ground zero in Palm Beach County where this whole thing started from. Under Katherine Harris`s direction as Secretary of the State of Florida, a Sarasota, FL Republican loyalist, she directed and insisted that both the Florida Supreme Court as well as the US Supreme Court (NOT) allow the Palm Beach County Voting Board to continue to examine the questionable Voting Cards filled with so called "hanging Chads`. Another fact that 99% of the Country doesn`t realize, is that the Precinct that the (majority) of the questionable Voting Cards came from was from were collected from a Senior Elderly Community (Century Village) in WPB where 10`s of thousands of mostly aged Jewish Voters who accidentally Voted for Pat Buchanan, not a likely choice, would you say? Katherine Harris was more concerned about having Florida Vote certified by the deadline required by Federal Law then asking for an extension to get it right, wonder why? Gore actually (did) Win the National Popular Vote. Perhaps that is why Conservative Republicans are so excited about getting rid of the Electoral College? With that gone, adding gerrymandering and voter suppression laws, despite the growing Minority Majority, the GOP figures they will still be able to steal elections for the privileged ultra rich along with their poor white supporters from the Deep (post racial) South for generations to come. Thats Democracy?

Hyperbole much?

 

Osama Bin Ladin was taken out at a time when the previous 10 years' worth of efforts came to fruition. Obama happened to be President at the time. Had anyone else been President, I'd expect he/she would have acted in the same way.

 

Yes, that's an opinion.

 

As far as facts, Bush carried Florida by 537 votes, even if you include every recount performed AFTER the SCOTUS ruling. That is a fact, not an opinion.

[RangerM]

Actually, not so factual nor True. I lived at ground zero in Palm Beach County where this whole thing started from. Under Katherine Harris`s direction as Secretary of the State of Florida, a Sarasota, FL Republican loyalist, she directed and insisted that both the Florida Supreme Court as well as the US Supreme Court (NOT) allow the Palm Beach County Voting Board to continue to examine the questionable Voting Cards filled with so called "hanging Chads`. Another fact that 99% of the Country doesn`t realize, is that the Precinct that the (majority) of the questionable Voting Cards came from was from were collected from a Senior Elderly Community (Century Village) in WPB where 10`s of thousands of mostly aged Jewish Voters who accidentally Voted for Pat Buchanan, not a likely choice, would you say? Katherine Harris was more concerned about having Florida Vote certified by the deadline required by Federal Law then asking for an extension to get it right, wonder why? Gore actually (did) Win the National Popular Vote. Perhaps that is why Conservative Republicans are so excited about getting rid of the Electoral College? With that gone, adding gerrymandering and voter suppression laws, despite the growing Minority Majority, the GOP figures they will still be able to steal elections for the privileged ultra rich along with their poor white supporters from the Deep (post racial) South for generations to come. Thats Democracy?

My (and your) opinion of the voting cards from anywhere in Florida is (are) inconsequential.

 

Can.....you....PLEASE....provide.....a......single....vote.....count.....performed....during...the....2001.....Presidential....election....that....fell.....in.....Gore's.....favor?

 

If not, then what fact(s) are you citing when you say Bush lost?

[FiredMotorCompany]

My (and your) opinion of the voting cards from anywhere in Florida is (are) inconsequential.

 

Can.....you....PLEASE....provide.....a......single....vote.....count.....performed....during...the....2001.....Presidential....election....that....fell.....in.....Gore's.....favor?

 

If not, then what fact(s) are you citing when you say Bush lost?

He's a birther! He doesn't accept the official position of the Secretary Of State of Florida so Hawaii is just as suspicious.

[phil1336]

He's a birther! He doesn't accept the official position of the Secretary Of State of Florida so Hawaii is just as suspicious.

Really, Our Chief Birther`s in residence on record are both Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and "The Donald". When Mr Trump was asked recently about Ted Cruz`s Citizenship (Duel) U.S. and Canadian, Born in Canada to an American born Mother: ae: Barack Obama`s Mother, he stuttered and became uncomfortable attempting to explain why he did`nt question Ted Cruz`s elegibility as a Legal Naturalized Citizen who could be President but Cruz`s Citizenship Issues were more cloudy then Obama`s. That was (until) he renounced his Canadian Duel Citizenship. I don`t believe that President Obama was ever accused of holding Duel Citizenship with Kenya? Perhaps its because Mr Trump considers Canada a primarily Caucasian Nation and Kenya, not so much? OK for Cruz to convert from Catholic to Southern Baptist Protestant but Obama...did he ever Convert from Moslem to Christian? Guess being a mixed race White Cuban needs less scrutiny then being a mixed race African American who`s Mothers Family were are Milk White Kansans. Damn, we (are) Post Racial, not get over it!

[phil1336]

My (and your) opinion of the voting cards from anywhere in Florida is (are) inconsequential.

 

Can.....you....PLEASE....provide.....a......single....vote.....count.....performed....during...the....2001.....Presidential....election....that....fell.....in.....Gore's.....favor?

 

If not, then what fact(s) are you citing when you say Bush lost?

Ranger: Lets end this madness once and for all! Assuming you can read, count, and have access to the Internet. kindly check the Federal Election Commissions Web Site and get your "FACTS" correct. Final Count after the SPOTUS stopped the process and "awarded" the Presidency to George W Bush.

 

Popular Vote Totals:

Al Gore 50,999,897 48.38% of Popular Vote

George W Bush 50,456,002 47.87% of Popular Vote

 

Kindly check with Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Make Savage, Neil Bork, Laura Ingram or Shawn Hannity and return with a Valid Correct Number!

Edited August 22, 2013 by phil1336

[FiredMotorCompany]

Really, Our Chief Birther`s in residence on record are both Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and "The Donald". When Mr Trump was asked recently about Ted Cruz`s Citizenship (Duel) U.S. and Canadian, Born in Canada to an American born Mother: ae: Barack Obama`s Mother, he stuttered and became uncomfortable attempting to explain why he did`nt question Ted Cruz`s elegibility as a Legal Naturalized Citizen who could be President but Cruz`s Citizenship Issues were more cloudy then Obama`s. That was (until) he renounced his Canadian Duel Citizenship. I don`t believe that President Obama was ever accused of holding Duel Citizenship with Kenya? Perhaps its because Mr Trump considers Canada a primarily Caucasian Nation and Kenya, not so much? OK for Cruz to convert from Catholic to Southern Baptist Protestant but Obama...did he ever Convert from Moslem to Christian? Guess being a mixed race White Cuban needs less scrutiny then being a mixed race African American who`s Mothers Family were are Milk White Kansans. Damn, we (are) Post Racial, not get over it!

Mixed metaphors?

 

You refuse to accept the Secretary Of State of Florida's official stance, but are you equally critical of Hawaii's?

[grbeck]

Actually your both right and wrong. Ford did do it to slow attrition but he also stated that he wanted to increase wages so the workers would be able to afford the product they made. If your buying the product you make then you will do a better job in terms of quality right. a double win. And everyone has read that Forbes artlcle.

 

Now where your wrong is in the fact that much of the 5 dollar day has to do with a very strange and pretty evil social engineering experiment that Ford conducted. To receive the 5 dollars, you had to be married, you had to meet a certain number of criteria and you had to lead what Hank though of as a clean life. The company had a dept that would come around and check up on you.

 

See that's the problem with the Forbes article is that Ford did a number of things that had little to do with making money and more to do with his own beliefs. To suggest that he did it all for money is not in line with what Henry Ford was completely about.

 

Requiring workers to meet certain criteria to be eligible for the $5-a-day wage is hardly "evil." If workers didn't like this, they were free to work somewhere else. It was Ford's company, so he was free to run it as he saw fit.

 

In those days, a family could be left destitute if the father, who was usually the primary wage earner, spent most of his paycheck on gambling, drinks or prostitutes (this happened to a cousin of my grandmother in the 1920s). Ford was attempting to address a real problem at that time.

Edited August 22, 2013 by grbeck

[grbeck]

Ranger: Lets end this madness once and for all! Assuming you can read, count, and have access to the Internet. kindly check the Federal Election Commissions Web Site and get your "FACTS" correct. Final Count after the SPOTUS stopped the process and "awarded" the Presidency to George W Bush.

 

Popular Vote Totals:

Al Gore 50,999,897 48.38% of Popular Vote

George W Bush 50,456,002 47.87% of Popular Vote

 

Kindly check with Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Make Savage, Neil Bork, Laura Ingram or Shawn Hannity and return with a Valid Correct Number!

RangerM was talking about the vote count in FLORIDA. Last time I checked, Florida does not have over 100 million registered voters.

 

You also might want to familiarize yourself with something called the "Electoral College," how it ultimately decides which candidate wins the presidential election, and then study the results of the election of 1876.

[FiredMotorCompany]

I don`t believe that President Obama was ever accused of holding Duel Citizenship with Kenya?

No. Only single citizenship with Kenya....or Indonesia if his school record is accurate.

 

 

 

OK for Cruz to convert from Catholic to Southern Baptist Protestant but Obama...did he ever Convert from Moslem to Christian?

Not a lot of evidence, if he did. He did attend a "Christian" church for 20 years, but didn't know what the preacher had been saying, so it seems he didn't convert to those Christian beliefs.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Ranger: Lets end this madness once and for all! Assuming you can read, count, and have access to the Internet. kindly check the Federal Election Commissions Web Site and get your "FACTS" correct. Final Count after the SPOTUS stopped the process and "awarded" the Presidency to George W Bush.

 

Popular Vote Totals:

Al Gore 50,999,897 48.38% of Popular Vote

George W Bush 50,456,002 47.87% of Popular Vote

 

Kindly check with Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Make Savage, Neil Bork, Laura Ingram or Shawn Hannity and return with a Valid Correct Number!

Please cite the federal code or law that specifically determines the popular vote elects the president.

Geesh! This was well covered.

 

The Electoral College results were:

Bush 271

Gore 266

 

271 needed to win. Bush elected!

 

 

And the same circumstances have happened twice before. 1876 and 1888

 

Read more here

Edited August 22, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[RangerM]

Ranger: Lets end this madness once and for all! Assuming you can read...

I can read

Ranger: Lets end this madness once and for all! Assuming you can....count.....

I can count.

....Popular Vote Totals.....

This is not how a Presidential election vote is counted.

 

Maybe this will help......

 

Edited August 22, 2013 by RangerM

[phil1336]

My (and your) opinion of the voting cards from anywhere in Florida is (are) inconsequential.

 

Can.....you....PLEASE....provide.....a......single....vote.....count.....performed....during...the....2001.....Presidential....election....that....fell.....in.....Gore's.....favor?

 

If not, then what fact(s) are you citing when you say Bush lost?

Ranger, Interesting but very predictable. It was (you) that previously Posted that in the 2001 Presidential Election you wanted to be shown evidence that Gore had received more "Popular" Vote to secure his Win. No mention was made that the "Popular" Vote was from Florida alone! Now that the "Facts" don`t support your premiss, you (now) what to give me a Tutorial on the Electoral College and how their Vote ultimately determines the Winner, not the Popular Vote. Nice try to deflect and back away from what you originally Posted. Recheck what you stated. Please provide me with a single Vote Count that would have indicated that Gore received a larger "Popular" Vote. Now, you want to limit your Popular Vote to the Counties in the State of Florida or switch over to how our Electoral College determines the actually outcome an winner? Just a coincidence that number one on the Republicans agenda for 2016 is to modify or eliminate the current way Electoral Votes are distributed, counted, and tabulated. Again, whatever it takes to secure a Win regardless of the will of the General populace. Increase gerrymandering, pass more Voter Suppression Laws, and you just might accomplish your goal. Congratulations, your home Sate of North Carolina leads the Nation is new Voter Suppression Legislation until the Federal Election Commission and Federal Courts overturn them. The one thing the South (won`t) bring back is Literacy Tests. Poll Tax, maybe, restrictive acceptable Voter Photo ID`s, perhaps. Better watch a bit more Duck Dynasty, TX Wild Boar Hunters, Cajun Bayou Gator Boys, Kentucky Backwoods Moonshiners and my personal favorite, Honey Boo Boo and Family and see if (your) Base is going to be able to pass the same Jim Crow literacy tests, LOL!

[phil1336]

No. Only single citizenship with Kenya....or Indonesia if his school record is accurate.

 

 

Not a lot of evidence, if he did. He did attend a "Christian" church for 20 years, but didn't know what the preacher had been saying, so it seems he didn't convert to those Christian beliefs.

KIndly explain to me why Ted Cruz being Born in Canada with his Mother being a US Citizen differs from Obama being born in Hawaii who`s Mother just happened to be also an American Citizen and Caucasian as well. You and Donald Trump are using a different "litmus" Test on Cruz then Obama? Oh, I get it, his Hawaiian Birth Certificate is not as authenticated as Ted Cruz`s Canadian Birth Certificate, is that it? Where is your proof that Obama held either Duel or Triple Citizenship with either Kenya or Indonesia or both perhaps as well as being an American Citizen by virtue of his Mother being an American Citizen? America recognized "Duel Citizenship" with Canada and they with us. Obama would never had to renounce his alleged Kenyan Citizenship or Indonesian Citizenship because it would`nt have been recognized as Legal by any of those 3 Nations. Say hello to Joe Arpaio for me when you guys get together for your next "Round Table" Discussion on more Obama conspiracy matters. Hope Donald Trump is in town to participate as well. Both you and Ranger are a Hoot! Keep throwing Mud up on the wall and you figure eventually something will stick, huh? Have fun, I`m losing interest with this so called debate. I learned years ago never to argue with Drunks nor Fools. I`m assuming both of your Gentleman are "sober", not so sure on where your other Facts or Allegations come from. Fox News, perhaps? I`ll chime in on future topics of interest but I`ll let you Guys have the last word on this one. If you can aquire a Ticket to the 2015 Republican Presidential Convention, I`d love to get hold of a Ticket. Should be funnier then the last one in Tampa where Clint Eastwood (stole) the show with his "mindless" rant. Bring back Monty Phython and the Holy Grail as well as Benny Hill.

[RangerM]

Ranger, Interesting but very predictable. It was (you) that previously Posted that in the 2001 Presidential Election you wanted to be shown evidence that Gore had received more "Popular" Vote to secure his Win. No mention was made that the "Popular" Vote was from Florida alone! Now that the "Facts" don`t support your premiss, you (now) what to give me a Tutorial on the Electoral College and how their Vote ultimately determines the Winner, not the Popular Vote. Nice try to deflect and back away from what you originally Posted. Recheck what you stated.

Then let me apologize for failing to be literal enough for you to understand my meaning. Here are the facts, if you care to dispute any of them.

 

Fact: Bush lost the popular vote.

Fact: The popular vote doesn't matter, the Electoral College process does.

Fact: Bush won the Presidency under the Electoral College process laid out under our Constitution.

Fact: There was NEVER any vote count (performed by any governing body, media outlet, or a guy from South Florida) that resulted in Bush losing the Electoral College majority.

 

If you still wish to maintain that I'm simply opining, then you may want to step back and take a breath. Rinse and Repeat.

[phil1336]

If you say so. Change and correct what your (really) meant at will. I understand. I`ll immediately re-program my V-Chip on all my Televisions and make sure that for news coverage, only Fox News will from this point on be my only source, and you of course as well. I, despite disagreeing with someone`s position and opinion, I can agree to disagree unlike most from the Far Right! I know you are someone that is "Fair and Balanced". Where have I heard that before?

Then let me apologize for failing to be literal enough for you to understand my meaning. Here are the facts, if you care to dispute any of them.

 

Fact: Bush lost the popular vote.

Fact: The popular vote doesn't matter, the Electoral College process does.

Fact: Bush won the Presidency under the Electoral College process laid out under our Constitution.

Fact: There was NEVER any vote count (performed by any governing body, media outlet, or a guy from South Florida) that resulted in Bush losing the Electoral College majority.

 

If you still wish to maintain that I'm simply opining, then you may want to step back and take a breath. Rinse and Repeat.

[cal50]

Interesting, despite the fact that I`m sure that you are certified "Color Blind" and the fact the President Obama happens to be a few shades (darker) then your Idol, George W. Would you like to place a Major Wager on having both George W and Barack Obama take an IQ Test or attempt to gain entrance to the Mensa Society completing one of their pre-admission Tests? George W would be a fun Guy to have at a BBQ, Drinking Beer, doing a few lines of Coke and smoking a few Joints but intellect, really? Bet is IQ is smaller then his waist measurement and he`s not a very heavy set Guy! Carter got hit with a Gasoline Embargo, Gasoline Rationing, LOng Lines at the Gas Pumps, the highest Inflation and Interest rates in our Modern history. All under his Administration, correct. All due to his failings or that of his Cabinet? You know as I, Heavy is The Head That Wears The Crown. THe Office of the Presidency is larger then who ever the Man or Woman who sits in the Chair behind the Desk in the Oval Office. You take both the credit and blame for many things and issues that you had no control over or just happen to happen under their watch. George W doing a ceremonious Fly-Over New Orleans days after Hurricane struck and FEMA was ill prepared to cope with helping whatsoever, George W brags and tells his FEMA appointee, "Brownie" you done one hell of a job". Nice seeing you did give former President Carter some credit for being former Gov of the State of Georgia. Isn`t that the same State that Congressman Paul Broun represents? Congressman Broun, a licensed and practicing MD who happens to be on the Science and Research Sub--Committee Panel was quote as saying the Evolution is a Conspiracy created in the Bowels of Hell. Care to be treated by a Physician with that type of "intellect"?

 

 

You stated you still smoke weed so you should stick with what you are good at and go burn one.

Your long vowel movements might make sense to someone buzzed or liberal but you jump all over the place and make little sense.

 

Bush was FAR from being a conservative president and had little to no domestic policies but focused on threats to the US. He might have put the planes nose in a dive but Obama hit the full afterburners from Bush's vector.

Obama has done more damage to the nations financial well being than "W" and a persons IQ has little to do with it. Carter was still a huge failure but if you are trying to defend the moon bat it explains your cheer-leading for Obama.

 

Bush was not great , Obama is far worse and Carter is likely laughing his ass off daily.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Your a Hoot! You claim that no President could get elected to a second Term based on Obama`s 1st Term Record? The fact that George Bush was (never) legally elected but "installed" as President by our Supreme Court thanks to the urging of Florida Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris, forget that one? Based on George W`s accomplishments during his first Term, he deserved a 2nd Term? Getting into 2 unfunded Wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, loss of tens of thousands of American and Ally Troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent Civilians looking for WMD`s Weapons of Mass Destruction and Cheap Oil to help himself and his West Texas cronies was worth it? Putting America "trillions" of dollars in debt by fighting two unfunded Wars while reducing Taxes. Genius! Bet you and the rest of your Tea Bagger friends figure the massive National Debt went strictly for entitlements instead, huh? Perhaps you should look for the money with an audit of Halliburton`s Books on profits made through no-bid contracts! Your point that (any) President could have or would have taken out bin Laden, really? Why did`nt George W do it under his watch? Because the Bush Family had close ties to both Saudi Arabia, home of (all) the 911 Terrorists as well as close ties to the extended bin Laden Family as well. Did you forget on 911, when President George Bush grounded all civilian Air Traffic immediately after the 911 attack? Remember there was but (1) Charter Flight on Ryan Charter Air that was allowed permission to leave and take off? Guess who was on board. All of the extended bin Laden Family Members that were living here in the U.S. had safe passage back to Saudi Arabia. Your entitled to your own opinions, (Not) your own facts!

 

You refuse to accept the official determination of Katherine Harris, and charge Bush was "installed. I am challenging you on the question of accepting Hawaii's Sec. Of State's official Birth certificate.

You and I agree in some areas, in general. But, it seems we are supposed to accept Court Orders, Secretary Of State determinations and such without question. Where I have a problem is you aren't making similar accusations regarding Obama's Birth Certificate, that certainly was staged to be a show, intentionally by the Administration.

 

And you think po

 

I thought the Secretary of State had the final word on what is an official document or record? Are you a "birther" ?

Here again, I was attempting to get you to be as cynical of Obama as you were of Bush.

 

He's a birther! He doesn't accept the official position of the Secretary Of State of Florida so Hawaii is just as suspicious.

 

 

Really, Our Chief Birther`s in residence on record are both Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and "The Donald". When Mr Trump was asked recently about Ted Cruz`s Citizenship (Duel) U.S. and Canadian, Born in Canada to an American born Mother: ae: Barack Obama`s Mother, he stuttered and became uncomfortable attempting to explain why he did`nt question Ted Cruz`s elegibility as a Legal Naturalized Citizen who could be President but Cruz`s Citizenship Issues were more cloudy then Obama`s. That was (until) he renounced his Canadian Duel Citizenship. I don`t believe that President Obama was ever accused of holding Duel Citizenship with Kenya? Perhaps its because Mr Trump considers Canada a primarily Caucasian Nation and Kenya, not so much? OK for Cruz to convert from Catholic to Southern Baptist Protestant but Obama...did he ever Convert from Moslem to Christian? Guess being a mixed race White Cuban needs less scrutiny then being a mixed race African American who`s Mothers Family were are Milk White Kansans. Damn, we (are) Post Racial, not get over it!

That is the statement that I was addressing. And not that I was advocating the charges, only the charges were made.

The second response below was directly aimed at your "Convert from Muslim to Christian" comment.

 

No. Only single citizenship with Kenya....or Indonesia if his school record is accurate.

 

 

Not a lot of evidence, if he did. He did attend a "Christian" church for 20 years, but didn't know what the preacher had been saying, so it seems he didn't convert to those Christian beliefs.

 

 

KIndly explain to me why Ted Cruz being Born in Canada with his Mother being a US Citizen differs from Obama being born in Hawaii who`s Mother just happened to be also an American Citizen and Caucasian as well. You and Donald Trump are using a different "litmus" Test on Cruz then Obama? Oh, I get it, his Hawaiian Birth Certificate is not as authenticated as Ted Cruz`s Canadian Birth Certificate, is that it? Where is your proof that Obama held either Duel or Triple Citizenship with either Kenya or Indonesia or both perhaps as well as being an American Citizen by virtue of his Mother being an American Citizen? America recognized "Duel Citizenship" with Canada and they with us. Obama would never had to renounce his alleged Kenyan Citizenship or Indonesian Citizenship because it would`nt have been recognized as Legal by any of those 3 Nations. Say hello to Joe Arpaio for me when you guys get together for your next "Round Table" Discussion on more Obama conspiracy matters. Hope Donald Trump is in town to participate as well. Both you and Ranger are a Hoot! Keep throwing Mud up on the wall and you figure eventually something will stick, huh? Have fun, I`m losing interest with this so called debate. I learned years ago never to argue with Drunks nor Fools. I`m assuming both of your Gentleman are "sober", not so sure on where your other Facts or Allegations come from. Fox News, perhaps? I`ll chime in on future topics of interest but I`ll let you Guys have the last word on this one. If you can aquire a Ticket to the 2015 Republican Presidential Convention, I`d love to get hold of a Ticket. Should be funnier then the last one in Tampa where Clint Eastwood (stole) the show with his "mindless" rant. Bring back Monty Phython and the Holy Grail as well as Benny Hill.

I don't know. Has his Birth Certificate been presented? The difference is there is little question he has dual citizenship. US AND Canada. Where Obama has questions that haven't been fully answered, though most have just given up, regarding how he attended Indonesian schools or traveled on a US passport to a country where US citizens were banned. Granted, the age of this dispute has allowed my memory of details to fade somewhat. And I welcome citations where these issues were clearly resolved.

 

 

I am not all too excited by the Cruz issue at this time. Either way. Any future campaign will hash this very well.