Langston Hughes Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 the union does not have to enroll in obama care. i heard that this may end next year. ford pays many millions in health care costs. you think ford does not want out of some of those bills..... we will soon have to enroll in obama care. then what? everyone i talk to thinks the uaw is safe from it. i don't thinkk so. we will lose even more money. Nothing like brilliance at it's finest. the very least you could do is know what your afraid of as is explained to you here. That is not my understanding of. "Obama Care". It, is not a substitute or an alternate for insurance, where employers can dump their employees. It is not insurance. It, is a law that governs minumum standards for insurance. It also enables and assist a persons search for insurance. That insurance is provided by the same insurance companies that currently sell and provide insurance. The goverment under "Obama Care" does not pay for your insurance. IT does, however provide subsidies for those whose incomes make it difficult to obtain or pay for insurance. Most will still pay for thier own insurance or will, in most cases, have employer paid insurance. Ford Autoworkers make to much money to qualify for these subsidies and would not need insurance through the insurance "exchanges" set up under "Obama care" (Actually The Affordble Care Act) because we get our health insurance, like most Americans, through our employer . Our insurance is provided by Ford as a contracted benefit that is part of our compensation. This will only change if the UAW allows Ford to walk away from this part of our compensation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'm in Ohio. Yesterday at the union meeting, the chairman spoke about the IUAW wanting to raise dues.....so the phone calls started. I wasn't surprised by the calls but I was a little surprised at what was said. A couple of people said that if the IUAW tries to raise our dues they will vote for Ohio to go Right To Work! One sister told me that we haven't had a raise in forever and she saw that the President, etc. got raises and she said that since the National Ford Department never responds to any problems (they tell you to take it up with your chairman) that they could kiss her ass.....lol Honestly, she was pissed off and had me absolutely rolling! But a lot of folks feel this way. I spoke to her about "beefing" up the strike fund and she said screw the strike fund! We won't go on strike. She said this would just give them more money to waste on giving their buddies jobs. Did I mention she was pissed off? lol I'm still chuckling about her reaction. I don't think someone up north has really thought this through. The people that were asking me about it are usually very quiet and don't make waves but they said this would bring us to nearly $100 per month and they're saying no way. As far as RTW, I blame the UAW for losing Michigan. What an embarrassment! We fought it and won it in Ohio but the Republicans (under Kasich and the Koch brothers) are going to try again. If they do this, they will cost us the state of Ohio as well. I've said that Solidarity House was being run by a bunch of buffoons.....they don't need to continuously prove me right! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 And the reason the strike fund is down is they keep diverting money for "organizing" and then appoint some sycophant chairman/president and assign him to "organizing"! It's the greatest boondoggle! This is done as a reward for screwing over the membership to the point that he won't get re-elected! Let's be honest here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This is a response from someone on facebook.......RTW has not added any jobs. Yes, I see for hire signs at fast food joints that is it! Yes, there hired at Flat Rock but I really want to know how many were really full hires and not transfer added on to a second shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/us-usa-autos-union-idUSTRE78L27R20110922 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Oh we've quite the discussion going! https://www.facebook.com/groups/241672912591075/546595782098785/?notif_t=group_comment_reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm in Ohio. Yesterday at the union meeting, the chairman spoke about the IUAW wanting to raise dues.....so the phone calls started. I wasn't surprised by the calls but I was a little surprised at what was said. A couple of people said that if the IUAW tries to raise our dues they will vote for Ohio to go Right To Work! One sister told me that we haven't had a raise in forever and she saw that the President, etc. got raises and she said that since the National Ford Department never responds to any problems (they tell you to take it up with your chairman) that they could kiss her ass.....lol Honestly, she was pissed off and had me absolutely rolling! But a lot of folks feel this way. I spoke to her about "beefing" up the strike fund and she said screw the strike fund! We won't go on strike. She said this would just give them more money to waste on giving their buddies jobs. Did I mention she was pissed off? lol I'm still chuckling about her reaction. I don't think someone up north has really thought this through. The people that were asking me about it are usually very quiet and don't make waves but they said this would bring us to nearly $100 per month and they're saying no way. As far as RTW, I blame the UAW for losing Michigan. What an embarrassment! We fought it and won it in Ohio but the Republicans (under Kasich and the Koch brothers) are going to try again. If they do this, they will cost us the state of Ohio as well. I've said that Solidarity House was being run by a bunch of buffoons.....they don't need to continuously prove me right! Yes, the answer to the UAW wanting to raise dues is to vote for RTW and to milk the rewards of all of the dues paying members without having to pay anything, NOT! I can understand the anger and the desire to tell the UAW to stick it in their ass but there has to be a more constructive way to do that. Lets be honest, as shitty as things have been with IUAW and as corrupt as they can get, our union is by far the most progressive and least corrupt. Everyone should read "Which Side Are You on?: Trying to Be for Labor When It's Flat on Its Back" before they look at our union and think they want what others have. Be really careful what you wish for. And as much as I would like a raise, would like to gain our concessions back, it's not lost on me when I look at others on the outside. We make the mistake of ONLY comparing ourselves to salary as they get bonus's and some benefits' back but I know i felt glad knowing that Ford started taking concessions from salary long before they got ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I would like for people to consider what could be a much more drastic problem than international giving themselves raises as you look at the locals and you see some locals paying their top officers as much as the Regional directors made last year. Region director Charles Hall's total disbursement last year was 142,000, his gross salary was 129,000 400's Fin. Sect/Treasurer in 2008 total disbursement was 149,000 and his gross salary was 120,000 Is something not out of order there? You should see what 600's officers make. They have 4 people making over $120,000 and yet our International vice presidents make less than 20,000 more than them? You think that a vice president of Ford motor company makes around $20,000 of what the plant manager makes? Strange how many of our union brothers talk shit about socialism including single payer, but then want some serious socialist shit to happen when it comes to their dues money. Yes, lets all work for the same money and no job is more important than any other. I'm a socialist so i'm cool with it, but I'm guessing that most of you would expect to be paid better than $175,000 a year in gross salary when your bargaining across the table from people making MILLIONS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 That is not my understanding of. "Obama Care". It, is not a substitute or an alternate for insurance, where employers can dump their employees. It is not insurance. It, is a law that governs minumum standards for insurance. It also enables and assist a persons search for insurance. That insurance is provided by the same insurance companies that currently sell and provide insurance. The goverment under "Obama Care" does not pay for your insurance. IT does, however provide subsidies for those whose incomes make it difficult to obtain or pay for insurance. Most will still pay for thier own insurance or will, in most cases, have employer paid insurance. Ford Autoworkers make to much money to qualify for these subsidies and would not need insurance through the insurance "exchanges" set up under "Obama care" (Actually The Affordble Care Act) because we get our health insurance, like most Americans, through our employer . Our insurance is provided by Ford as a contracted benefit that is part of our compensation. This will only change if the UAW allows Ford to walk away from this part of our compensation. after reading the last few lines of your post i really feel safe from obama care...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 after reading the last few lines of your post i really feel safe from obama care...... You should, it's not as if the ACA is a violent criminal. When's the last time you heard of the ACa breaking into homes and generally tearing up the place? That's the Patriot act your thinking of, and it's a bit of an aggressive one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newworld Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 after reading the last few lines of your post i really feel safe from obama care...... Explain your fears. Are you afraid of contract concessions that will make you pay for your own insurance? And what would any of that have to do with the Affordable Care Act. Please explain what it is about the Affordable Care Act that you are afraid of . I will tell you that I'm not a fan of the Affordable care act because I feel it was a sell out to the insurance industry. What are your concerns? Should YOUR employer Ford, have to just continued to subsidise the healthcre for the uninsured (example: Walmarts grossly uninsured who run to the emegency room everytime they need to see a doctor where the costs are spread out to all paying hospital patients) . All of our main foriegn competitors, Japan, Germany, most of Europe, etc etc. Have goverment involved universal health care. (The only equalizer is most of these competitors build in the U.S.). So, what specifically are your concerns? Your fears? or your disagreements with "Obama Care". As I have said, I to have issues with it. I feel it did not go far enough and was a sellout to the insurance industry lobby. It's current failures (not including the internet issues) are that those who wrote and supported this LAW did not sell it properly or explain it. They misled, some as well. Also, please correct any of my misunderstandings of this LAW. But PLEEEEAS do not quote any of these FOX news or talk radio crazies.And that goes for the crap from the left on MSNBC and other propaganda outlets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheetMetalJoe Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Recently received a phone survey about Unions, our dues, and my opinion on what the Union does or theoretically should do with our money. The final few questions were how I would feel if our dues were raised 1/3 of 1 percent. I responded with an answer of completely unsatisfied/unhappy, then had to fess up that it wouldn't affect me immediately since I'm sitting in MN on ILO. She ended the survey shortly after that, but heads-up current actives: math whizzes - figure out what 1/3 of 1 percent is and that is what you're looking at for a dues increase. well, if you make approximately $28.00/hr and the union takes 2 hours of pay per month, that is $56.00 per month. A 1/3 of one percent increase would be less than 20 cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Explain your fears. Are you afraid of contract concessions that will make you pay for your own insurance? And what would any of that have to do with the Affordable Care Act. Please explain what it is about the Affordable Care Act that you are afraid of . I will tell you that I'm not a fan of the Affordable care act because I feel it was a sell out to the insurance industry. What are your concerns? Should YOUR employer Ford, have to just continued to subsidise the healthcre for the uninsured (example: Walmarts grossly uninsured who run to the emegency room everytime they need to see a doctor where the costs are spread out to all paying hospital patients) . All of our main foriegn competitors, Japan, Germany, most of Europe, etc etc. Have goverment involved universal health care. (The only equalizer is most of these competitors build in the U.S.). So, what specifically are your concerns? Your fears? or your disagreements with "Obama Care". As I have said, I to have issues with it. I feel it did not go far enough and was a sellout to the insurance industry lobby. It's current failures (not including the internet issues) are that those who wrote and supported this LAW did not sell it properly or explain it. They misled, some as well. Also, please correct any of my misunderstandings of this LAW. But PLEEEEAS do not quote any of these FOX news or talk radio crazies.And that goes for the crap from the left on MSNBC and other propaganda outlets. is it constitutional for the government to force you to buy something?......NO! I served my country for 10 years, and to see this clown walk on our constitution and lie to us.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newworld Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) is it constitutional for the government to force you to buy something?......NO! I served my country for 10 years, and to see this clown walk on our constitution and lie to us.... Fair point. However I believe the Supreme court ruled that this mandate to be a tax. You do not "have to " buy insurance. If you choose not to you will have to pay a fine, this fine is what the Supreme court considered a tax. You have to pay taxes. But, I will give you that. A mandate is a mandate. Maybe the Goverment should not force you to buy insurance. Maybe a better solution would be to allow citizens to opt out. BUT if you choose to opt out, and have a heart attack or have cancer you will be on your own. No hospital should be forced to treat you until you pay upfront Ok? No more letting your fellow citizens bare the risk. By opting out you will take full responsibility, period. The problem with this concept is that some will agree...........until they get sick. Or, and this is usually the case, the ones who bitch the most about this mandate are the ones who don't have to worry about the mandate, such as a Ford worker who gets his Healthcare insurance through his employer. This forum is not here to Debate public policy. My only Ford related concern here was why do you, a Ford UAW covered worker, feel you may be forced off your employer/Ford sponsored insurance because of "Obama Care". I to have issues with the affordable care act. But this is not the forum to air them. sorry Blue Oval. P.S. The fine for those not insured is very low relative to the cost of insurance or the cost that fellow citizens incur when the uninsured seek healthcare. Edited November 14, 2013 by newworld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 well, if you make approximately $28.00/hr and the union takes 2 hours of pay per month, that is $56.00 per month. A 1/3 of one percent increase would be less than 20 cents... So how about getting the membership a per hour raise and then $2 raise on the hour and they would get a $4 per month increase in dues? Win win for everyone instead of just one side! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 So how about getting the membership a per hour raise and then $2 raise on the hour and they would get a $4 per month increase in dues? Win win for everyone instead of just one side! Because its easier to take the the dues directly from each employee / check regardless of wages. Everyone gave up benefits past contracts ( Xmas bonus, paid days off, funds to VEBA, etc.) yet our dues did not decrease as our benefits did. The membership gave up several things so the IUAW can suck it up as well IMHO until we actually get back the things we had and hopefully get a raise sometime. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Fair point. However I believe the Supreme court ruled that this mandate to be a tax. You do not "have to " buy insurance. If you choose not to you will have to pay a fine, this fine is what the Supreme court considered a tax. You have to pay taxes. But, I will give you that. A mandate is a mandate. Maybe the Goverment should not force you to buy insurance. Maybe a better solution would be to allow citizens to opt out. BUT if you choose to opt out, and have a heart attack or have cancer you will be on your own. No hospital should be forced to treat you until you pay upfront Ok? No more letting your fellow citizens bare the risk. By opting out you will take full responsibility, period. The problem with this concept is that some will agree...........until they get sick. Or, and this is usually the case, the ones who bitch the most about this mandate are the ones who don't have to worry about the mandate, such as a Ford worker who gets his Healthcare insurance through his employer. This forum is not here to Debate public policy. My only Ford related concern here was why do you, a Ford UAW covered worker, feel you may be forced off your employer/Ford sponsored insurance because of "Obama Care". I to have issues with the affordable care act. But this is not the forum to air them. sorry Blue Oval. P.S. The fine for those not insured is very low relative to the cost of insurance or the cost that fellow citizens incur when the uninsured seek healthcare. logic will tell you. ford is not going to keep paying for healthcare for employees when they can get out of it, or some of it, thru the unions. give you a 3k bonus and you now pay 5k more for health care. they will vote yes, like idiots. we will soon be on a program that the ones who force it on us (obama) and don't have to be on it......do as i say not as i do... i hope no one in this great country is proud of our leadership. it's a complete discrace!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newworld Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Well said, I can see it all as a way, to free all employers eventually. And some without raising wages to cover it. A transition that could take a decade or 2 but still something to think about. A major con job on the working class, one of many to come........if we let it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Ok, now this is something I heard from someone in the plant and I don't know how true it is and would appreciate anyone shedding light on it, is it true that the National Ford Director has substantially increased the manpower on staff in the National Ford Department? I had thought they were paring it down somewhat under King and then was told that it has been increased. If that is the case, what is the rationale? We have to do more with less! (rebalance). Why don't they? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 well, if you make approximately $28.00/hr and the union takes 2 hours of pay per month, that is $56.00 per month. A 1/3 of one percent increase would be less than 20 cents... 2 hours/174 hours work month. Currently 1.15%. Add in the 1/3 of a percent and it is now 1.48% or 2.58 hours per month. In dollars, this would equate to another $16 and change per month. This is how I would guess they would calculate it - I've not seen a formula. I don't think they would go through the motions for less than 20 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Explain your fears. Are you afraid of contract concessions that will make you pay for your own insurance? And what would any of that have to do with the Affordable Care Act. Please explain what it is about the Affordable Care Act that you are afraid of . Its simple math, just passing a law to mandate (tax) people to buy something does not make it more more accessible or affordable. If you could not afford it before just passing a law does not change those peoples ability to buy it before or now. You are in essence making everyone pay for the millions of people that pay little or nothing for coverage before the ACA or after its passage. That is similar to saying 30 million people can not buy a postage stamp so we will give them cost free stamps and somehow by handing out millions of free stamps my and everyone's postage will decrease somehow. Its impossible math. Eventually the price of all stamps rise to cover the giveaway. These never was a health care problem for providing it, controlling the costs IS the problem and Obama care does ZERO to address it. Employers are never forced into anything be it Ford or insurance companies, they simply pass the increase along to customers or it comes from wages & benefits. When insurance companies are mandated and forced to cover everything where do you think that money is coming from ? Eventually our coverage will increase at some point until we all pay lots more or the insurance carriers we have now drops out becasue they can not afford compliant coverage for the amount they are receiving. The millions of people that are getting cancelled is a direct result of Obamacare and the ACA. These are people that had and were paying for their own insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newworld Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Its simple math, just passing a law to mandate (tax) people to buy something does not make it more more accessible or affordable. If you could not afford it before just passing a law does not change those peoples ability to buy it before or now. You are in essence making everyone pay for the millions of people that pay little or nothing for coverage before the ACA or after its passage. That is similar to saying 30 million people can not buy a postage stamp so we will give them cost free stamps and somehow by handing out millions of free stamps my and everyone's postage will decrease somehow. Its impossible math. Eventually the price of all stamps rise to cover the giveaway. These never was a health care problem for providing it, controlling the costs IS the problem and Obama care does ZERO to address it. Employers are never forced into anything be it Ford or insurance companies, they simply pass the increase along to customers or it comes from wages & benefits. When insurance companies are mandated and forced to cover everything where do you think that money is coming from ? Eventually our coverage will increase at some point until we all pay lots more or the insurance carriers we have now drops out becasue they can not afford compliant coverage for the amount they are receiving. The millions of people that are getting cancelled is a direct result of Obamacare and the ACA. These are people that had and were paying for their own insurance I think I'll just pass on this one.................No to a DUES increase!!!!!!! Edited November 16, 2013 by newworld 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long forker DTP FINAL Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I think I'll just pass on this one.................No to a DUES increase!!!!!!! If the IUAW raise's my dues I will STOP paying them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If the IUAW raise's my dues I will STOP paying them. If you get crappy food or service at a restaurant its easy to avoid, paying dues not so much. The UAW has the benefit of a captive audience with mandatory membership and dues collected. With "Right to Work" popping up it should be a wake up call for the IUAW to listen to and actually sever its members. I do not trust the company OR the union 100% but in the past several contacts I feel the membership is getting double teamed by the UAW & the company. No one enjoys paying for this feeling. When a large segment of your own members is not pleased good luck organizing ANY competitor. As to any rumored dues increase the IUAW would have a LOT of balls trying to float or justify it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigphish Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 When the uaw members in michigan can stop paying dues, iuaw is in for a rude awakening. They have no one blame but themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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