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Congress has no option: Michigan triggers Article V Constitutional Convention

 

 

LANSING, Mich., April 4, 2014– Michigan’s recently passed resolution calling for an Article V convention of the states to amend the federal Constitution may have been the catalyst to finally put the process in motion. At the magic number of 34, Michigan joins multiple other states that have successfully passed a resolution calling for a federal balanced budget amendment (BBA). Tennessee passed its BBA resolution only a couple weeks before Michigan.

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Edited April 5, 2014 by fmccap

[Langston Hughes]

Congress has no option: Michigan triggers Article V Constitutional Convention

 

 

 

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/02/rare-option-forcing-congress-to-meet-change-constitution-gains-momentum/

 

it's funny that you guys expect it all to go your way. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.

Edited April 5, 2014 by Langston Hughes

[phil1336]

Hopefully, all you "Patriots" especially (Non-Veteran) Patriots will soon join your local Militia and so we be can anticipate yet another Civil War. This time it won`t be over Slavery or simply States Rights which of course included keeping Slavery legalized. Obama will soon be gone, got it? But the Supreme Court which just hand a mere 591 Billionaire and Multi-Millionaire`s the right to contribute unlimited monies to continue to "Buy" future elections does`nt seem bother most of you low intelligent Fox News watchers. Just keep dwelling on Wealth Redistribution as if any of you Teabaggers have any (wealth) to re-distributed and keep fretting about being (forced) to buy Health Insurance or pay a Fine thanks to the Affordable HealthCare Act, better known as RomneyCare. This Civil War won`t be be between the Union and the Confederacy, no, it will be "geographically fought more or less along the same lines but this time it will simply be Red States versus Blue States, enjoy! As if the Citizens United award declaring that Corporations are people too was`nt bad enough creating Super Pac`s, now the super wealthy are no longer limited to giving individually to a maximum of 18 Candidates, now unlimited! Why put Politicians on the Ballot? Lets eliminate the "middleman" and just elect Lobbyist for the rich and Corporate America. Get rid of Unions, make (all) 50 Staes, Right to Work States and try living on your Part-Time $7.93 @ hr minimum wage job with (zero) benefits. Better to worry about "Socialism". PS What time is Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty being aired?

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

 

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opinion/utah-valley/get-it-right-article-five-convention---a-bad/article_490ded8e-9df3-563a-94ec-2beef6c6ed10.html

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/02/rare-option-forcing-congress-to-meet-change-constitution-gains-momentum/

 

it's funny that you guys expect it all to go your way. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.

As long as we have you and your ilk, that'll never happen.

[Imawhosure]

I find it really kind of funny, that someone is now threatening the "process," by telling everyone that "he hopes we don't think it is all going to go our way."

 

Newsflash------------>yes it is, and here is why.......... progressives seem to think this whole exercise in political will using article 5, is some sort of end around them. If any progressive believes that, then they are in error. The main reason for article 5 besides a balanced budget amendment unless 2/3rds of congress votes otherwise is..........to remove power from the ruling class in Washington, and move it back to the states where the constitution says much of it belongs.

 

Let us all remember that if you actually believe in the constitution, then you must agree with article 5 if the states want a meeting, and you have to agree that the states have lost the power that the constitution provided them.

 

This is not about a progressive President, nor that GW person either. We have seen how the ingrained of Washington are soooooooo far out of touch with us, it isn't even on the radar. They dictate, we must obey, just ask the progressives if that isn't how it worked under GW, or the conservative/libertarians the same thing about Obama. It should not be that way. The federal government has usurped its power. Just like we have rights individually, so do the states; and many of them WANT THEM BACK!

 

Personally, I do not know why anyone would whine about a more local control of things, instead of being dictated to from a city far, far, away. The only reason one would logically think that an entity that far away should tell everyone what to do locally, is because they think in the combination that locals are to stupid, and the people in the city far, far, away are brilliant.

 

Now, there isn't anyone here who thinks that they, or any other area of the country, is just to damn stupid to handle mostly local issues, is there? Is anyone willing to say that Washington is full of geniuses, and New York can't handle its own school system?

 

If you think that is the case, please tell everyone on here how stupid they are, and how only Washington knows what to do, when to do it, and how it is done.

[napfirst]

Hopefully, all you "Patriots" especially (Non-Veteran) Patriots will soon join your local Militia and so we be can anticipate yet another Civil War. This time it won`t be over Slavery or simply States Rights which of course included keeping Slavery legalized. Obama will soon be gone, got it? But the Supreme Court which just hand a mere 591 Billionaire and Multi-Millionaire`s the right to contribute unlimited monies to continue to "Buy" future elections does`nt seem bother most of you low intelligent Fox News watchers. Just keep dwelling on Wealth Redistribution as if any of you Teabaggers have any (wealth) to re-distributed and keep fretting about being (forced) to buy Health Insurance or pay a Fine thanks to the Affordable HealthCare Act, better known as RomneyCare. This Civil War won`t be be between the Union and the Confederacy, no, it will be "geographically fought more or less along the same lines but this time it will simply be Red States versus Blue States, enjoy! As if the Citizens United award declaring that Corporations are people too was`nt bad enough creating Super Pac`s, now the super wealthy are no longer limited to giving individually to a maximum of 18 Candidates, now unlimited! Why put Politicians on the Ballot? Lets eliminate the "middleman" and just elect Lobbyist for the rich and Corporate America. Get rid of Unions, make (all) 50 Staes, Right to Work States and try living on your Part-Time $7.93 @ hr minimum wage job with (zero) benefits. Better to worry about "Socialism". PS What time is Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty being aired?

 

"There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call ... The phil1336 Zone."

 

[Langston Hughes]

I find it really kind of funny, that someone is now threatening the "process," by telling everyone that "he hopes we don't think it is all going to go our way."

 

Newsflash------------>yes it is, and here is why.......... progressives seem to think this whole exercise in political will using article 5, is some sort of end around them. If any progressive believes that, then they are in error. The main reason for article 5 besides a balanced budget amendment unless 2/3rds of congress votes otherwise is..........to remove power from the ruling class in Washington, and move it back to the states where the constitution says much of it belongs.

 

Let us all remember that if you actually believe in the constitution, then you must agree with article 5 if the states want a meeting, and you have to agree that the states have lost the power that the constitution provided them.

 

This is not about a progressive President, nor that GW person either. We have seen how the ingrained of Washington are soooooooo far out of touch with us, it isn't even on the radar. They dictate, we must obey, just ask the progressives if that isn't how it worked under GW, or the conservative/libertarians the same thing about Obama. It should not be that way. The federal government has usurped its power. Just like we have rights individually, so do the states; and many of them WANT THEM BACK!

 

Personally, I do not know why anyone would whine about a more local control of things, instead of being dictated to from a city far, far, away. The only reason one would logically think that an entity that far away should tell everyone what to do locally, is because they think in the combination that locals are to stupid, and the people in the city far, far, away are brilliant.

 

Now, there isn't anyone here who thinks that they, or any other area of the country, is just to damn stupid to handle mostly local issues, is there? Is anyone willing to say that Washington is full of geniuses, and New York can't handle its own school system?

 

If you think that is the case, please tell everyone on here how stupid they are, and how only Washington knows what to do, when to do it, and how it is done.

 

I am not threatening the process. I have no influence over the "process" nor do i intend to exert such non-influence in any way. What I did was warn you, as did the conservative in the piece i linked to. Here it is again since you did not bother to read it the first time.

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opinion/utah-valley/get-it-right-article-five-convention---a-bad/article_490ded8e-9df3-563a-94ec-2beef6c6ed10.html

 

I am going to suggest again that it is folly to think that this convention would go as anticipated and give you the singular results you wish to achieve. That will not happen as other interests on both sides will attempt to hijack it.

 

What you are asking for is to open up the document that holds our society together to the whims of the people and ultimately the results could be tragic. I'd rather go with deficit spending than take that chance, you however are willing to risk it.

 

"For fools rush in where angels fear to tread"- Alexander Pope

[Langston Hughes]

 

 

"There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call ... The phil1336 Zone."

 

that's right next to the Imma zone huh?

[Imawhosure]

I am not threatening the process. I have no influence over the "process" nor do i intend to exert such non-influence in any way. What I did was warn you, as did the conservative in the piece i linked to. Here it is again since you did not bother to read it the first time.

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opinion/utah-valley/get-it-right-article-five-convention---a-bad/article_490ded8e-9df3-563a-94ec-2beef6c6ed10.html

 

I am going to suggest again that it is folly to think that this convention would go as anticipated and give you the singular results you wish to achieve. That will not happen as other interests on both sides will attempt to hijack it.

 

What you are asking for is to open up the document that holds our society together to the whims of the people and ultimately the results could be tragic. I'd rather go with deficit spending than take that chance, you however are willing to risk it.

 

"For fools rush in where angels fear to tread"- Alexander Pope

You are wrong, but what does one expect of someone who is wrong about almost everything else. Last I heard, 22 states have signed up, and more are coming. Once it does happen and a balanced budget amendment is put in along with hopefully a few others, Washington elites are through as their power by spending other peoples money will dry up. Even you have to admit that is a good thing, and if you don't think it is, then you are out of touch with how Americans see spending by Washington as a huge problem.

[Langston Hughes]

You are wrong, but what does one expect of someone who is wrong about almost everything else. Last I heard, 22 states have signed up, and more are coming. Once it does happen and a balanced budget amendment is put in along with hopefully a few others, Washington elites are through as their power by spending other peoples money will dry up. Even you have to admit that is a good thing, and if you don't think it is, then you are out of touch with how Americans see spending by Washington as a huge problem.

I don't agree that it will go as planned or that a balanced budget amendment is a "good thing" as I anticipate that starving the beast will have catastrophic consequences at this point. I understand the desire to reel in spending but not like that.

 

Again I suggest that the potential for harm is greater than good but you're too stubborn to see it.

[NickF1011]

I understand the desire to reel in spending but not like that.

 

So give us some of your suggestions.

[Imawhosure]

I don't agree that it will go as planned or that a balanced budget amendment is a "good thing" as I anticipate that starving the beast will have catastrophic consequences at this point. I understand the desire to reel in spending but not like that.

 

Again I suggest that the potential for harm is greater than good but you're too stubborn to see it.

You tell all of "stubborn" people, which politicians in Washington are trying to cut REAL spending, instead of cutting spending on the increase, then pretending they are cutting something! It is the good ole boys and girls club in Washington, plain and simple. And when they retire or get voted out, they become lobbyists.

 

It is time to take as much power from Washington as possible, and return it to the states. Again, to believe for an instant that a group of elites in a city far, far, away, know what is best for your area, is absolutely crazy.

 

And again--------->as long as Washington loses much of its power back to the states, it did come out the way we wanted. What the different states do with that power is up to them.

[Langston Hughes]

 

So give us some of your suggestions.

 

Leave the article 5 shit alone.

 

Let me know when you want more tips.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Leave the article 5 shit alone.

 

Let me know when you want more tips.

 

I don't want any tips from you.

The kind you are offering usually end up getting someone pregnant.

[Langston Hughes]

 

I don't want any tips from you.

The kind you are offering usually end up getting someone pregnant.

Deja Vu

Didn't we have this discussion before?

[NickF1011]

 

Leave the article 5 shit alone.

 

Let me know when you want more tips.

 

I meant suggestions in ways to substantially cut spending. Certainly didn't expect any better an answer though.

[Langston Hughes]

 

I meant suggestions in ways to substantially cut spending. Certainly didn't expect any better an answer though.

Suggestions about cuts.

 

My out the box answer is the military industrial complex, aid to Isreal, and arts funding. The issue with the first is that cuts jobs both civilian and military, with the last two it's that it doesn't amount to much. I guess we could talk about further cuts to diplomatic aid but again it's not a lot and it reduces the amount of carrots we have to use with other countries.

 

I don't see a lot of good coming from cutting the safety nets at this point even if it lowered spending. There's going to have to be some cuts but I'm not sure where yet.

[NickF1011]

Suggestions about cuts.

 

My out the box answer is the military industrial complex, aid to Isreal, and arts funding. The issue with the first is that cuts jobs both civilian and military, with the last two it's that it doesn't amount to much. I guess we could talk about further cuts to diplomatic aid but again it's not a lot and it reduces the amount of carrots we have to use with other countries.

 

I don't see a lot of good coming from cutting the safety nets at this point even if it lowered spending. There's going to have to be some cuts but I'm not sure where yet.

 

Which specific cuts to the military would you make? There's plenty of fat to be trimmed for sure, but just saying "cut the military" doesn't really say much. It's as blanket as saying "cut entitlements". Both need to be done, but how?

[Langston Hughes]

Which specific cuts to the military would you make? There's plenty of fat to be trimmed for sure, but just saying "cut the military" doesn't really say much. It's as blanket as saying "cut entitlements". Both need to be done, but how?

Some of the cuts would come from products. We have to figure out what's essential and what's just another fighter/ship/vehicle for the sake of pork back home. If we aren't honest about that then there's never going to be any cuts. With cutting certain platforms if you will there will be the associated personal that could figure in cuts.

 

How many do you need to actively project force and what is just people standing around for numbers sake. I think the Obama administration is on target with cutting military numbers. How far they SHOULD cut is another topic.

[Imawhosure]

Some of the cuts would come from products. We have to figure out what's essential and what's just another fighter/ship/vehicle for the sake of pork back home. If we aren't honest about that then there's never going to be any cuts. With cutting certain platforms if you will there will be the associated personal that could figure in cuts.

 

How many do you need to actively project force and what is just people standing around for numbers sake. I think the Obama administration is on target with cutting military numbers. How far they SHOULD cut is another topic.

You know Langston, that is kind of a Pollyanna point of view, and I am not saying that to offend you. Every year, the spending goes up, and up, and up, more than inflation does.

 

It should be obvious even to the blind, that Washington is not going to fix their spending problem, and even if we elect a President who actually tries, congress will stop him/her dead in their tracks. Washington is very good at spending money, because it makes people happy; but to govern, they have to be able to cut spending/programs too. They are to worried about re-election though, now aren't they.......both repubs and dems. And so,let the states do it for them.

 

I am really surprised that you of all people, wouldn't want more diversity of ideas coming from the states, or more power returned to them to try different things. We know 3/4s of the stuff Washington does, doesn't work as advertised. Why not let the states try different stuff as laboratories, and what works could be exported to the others?

 

We really must not be afraid to try, because if we just continue down the path we are on, the country is going to go over a cliff; and every body knows it. And, the longer we leave the country on auto-pilot, the harder it is going to be to get it back on track. We both know this Langston, as does everyone else on this board who even pays attention only slightly.

 

And before you respond, think of it this way-------------> many people think Obama is great. Fine, then let us all agree for the sake of argument, the man is wonderful and brilliant. Not thinking of your personal situation, how are things going for a significant part of the population? How is the populace viewing what direction we are going in? Are they happy? Are they confident? So if we all did just agree how wonderful Obama is, then obviously even a wonderful President can not fix what is broken! He can't.........even with executive orders out the wazoo, get the country back on track, or make the population feel confident. So now what?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

Article 5, that is what. In that manner, localities can make the changes they want, and feel confident, instead of taking orders from some centralized place that may, or may not have anything in common with the people they are trying to govern. It is just that simple. Again~ it isn't a democrat/republican issue, but a states issue; and according to our constitution, they are to have far more power than they do currently. So nobody is attempting to rewrite the constitution, but rather enforce the constitution, that was originally agreed to.

[goinbroke2]

A little out of context but he's a local "gubment" story;

 

We have local wine&beer shops here that sell all the gear,malts, etc to make beer and wine (and tabletop distillers too for that matter)

Anyway, last year one of a chain here decided that in the city, lots of people live in apartments and while they want to make their own beer and wine, don't have the room. Too easy, I'll set up a spot out back and you can ferment here and when it's done, bottle it here too if you want. (gee almost entreprenuial huh?)

 

Local gubment nova scotia liquor commission finds out and threatens law suit and action etc. Small business owners as well as people are livid. First how does the NSLC even have the right to...oh wait, the left wing socialist gubment in power at the time granted full prosecutorial power to the nslc. So now the local liquor commission has "jackboots" and their own policing force????wtf??? Well people call into talkshows/politicians/etc and generally stirred a lot of shit. The gubment pulled the reigns in on the nslc and said "ok, you can let people ferment in your stores.

But that's not the last of it....yesterday it was announced (8-10 months later) that RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PERMITS ARE NOW REQUIRED. So, yeah, you won, you can charge people to ferment in your business...but you must buy our permit and follow our "rules" for "safety sake"! SAFETY???? WTF??? These idiots don't even know what brewing is, but as long as they turn it into tax money, they're happy!

 

Our gubment went from hard left to left...

[Imawhosure]

A little out of context but he's a local "gubment" story;

 

We have local wine&beer shops here that sell all the gear,malts, etc to make beer and wine (and tabletop distillers too for that matter)

Anyway, last year one of a chain here decided that in the city, lots of people live in apartments and while they want to make their own beer and wine, don't have the room. Too easy, I'll set up a spot out back and you can ferment here and when it's done, bottle it here too if you want. (gee almost entreprenuial huh?)

 

Local gubment nova scotia liquor commission finds out and threatens law suit and action etc. Small business owners as well as people are livid. First how does the NSLC even have the right to...oh wait, the left wing socialist gubment in power at the time granted full prosecutorial power to the nslc. So now the local liquor commission has "jackboots" and their own policing force????wtf??? Well people call into talkshows/politicians/etc and generally stirred a lot of shit. The gubment pulled the reigns in on the nslc and said "ok, you can let people ferment in your stores.

But that's not the last of it....yesterday it was announced (8-10 months later) that RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PERMITS ARE NOW REQUIRED. So, yeah, you won, you can charge people to ferment in your business...but you must buy our permit and follow our "rules" for "safety sake"! SAFETY???? WTF??? These idiots don't even know what brewing is, but as long as they turn it into tax money, they're happy!

 

Our gubment went from hard left to left...

Goin, I understand your pain. Government taxes everything, and anything to support itself.

 

It is like the phoney story all the progressives repeat over, and over again about how Obysmal CUTS taxes. Well, here is a little heads up---------> when Barack, Millhouse, Hussein, Obysmal took office, tax freedom day in the US was April the 10th. After 5 plus years of "the one," tax freedom day is now April 21, meaning you have to work 11 days longer to pay for "the Obysmal transformation," and he is still running unprecedented deficits on top of that.

 

This is exactly one of the reasons I decided to "block" progressives who call people drunks, bigots, douchebags, homophobes, or anything else like that when someone brings up points or questions, for which they have no answers but name calling.

 

It appears what they are really attacking is "freedom of speech." They can't have any of us running around giving mathematical facts on what their policies have caused, so they have to discredit the messenger by turning them into something they are not, hoping the sheep won't look behind the curtain. How dare we question the elite, cause they went to some Mickey Mouse college, and listened to some tenured professor.

 

Screw em. We can start playing a little louder too, and since we are paying most of this countrys freight, a lot of us intend to!

[goinbroke2]

If you read what I wrote;

"threatens law suit and action etc"

"First how does the NSLC even have the right to...oh wait, the left wing socialist gubment in power at the time granted full prosecutorial power to the nslc."

To a liquor commission??? I guess that's some of the gubment that needs arms as mentioned in another thread.

 

Hmmm, facism at it's finest... but wait, what about Clark County Nevada..."armed gubment" who some on here believe is correct...facism as well...hmmm, and both are hard left politically...

 

Yeah, capitalism sucks, freedom sucks, liberty sucks, you just need the communist utopia that works so well in all those other countries...

[Langston Hughes]

Still talkng about me. See Nick, told you.

[NickF1011]

Still talkng about me. See Nick, told you.

 

I care about this much.