Langston Hughes Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) This is not acceptable behavior on the forums. Fine. I'll just resort to the standard attacks then. Edited January 20, 2014 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 And I'm sure you have evidence of this radical change in platforms. Lets just start with this, When was the Southeast Michigan 9.12 Tea Party started? The Southeast Michigan 9.12 Project was started on March 6, 2009. The Organizer on that date was Caston Thomas. What about these 9 principles and 12 values...what are they? They are the a portion of beliefs held and practiced by the Founding Fathers prior to, during, and after the Revolutionary War. Thus the 9.12 Project's founding principles are: 1. America is good. 2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life. 3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday. 4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. 5. If you break the law, you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it. 6. I have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results. 7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable. 8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion. 9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them; they answer to me. This is the Christian God and not Muslim, Hindu or other. Here'sanother http://lakesareateaparty.ning.com/page/radical-islam http://www.bluewaterteaparty.com/webapp/p/402/the-threat-of-islam D. Moral Principles - Restore the founders’ original intent of the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom and expression. - Strengthen and promote traditional Judeo-Christian values and principles. - Eliminate legislation which undermines traditional marriage, family stability and parental authority, and the life and well-being of the individual from conception to natural death; and support legislation that strengthens them. - Eliminate governmental and political corruption. - Hold our government and elected officials accountable to the highest standards. http://www.bluewaterteaparty.com/webapp/p/303/what-we-stand-for - Support, recruit and promote individuals of high moral character for public office. These beliefs are held throughout the Tea Party and are part of a platform within the various groups. The point i'm making is correct that they are not anti-tax libertarians. I could find a thousand more groups just like these and the elected officials positions that they support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 These beliefs are held throughout the Tea Party and are part of a platform within the various groups. The point i'm making is correct that they are not anti-tax libertarians. I could find a thousand more groups just like these and the elected officials positions that they support. Just making sure that anecdotal stories aren't the basis for your beliefs. I know how you get about anecdotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 This is the tea party platform. Where does it say anything about God or abortion or gay marriage or religion? Just because some conservative groups call themselves Tea Partiers doesn't mean they are following the established Tea Party platform. The ones you cited sound like nothing more than traditional Republicans jumping on the "Tea Party" name bandwagon. http://www.teaparty-platform.com/ Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows: 1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens. “Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” --Calvin Coolidge “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.” --Thomas Jefferson “Any tax is a discouragement and therefore a regulation.” --Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Also see: What is the Tea Party; Tea Party Ideas; Tea Partiers; Voice of the Tea Party 2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity. “You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” --Abraham Lincoln “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” --Thomas Paine, 1776 “As on the one hand, the necessity for borrowing in particular emergencies cannot be doubted, so on the other, it is equally evident that to be able to borrow upon good terms, it is essential that the credit of a nation should be well established.” --Alexander Hamilton, 1790 Tea Party Platform continued: 3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business. “Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” --George Washington “A penny saved is a penny earned.” --Benjamin Franklin “Tomorrow, every Fault is to be amended; but that Tomorrow never comes.” --Benjamin Franklin Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued: 4. Protect Free Markets - America’s free enterprise system allows businesses to thrive as they compete in the open marketplace and strive toward ever better services and products. Allowing free markets to prosper unfettered by government interference is what propelled this country to greatness with an enduring belief in the industriousness and innovations of the populace. “That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well.” --Abraham Lincoln “You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man’s initiative and independence.” --Abraham Lincoln “The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” --Ronald Reagan Tea Party Platform continued: 5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States - The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land and must be adhered to without exception at all levels of government. This includes the Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and their provisions designed to protect states’ rights and individual liberties. “A general Dissolution of Principles & Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the Common Enemy.” --Samuel Adams, 1779 “The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon.” --George Washington “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform continued: 6. Promote Civic Responsibility - Citizen involvement at the grassroots level allows the voice of the American people to be heard and directs the political behaviors of our representatives at both the local and national level so they, in turn, may be most effective in working to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of this country’s citizens. “The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.” --Patrick Henry “To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” --Abraham Lincoln “Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light” --George Washington “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” --Thomas Jefferson Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued: 7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt. “My observation is that whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty...it is worse executed by two persons, and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein.” --George Washington “If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy.” --Samuel Adams, 1802 “Energy and persistence conquer all things.” --Benjamin Franklin Tea Party Platform continued: 8. Believe in the People - The American people, given their guaranteed freedoms, will thrive in a democratic, capitalist environment which allows individuals to strive toward ever greater achievements, innovations and the efficient production of needed and valued goods and services. “Industry need not wish.” --Benjamin Franklin “Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.” --Abraham Lincoln “The people will save their government, if the government itself will allow them.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform continued: 9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals. We choose not to respond to these attacks except to strongly and explicitly disavow any and all hate speech, any and all violence as well as insinuations of violence, and any and all extreme and fringe elements that bring discredit to the Tea Party Movement. We are a peaceful movement and respect other's opinions and views even though they do not agree with our own. We stand by the Tea Party beliefs and goals and choose to focus our energies on ensuring that our government representatives do the same. “I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.” --Abraham Lincoln “Honesty is the best policy.” --Benjamin Franklin “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” --George Washington Also see: What is the Tea Party; Tea Party Ideas; Tea Partiers; Voice of the Tea Party Tea Party Platform continued: 10. Maintain Local Independence - The strength and resilience of a grassroots movement is the ability of citizens at the local level to determine their own platforms, agendas and priorities free of an overriding central leadership. Exercising the clearly stated message of the Tea Party movement by its nature involves discourse about which policies and candidates best hold to our stated principles, and these various opinions should flourish and evolve at the local level. “Here sir, the people govern.” --Alexander Hamilton in a speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, 1788 “Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.” --Samuel Adams, 1781 “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform - Thank you for visiting the Tea Party Movement Platform Website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 This is the tea party platform. Where does it say anything about God or abortion or gay marriage or religion? Just because some conservative groups call themselves Tea Partiers doesn't mean they are following the established Tea Party platform. The ones you cited sound like nothing more than traditional Republicans jumping on the "Tea Party" name bandwagon. http://www.teaparty-platform.com/ So this is the only platform? LOL. Your being silly. The point was that whatever the party was it's not now and your aware of that, but then again it might not ever been what you say it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Just making sure that anecdotal stories aren't the basis for your beliefs. I know how you get about anecdotes. If i was only offering my families individual feeling that would be the type of anecdotal evidence that i dislike. Just like a conservative offered here about a pro-Tea Party family member but i'm showing multiple groups and capable of finding many many more that are the same way. Sooner of later you have to accept that there is a large fringe ultra conservative movement within the Tea party and they speak louder than the quiet anti-Tax social liberals in the group. It's the ultra's who push the candidates and the platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So this is the only platform? LOL. Your being silly. The point was that whatever the party was it's not now and your aware of that, but then again it might not ever been what you say it was. If a group of radical anarchists called themselves Democrats, does that mean that all Democrats are anarchists? Or does it just mean that some group of people decided to call themselves a democrat and it has nothing to do with the Democratic party platform? You're painting every Tea Partier the same based on a handfull of examples of people who call themselves Tea Partiers. I don't know how much clearer they can get on what their platform stands for (or doesn't). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) If a group of radical anarchists called themselves Democrats, does that mean that all Democrats are anarchists? Or does it just mean that some group of people decided to call themselves a democrat and it has nothing to do with the Democratic party platform? You're painting every Tea Partier the same based on a handfull of examples of people who call themselves Tea Partiers. I don't know how much clearer they can get on what their platform stands for (or doesn't). Well the the problem is the Tea Party now means ultra-conservative. It may not have started off that way, but that is where it is now. IMO, any group that wants to represent the people but is comprised of the most radical of a single side does not represent the people. I think the more people see the TP as being associated with ultra-conservatism, their numbers and support will continue to fall. Those beliefs do not represent a large portion of America. You can present all the web sites there are demonstrating the tenants of the TP movement, but polls time and time again show that many (the majority) of people that identify as TP leaning are extreme conservatives. If someone wants to start a group for reform that includes republicans, democrats, independents and libertarians, then hey sign me up if you can prevent it from being hijacked by one the extreme factions of each. Till then, the TP (and any other group composed of radical idealogues) doesn't have a chance. A big part of why (currently) the Article V movement is destined for failure. Edited January 21, 2014 by the_spaniard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a group of radical anarchists called themselves Democrats, does that mean that all Democrats are anarchists? Or does it just mean that some group of people decided to call themselves a democrat and it has nothing to do with the Democratic party platform? You're painting every Tea Partier the same based on a handfull of examples of people who call themselves Tea Partiers. I don't know how much clearer they can get on what their platform stands for (or doesn't). No, i am not. The group of people who align themselves with the Tea party is much higher than a handful. If you told me that there was a pretty sizable fringe of anarchists in the greens i would would probably expect that it would be correct. However, how many times have conservatives here just proclaim that democrats are socialists or commies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Sounds like a la raza wet dream to me Spaniard. Remember how that worked out last time? Hyperbole and silly slogans aside, TX still wouldn't stand a chance in the scenario I presented. You might as well have used "Don't mess with Texas" as your argument. Oh hey! I'll throw one in....how about..."I love it when a plan comes together!"....No wait that isn't it....hmmmmn..."whatchoo talkin about Willis?".....no.... "Let off some steam, Bennet!"...er no. "Remember the Alamo!" There we go, not that it has weight in this discussion either....but slogans are fun and oh, so patriotic. Good stuff. As far as it being a La Raza fantasy, sounds like fear of a brown planet to me. Edited January 21, 2014 by the_spaniard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Or maybe the only Tea Party groups that get any publicity are the ones that the liberal media identify as the ultra-conservative ones that they despise. I already gave one example of a true local Tea Party group who are true to the platform and not super ultra conservative. To think there aren't a lot of those groups at the local level at least is naive. Out of the hundreds of Tea Party groups out there, how many have you personally witnessed or heard about? 5? 10? 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Or maybe there really is an extremely conservative majority within the Tea Party. I'm not saying ALL TP groups are extremely conservative. I'm saying the majority are, which is supported through polls conducted of TP members. What is the TP doing to actively recruit more democrats and independents to their meeting? If I had group hijacked by extremists, I would do anything I could to change that view. Particularly if that group was causing support for my movement to decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Your funny. You know the difference between Afghanistan and Texas. For one the infrastructure in Texas is much better which eliminates some of the tactical advantages the Afghanies have over invaders. Freeways, paved roads, and that sorrt of thing make troop movements much easier. It's a completely different ball game than a third world country. For starters as much time as you spend in a day typing responses on this forum you would think that at some point you would finally figure out how to use the words your and you're properly. Secondly, if you knew anything about combat (which you obviously don't) you would know that a well established infrastructure only makes insurgency or guerrilla warfare even easier for the so called "militia". I know that's a difficult concept for you grasp because they didn't get around to it while you were sunning yourself in Hawaii. But for those of us that were real soldiers we understand this. Paved roads make for great choke points. Urban areas make for great hardened fighting positions. What did you think, that in the entire population of Texas there isn't anyone who was a former soldier? There wouldn't be any former SEALs or SF among the population that could quickly and effectively put together a very effective resistance to such an invasion? That the resistance wouldn't also make use of the same roads that the big bad Mexican army would? I hate to break it to you but you obviously have never spent much time around Texans if you think it would just be a cake walk. Get a clue. Edited January 22, 2014 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hyperbole and silly slogans aside, TX still wouldn't stand a chance in the scenario I presented. You might as well have used "Don't mess with Texas" as your argument. Oh hey! I'll throw one in....how about..."I love it when a plan comes together!"....No wait that isn't it....hmmmmn..."whatchoo talkin about Willis?".....no.... "Let off some steam, Bennet!"...er no. "Remember the Alamo!" There we go, not that it has weight in this discussion either....but slogans are fun and oh, so patriotic. Good stuff. As far as it being a La Raza fantasy, sounds like fear of a brown planet to me. The scenario you presented was so full of nonsense and misguided assumptions that it was truly laughable. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Anyone notice how the liberals would root for the conservative state of Texas to lose in a fight with the Mexican army? Wonder if they would feel that way if the Chinese landed on the beaches of California? I'm betting no. Tells us a lot about the hearts and minds of liberals doesn't it? Edited January 22, 2014 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The scenario you presented was so full of nonsense and misguided assumptions that it was truly laughable. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. With a response like that, if you started posting pictures with silly slogans it would be an upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 With a response like that, if you started posting pictures with silly slogans it would be an upgrade. No other response is really needed. Its obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. How much more clear can I be about that fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Anyone notice how the liberals would root for the conservative state of Texas to lose in a fight with the Mexican army? Wonder if they would feel that way if the Chinese landed on the beaches of California? I'm betting no. Tells us a lot about the hearts and minds of liberals doesn't it? I have little interest in the fate of any state if they pull an illegal secession. TX, CA, MD, wherever. Has nothing to do with them being conservative, and everything to do with the idea being a stupid one, regardless of the state. TX just happens to be the squeaky wheel in the discussion, crying like babies about secession, ignoring the harsh reality of it is they wouldn't stand a chance if they did. I don't know about the hearts and minds of liberals, as I am an independent. But sweeping generalizations about liberals says more about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) No other response is really needed. Its obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. How much more clear can I be about that fact? Wow, I'm still waiting to be educated. Personal attacks don't count, but as I suspected before it seems to be all you have. Edited January 22, 2014 by the_spaniard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Wow, I'm still waiting to be educated. Personal attacks don't count, but as I suspected before it seems to be all you have. Very well then, if you insist I'll be glad to. For starters you have made the assumption that Texas would just secede from the Union without giving any thought to protecting its own borders in the years to come. Has it not occurred to you that if you can conceive of the idea that the Mexicans might come across the border than just maybe they would too? I know that might come as a shock to your self impressed ego but it really is true. They aren't nearly as stupid as you so yes they would make arrangements to procure military hardware and capability of their own before just going off the handle and leaving the United States. If nothing else they would do so in order to protect themselves from the very government they have just seceded from. Duh!!! And yes, the US would likely take all their toys at Fort Hood and various other bases and go home. But guess what, they would almost surely leave the buildings in place making them ready made for a Texas army to occupy. Hell this is the same US government that left thousands of MRAPs in the Stan because they didn't want to waste time and money bringing them home. Now, as for the highly trained Mexican army that has been trained by the US Military let me just say . I have seen plenty of these soldiers that were trained at the School of the Americas and WHINSEC at Fort Benning. They are by no means highly trained soldiers. In addition you seem to conveniently forget that the population of Texas is filled with a great many people who are military veterans themselves. Guess who trained them? That's right boys and girls the very same US Military that trained all those big bad scary Mexican soldiers. In addition there are quite a few former SEAL's and SF veterans that live in Texas. They used to work at a little place called SOCOM. You can look up what that means if you want to but the end result is some highly trained soldiers that would make your Mexican army guys shit their pants. It's not going to take them long to organize a very effective resistance group to anything the Mexicans throw their way. As for the Mexican military itself, they don't even have a main battle tank. The best they can muster in that regard is a French made ERC-90 which is a wheeled vehicle. Wheeled vehicles are very easy to disable. In point of fact the Mexicans don't have any tracked vehicles. They have a variety of lightly armored infantry fighting vehicles all of which are wheeled. This means that for the most part their military will have to move along paved roads and dirt roads. Roads are easy choke points where ambushes can be set. Wasn't it you who said that the day after the Mexicans take over Texas that it would become a stronghold for the cartels? You really think the average Mexican soldier wouldn't also think of that? You really think they want to go off into Texas and fight and die for the cartels? lol Wake up rip van dumb ass. I don't know if you're aware of this but the Mexican military and the cartels are engaged in a shooting war right now. Suddenly they're going to get along so they can invade Texas? Yeah right. Furthermore try to imagine the morale of the average poorly trained Mexican troop when he's told that he's going to invade Texas. He knows very well that millions of Texans have firearms and they aren't just going to run away at the sight of their goofy looking four wheel drive trucks. Every time they make camp, stop to take piss or otherwise step outside they would be subject to being shot by some Texan with a high powered hunting rifle or an AR-15. The reality is that the resistance would make short work of a great many of the Mexican military. Finally you have failed to take into account that in all likely hood if Texas did secede from the US they would not do so alone. Other states would likely secede as well and as a result those states would then be allies of Texas. Like Texas they too would have ensured that they had made arrangements to protect themselves militarily before seceding. Those states would then also bring their military capabilities to the fight when the Mexicans crossed the border. So, as I said, you don't have clue what you're talking about. Go back to your XBox and play Call of Duty, this is not your game. Some other minor points that bear mentioning. Texas is home to the 36th Infantry Division (national guard) which is a very large military division complete with air assets. Now good old Uncle Sam might try to take some of their equipment if Texas did secede but the reality on the ground is that the Texans have positive control and access to that equipment. The Texans can easily move it and hide it thus keeping it out of the hands of the Federal Government should they want to. Even if the Federal Government did by some miracle manage to confiscate every piece of equipment that belongs to the 36th they can't remove the training that the soldiers in that division have. So that's an entire division of trained infantry soldiers who aren't just going to sit around and cry if the Mexicans came across the border despite what you might claim. With respect to the equipment stuff the same could be said about Federal bases like Hood. I've been to Hood and it would be very easy to get on that base undetected if you wanted to. In the middle of the night it wouldn't be that difficult to steal equipment and get it off base before anyone realizes what is happening. By the time anyone realized they lost a couple dozen tanks and MRAP's the damn things could be four counties away and hidden in various barns and warehouses. However it gets done, the reality is that a lot of that military equipment would never leave the state because it would just flat be stolen before they could get across the border with it. Additionally, it would be just as easy to get on those bases and disable a lot of equipment thus making it impossible to move without extensive repairs. In the chaos that would ensue during a secession such equipment would likely just get left behind, later to be repaired and put back in service. There are a thousand ways that things can get done and happen that you're little invasion theory doesn't even take into account. Edited January 22, 2014 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 LOL, it's not like Texas is worse than Mexico BH. They get shot at there all the time now. I'd be more worried about drug cartels than the Mexican army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Interesting story on how easy it is to get a voter ID. http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/letter-from-the-editor/Content?oid=3583867 We opted for the Summer Avenue center, a 25-minute drive from Midtown. We got there at 12:15 p.m. The line was out the door. The security guard said he thought it might be an hour-and-a-half wait......It was nearly 5 p.m. when we got home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Interesting story on how easy it is to get a voter ID. http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/letter-from-the-editor/Content?oid=3583867 More anecdotal evidence. You're fine with it when it supports your opposition on Voter ID, but damn it when it opposes Obamacare. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Interesting story on how easy it is to get a voter ID. http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/letter-from-the-editor/Content?oid=3583867 So? I've experienced the same thing getting a drivers license and voting. That is a ridiculous example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 More anecdotal evidence. You're fine with it when it supports your opposition on Voter ID, but damn it when it opposes Obamacare. Interesting. Exactly. It's no big deal to spend days trying buy insurance through an exchange but if I have to drive 25 minutes and stand in line, it MUST be racism and voter suppression! GMAFB!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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