Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 absolutely, just trying to give insight as to why wagons aren't in the USA arsenal....the times they treied sales numbers were dismal...and then along came CUVs, which IMO are just taller wagons...and something clicked.....fickle for sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The problem is when people cast their preference for wagons in moral terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) One can like wagons all you want...fact, unless theres a business case that justifies the ROI, they wont be built or imported here.... Edited April 16, 2015 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 "Moral terms?" Can you please provide references? From a poster who is not you: "that "wagon" is such a profane word" "really does humiliate the C-Max" "Poseur marketing at its finest." "I still scoff at people" (emphasis added) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Is your objective to somehow convince those that like wagons that they should not like wagons Nope. Just that you shouldn't wonder why they aren't sold here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Is your objective to somehow convince those that like wagons that they should not like wagons because of the business case? This seems to be the theme here. Quite an interesting case study. No, I think you're missing the point. Its because the people that like wagons are such a small number compared to those that don't want one that it makes for a terrible business case, and for a terrible ROI. Just look at Cadillac for an example of why you shouldn't build cars that people don't want. They sit around for months on end and wind up losing money just to get rid of them. Go ahead and like wagons all you want, just don't be upset that Ford isn't in the business of losing money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Lincoln...no, just realize why they aren't here and move on...a few peoples wish list wont change reality.....hell, I want a smaller pickup with some offroad chops....I don't think THAT will happen either... Edited April 16, 2015 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 It's really tragic, to me, that "wagon" is such a profane word to the American car-buying public. I still scoff at people getting their "rugged appearance packs" on vehicles that will see, at worst, a tar-stripped road. Poseur marketing at its finest. were it not for so many falling in love with "activity vehicles" that are wholly unlikely to do anything that an embattled "wagon" couldn't do as well, or better, while lugging around less weight. The only time I respond to wagon posts is when Zan says crap like this. It's the classic "people should buy what I think they should buy" argument. He thinks he knows why people buy utilities and while that is probably true for a few buyers the vast majority are not like that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Is your objective to somehow convince those that like wagons that they should not like wagons because of the business case? This seems to be the theme here. Quite an interesting case study. Why are so many people here incapable of following the simplest logical argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) NM Edited April 16, 2015 by LincolnV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 ...........and thus ends another thread..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Sunovabitch! I started it and only got to post once... (OK, twice counting this).... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Go ahead and like wagons all you want, just don't be upset that Ford isn't in the business of losing money. Please go through this thread and show me that I'm upset that Ford isn't offering wagons. I know why Ford doesn't offer wagons. What is happening here is that there are "some" people who absolutely have to have their opinion be the one that is above everyone else. I've seen it time and time again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nope. Just that you shouldn't wonder why they aren't sold here. Please explain where I questioned this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Please go through this thread and show me that I'm upset that Ford isn't offering wagons. I know why Ford doesn't offer wagons. I'm not talking about you specifically in that instance, I'm generalizing on that point. My point to you was that those who you are arguing with aren't trying to make you hate wagons, but to explain to the rest of the wagon fan club why they aren't likely to get wagons again despite their love for them. Nobody here is trying to get anyone to reverse their likes and dislikes, you're just reading into it that way. Edited April 16, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 No, I think you're missing the point. Its because the people that like wagons are such a small number compared to those that don't want one that it makes for a terrible business case, and for a terrible ROI. Just look at Cadillac for an example of why you shouldn't build cars that people don't want. They sit around for months on end and wind up losing money just to get rid of them. Go ahead and like wagons all you want, just don't be upset that Ford isn't in the business of losing money. I'm not talking about you specifically in that instance, I'm generalizing on that point. Unfortunately, the "No, I think you're missing the point" posted in post #34, in reply to me seems to say something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unfortunately, the "No, I think you're missing the point" posted in post #34, in reply to me seems to say something else. You are missing the point. You're acting like you're beliefs are being attacked when they simply aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 You are missing the point. You're acting like you're beliefs are being attacked when they simply aren't. Unfortunately no. I am not. I'm watching the thread - the posts I've made and the replies to those posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 truth be said , I can immediately think of two thread subjects that always seem in incur the same semi hostile responses....Wagons and small diesel drivetrains in sedans...both fueled by the "Why cant we get them here mentality...".....understand the passion, but sentiment shouldn't over-ride common sense business decisions by manufacturers. And NO ONE can overly criticize Fords decisions of late.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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