Tier2 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Just announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 This should be interesting. FCA has the highest number of 2 tier workers. They have the lowest profits. And they have Sergio. The man threw a fit when Bob King didn't answer his phone the very minute it rang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 The writing has been on the wall for a while. Tier 2 will be brought up to around $25/hr...legacy workers will be bought or phased out and future pay/incentives will be performance based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Don't know what your smoking, but bring some to the next Union meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-bert Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 as predicted FCA is target! fyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 ALL the auto companies want the legacy workers gone, I can see all 3 offering big buyouts to get rid of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) WHY?? WHY?? Would the IUAW choose Chrysler as the lead company, their the weakest of the 3 and least likely to give in to demands. If indeed this is true we as members are going to get screwed... FCA wants to eliminate over time pay as a cost saving method amongst other things.. Edited September 13, 2015 by Downtime1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Because papa Sergio and President Williams are friends and Sergio has repeatedly said he wants to get rid of the 2 tier system. That's the only reason that makes sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsnow Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So, Did this ever cross your minds. FCA, "CAN NOT" afford a strike. They will cave to the union, before the other two healthier companies would. That is what I believe is the reason for targeting FCA. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So, Did this ever cross your minds. FCA, "CAN NOT" afford a strike. They will cave to the union, before the other two healthier companies would. That is what I believe is the reason for targeting FCA. There ISN'T going to be a strike, didn't you hear what Williams said about a strike that he considers a strike a failure?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 So, Did this ever cross your minds. FCA, "CAN NOT" afford a strike. They will cave to the union, before the other two healthier companies would. That is what I believe is the reason for targeting FCA. Could also mean Sergio is pissed GM wouldn't merge and is going to screw them with a contract that favors us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Could also mean Sergio is pissed GM wouldn't merge and is going to screw them with a contract that favors us. That makes zero sense. A contract that favors the members hurts him... Sergio didn't choose to have Chrysler be the lead the IUAW chose them.. Edited September 13, 2015 by Downtime1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 That makes zero sense. A contract that favors the members hurts him... Sergio didn't choose to have Chrysler be the lead the IUAW chose them.. They already have more debt than cash right now....without a merger they are in bad shape. You don't think they already know the offers from the 3 before they select the target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Could also mean Sergio is pissed GM wouldn't merge and is going to screw them with a contract that favors us. This could make sense kind of. Sergio could infact screw chrysler into the dirt and on the threshold of death devaluing it, him and some buddies with money get a hostile take over going on at GM, snatch chrysler up for next to nothing. Makes financial sense, GM can afford ending tier 2 or bumping their wages up significantly while chrysler can't. Sergio then gets to claim to be a man that wants to treat his workers fairly and with respect and gets his talons into GM which he desperately wants. Kind of a bull shit long shot theory but in corporate america nothing would surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 With Chrysler being the lead company in negotiations tier 1 is going to get screwed. Out of all the Big 3, Chrysler has the least amount of tier 1 workers so the majority of those voting for them are tier 2s. So a contract that does more for tier 2 than it does for tier 1 is going to pass by a landslide.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yrs Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is everyone aware of Sergio's position regarding two tier wages? He has stated very specifically on many occasions that he believes separate tiers are destructive to any company. At first the union was all excited that he was on their side. NOT!!!! Sergio would like a blended wage somewhere in the middle of Tier 1 and Tier 2. Let's use $20.00 as a good example. He knows for a fact that a full 45% of his current workers (Tier 2) will jump all over this. If "ALL" the Tier 1 do not show up to vote this blend will fly right through. Don't underestimate this guy he is a hell of a lot smarter than you think. I wouldn't hold your breath for a wage buy down either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is everyone aware of Sergio's position regarding two tier wages? He has stated very specifically on many occasions that he believes separate tiers are destructive to any company. At first the union was all excited that he was on their side. NOT!!!! Sergio would like a blended wage somewhere in the middle of Tier 1 and Tier 2. Let's use $20.00 as a good example. He knows for a fact that a full 45% of his current workers (Tier 2) will jump all over this. If "ALL" the Tier 1 do not show up to vote this blend will fly right through. Don't underestimate this guy he is a hell of a lot smarter than you think. I wouldn't hold your breath for a wage buy down either. This isn't going to be good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Either way we are screwed! Either by the Union or the Company! If you are a Legacy employee, we are going to be worse off! The only members gaining are the Tier 2 Employees! I would rather keep the status quo than a worse contract for Legacy employees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrod Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 FCA can't afford what Ford and GM can. Economically speaking, getting FCA out of the way first, then going after slightly better deals for Ford and GM seems to be more likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lions Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 With Chrysler being the lead company in negotiations tier 1 is going to get screwed. Out of all the Big 3, Chrysler has the least amount of tier 1 workers so the majority of those voting for them are tier 2s. So a contract that does more for tier 2 than it does for tier 1 is going to pass by a landslide.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 With Chrysler being the lead company in negotiations tier 1 is going to get screwed. Out of all the Big 3, Chrysler has the least amount of tier 1 workers so the majority of those voting for them are tier 2s. So a contract that does more for tier 2 than it does for tier 1 is going to pass by a landslide.. Tier 1 is still the majority there so if tier 1 thinks they are getting the shaft the can still control the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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