hotcarl Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I see a 50% plus raise for tier 2 401k pension. Company contribution goes from 4% to 6.4%. I see nothing aded to the the defined pension for legacy employees. When was the last time there was a raise for our pension? Two or three contracts ago? I can't remember. I don't see two tier voting for us a pension raise in any future contracts as their numbers increase. If we don't get a raise to this this contract I doubt that we ever will. Say as a legacy employee you retire in 10 years, that means that you will retire with the same exact amount of lifetime monthly benefits that a guy who retired 20 years prior to you receives. Think about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERDEMOCRAT Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 hey carl, i know your hot! but u got me HOT just thinking about u, how about u come over for a BBQ with special sauce ? !!! WOO HOO!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Save your money in 401k & roth ira's, dont count on pension 20 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Gotta take care of the 2nd Tier right now cause they are the biggest cry babies right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Gotta take care of the 2nd Tier right now cause they are the biggest cry babies right now Be happy you still have a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Gotta take care of the 2nd Tier right now cause they are the biggest cry babies right now 2 tiers are crying like little babies, they are getting a lot more than legacy & retirees & yet they need more tissue than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Be happy you still have a job. Be glad a 1st Tier made sacrifices so you could be hired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Vote yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Where is BigCountry, I bet he is promoting the Yes Vote at his plant with donuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hell yes he is, DTP will be yes vote 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 With the leadership at DTP it will be a 100% YES vote, they know this is a good contract and will back up anything there chairman says plus do anything he says! DTP understands this contract and what it means for the future! Keep America Working, Vote Yes!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I was once so naive, that I voted for contracts that diverted potential instant gratification to retiree benefits. Sadly, I thought we would continue to trust the system and that it would be there for us after a full career. I thought that I could trust, first the company, then later, the Union, with ensuring the benefits we paid for with our votes for those contracts and concessions, would always result in a fully funded, inflation and Cost Of Living adjusted retirement. Alas, it seems we are doomed to become, "Pay me now, and I don't care what you promise for tomorrow" kinds of people. And I lower my head and shake it back and forth in disbelief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I was once so naive, that I voted for contracts that diverted potential instant gratification to retiree benefits. Sadly, I thought we would continue to trust the system and that it would be there for us after a full career. I thought that I could trust, first the company, then later, the Union, with ensuring the benefits we paid for with our votes for those contracts and concessions, would always result in a fully funded, inflation and Cost Of Living adjusted retirement. Alas, it seems we are doomed to become, "Pay me now, and I don't care what you promise for tomorrow" kinds of people. And I lower my head and shake it back and forth in disbelief. You are right!! Pay me now, so I can invest it now, and retire when my time comes! Take the money and run , every man for themselves ! Vote Yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I was once so naive, that I voted for contracts that diverted potential instant gratification to retiree benefits. Sadly, I thought we would continue to trust the system and that it would be there for us after a full career. I thought that I could trust, first the company, then later, the Union, with ensuring the benefits we paid for with our votes for those contracts and concessions, would always result in a fully funded, inflation and Cost Of Living adjusted retirement. Alas, it seems we are doomed to become, "Pay me now, and I don't care what you promise for tomorrow" kinds of people. And I lower my head and shake it back and forth in disbelief. And that's exactly why not having a pension doesn't bother me. I don't trust that it will still be there in 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 And that's exactly why not having a pension doesn't bother me. I don't trust that it will still be there in 30 years. Exactly! Pay me now so I can invest it and prepare for my retirement VOTE YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 You are right!! Pay me now, so I can invest it now, and retire when my time comes! Take the money and run , every man for themselves ! Vote Yes!!! And the "PAY ME NOW" signing bonus also got us the 2-tier system we are subsidizing today. Always said $8000 and my brothers and sisters would sell each other to a sex slave trade arrangement, and their mother, too, for a new jet ski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 These folks don't get it, Ford is being very generous seeing they only made over 8 plus billion last year, it's not like they made 10 billion, if your wanting something better I would suggest moving to West Virginia and trying to get on at Toyota where you can work for a non union company that don't give you a $8500 signing bonus to accept a raise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 These folks don't get it, Ford is being very generous seeing they only made over 8 plus billion last year, it's not like they made 10 billion, if your wanting something better I would suggest moving to West Virginia and trying to get on at Toyota where you can work for a non union company that don't give you a $8500 signing bonus to accept a raise! No but inside 3 years at Toyota you would make more than a 5 year worker at Ford. Race to the bottom and useless scumbags like lilcuntry love it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No but inside 3 years at Toyota you would make more than a 5 year worker at Ford. Race to the bottom and useless scumbags like lilcuntry love it that way. You gotta get hired on at Toyota full time first, they hire mostly temps these days! Know your facts before you contradict ME!!!! Race to the voting machine to Vote Yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Exactly! Pay me now so I can invest it and prepare for my retirement VOTE YES Hahahahaha. Oh that's rich. I came to terms with the fact that I will never be able to retire comfortably. The sooner you do that, the happier you will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 You gotta get hired on at Toyota full time first, they hire mostly temps these days! Know your facts before you contradict ME!!!! Race to the voting machine to Vote Yes!!! Visual example of sycophants in action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambulldog615 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Plus one for " Pay Me Now!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Plus one for " Pay Me Now!" Amen brother invest now prepare for your future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I see a 50% plus raise for tier 2 401k pension. Company contribution goes from 4% to 6.4%. I see nothing aded to the the defined pension for legacy employees. When was the last time there was a raise for our pension? Two or three contracts ago? I can't remember. I don't see two tier voting for us a pension raise in any future contracts as their numbers increase. If we don't get a raise to this this contract I doubt that we ever will. Say as a legacy employee you retire in 10 years, that means that you will retire with the same exact amount of lifetime monthly benefits that a guy who retired 20 years prior to you receives. Think about that. $2.65 was added to The Life Income Benefit in 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 VOTE YES people. Pay me now! Invest now! SOLIDARITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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