buckwiet Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Has anybody heard any rumors of if or when Ford will offer a hybrid engine in the E150? It would seem that that would go a long way toward raising the fleet mileage given the number of them sold. And I want one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Doubtful, why would they do that when they have a Hydrogen E-350? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Doubtful, why would they do that when they have a Hydrogen E-350? I agree. The hybrid Silverado didn't revolutionize the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I don't see a hybrid coming, although it would seem likely that the 4.4 turbodiesel slated for the '09 F-150 will find its way onto the option sheet of the E-150 as well. The specs on the hydrogen E-350 make me laugh too. That 6.8 V10 is such a dog, no matter what they do to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 (edited) http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/10/azure_dynamics_.html It's only the E350 & 450, but you could splurge (and get a step ladder to climb into the thing). Edited January 13, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Doubtful, why would they do that when they have a Hydrogen E-350? Perhaps due to the lack of hydrogen filling stations in most areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) I don't see a hybrid coming, although it would seem likely that the 4.4 turbodiesel slated for the '09 F-150 will find its way onto the option sheet of the E-150 as well. The specs on the hydrogen E-350 make me laugh too. That 6.8 V10 is such a dog, no matter what they do to it. ??? or the best engine in its class? (unless you mean mpg wise, but its still relatively efficient considering the weight/size of the vehicles its found in) There were rumors if hydraulic hybrid f150s, I'd think it would come out on the f150/expy before it made its way to the E150, if at all. Edited February 6, 2007 by Captainp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 ??? or the best engine in its class? (unless you mean mpg wise, but its still relatively efficient considering the weight/size of the vehicles its found in) There were rumors if hydraulic hybrid f150s, I'd think it would come out on the f150/expy before it made its way to the E150, if at all. In reference to the V10, I was speaking mostly about the hydrogen variant being pawned to fleets now. It has 3.3 liter positive displacement twin screw blower and still only cranks out a pathetic 235 horsepower and 310 lb-ft torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Oh, ok. The hydrogen does lack in the power department, but I don't know what you could compare it to to see if the power was on par with other hydrogen powered engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Oh, ok. The hydrogen does lack in the power department, but I don't know what you could compare it to to see if the power was on par with other hydrogen powered engines. It only really needs to be compared to any gas engine to tell us that hydrogen as a form of power for combustion engines is a LONG ways off from really being ready for primetime in any application. The trade-offs in power aren't worth any benefits of using it as a fuel source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterstern Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) It only really needs to be compared to any gas engine to tell us that hydrogen as a form of power for combustion engines is a LONG ways off from really being ready for primetime in any application. The trade-offs in power aren't worth any benefits of using it as a fuel source. Hydrogen is a waste of time. Think about it... Using electricity to make hydrogen only to have it converted back to electricity to power an electric motor.... it's complete nonsense - plus you'll still have carbon dioxide emissions. And don't even get me started about the "safety" of having hydrogen stored at 1000psi and the hazards with refuelling with that kind of setup. A battery electric vehicle makes more sense and would be way cheaper. A battery electric vehicle with a small single cylinder diesel or gas generator would make sense for applications that need more range. And a battery electric vehicle with a solar panel integrated into the roof would make the most sense if absolute ZERO (even zero for carbon dioxide) emissions is the goal. Hydrogen will NEVER be ready for primetime. Edited February 6, 2007 by peterstern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingerGreenbelt/Leader@MTP Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I was told by a launch engineer that the 2008/2009 F150 would be offered with a hybrid option. Ofcourse this particular engineer has been wrong at least once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@_@ Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 What happened to the hydraulic hybrid from few years ago? I though the had couple working prototype and EPA had a website about that too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 What happened to the hydraulic hybrid from few years ago? I though the had couple working prototype and EPA had a website about that too... Good question. :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Kolman Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I thought the hydraulic launch assist (what it really does) was being tested on some city busses... But it's not ready for prime-time... The hydraulic system is too heavy to make it effective in smaller than commercial trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I thought the hydraulic launch assist (what it really does) was being tested on some city busses... But it's not ready for prime-time... The hydraulic system is too heavy to make it effective in smaller than commercial trucks. There was earlier literature claiming it WOULD be available on the new Super Duty. I guess that got canned in part of Ford's Not-So-Bold Moves campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 There was earlier literature claiming it WOULD be available on the new Super Duty. I guess that got canned in part of Ford's Not-So-Bold Moves campaign. Huh? Either it wasn't cost effective (no demand from buyers at a profitable price), or it wasn't as good as we were led to believe (including real world gains in efficiency, or durability problems). It seems incredibly unlikely that Ford's truck guys said, "This is such a good piece of technology, we'd be idiots to put it on our trucks!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 It seems incredibly unlikely that Ford's truck guys said, "This is such a good piece of technology, we'd be idiots to put it on our trucks!" oddly enough with some of the decisions Ford has made over the last 7-10 years that wouldn't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 oddly enough with some of the decisions Ford has made over the last 7-10 years that wouldn't surprise me at all. I dunno. People are, in general short-sighted, and Ford made a lot of short-sighted decisions. But there is a big difference between short sightedness and absolute idiocy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I dunno. People are, in general short-sighted, and Ford made a lot of short-sighted decisions. But there is a big difference between short sightedness and absolute idiocy. Which of these are short sighted and which are absolute idiocy? Not redesigning the Taurus for a decade. Not redesigning the Ranger for over a decade. Not redesigning the Panthers in over a decade. Fitting the Edge with shitty brakes. Launching the Five Hundred with a 203 HP engine. Refreshing the Escape with the same shitty 3.0 and 4-speed automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Getting back to the hybrid E-150. I can see where it would be perfect as a hybrid, however. You've got lots of flat areas under the body to place trays of batteries. If you downsize the gas engine to the D35, you'll have room for the generator/motor in there. I suspect that there's a lot of places that would love to have an E-150 that could manage 20 mpg in the city and 25 or better on the highway (granted, having largely brick-like aerodynamics would tend to limit highway mpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Kolman Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Don't fall in love with one solution for improved fuel economy... None of them are the golden bullet and the optimal solution is different for each application. Fact is once you get to half-ton truck size hybrids loose their effectiveness. The batteries need to get so big that the whole thing gets too heavy. The reason Ford hasn't jumped on the GM hybrid bandwagon is that for a half-tom application hybrids aren't the right answer. A modern european-like deseil can get you 30-50% improvements in fuel economy. The fuel economy isn't just around town, but also on the highway (where hybrids actually make your fuel economy worse), and there isn't a need to find space for a 500+ battery pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Well, if Ford hadn't quietly swept the hybrid launch assist setup that they had planned for the superduty under the rug, that would have been a great fuel saving technology for the econolines as well. There's one thing that Panel Vans have going for them in the hybrid world, though, a great big roof that can be covered in a solar panel. While it won't make a mountain of power, it will, over time, add significantly to the ability of the van to recharge its batteries. Since most are used as day time delivery vehicles, often parked outside to be unloaded, or waiting for a load, they panel will be constantly recharging the battery pack for the next time its running. You could use a smaller battery pack due to how fast it will be refilled and that it is likely to almost always be charged and ready to go when the vehicle is used. I have the same thoughts about city buses. Most are used predominantly during the day. They have HUGE flat roofs that can house many panels that can produce a fairly sizeable amount of juice. While they won't be able to power the bus fully, they will help keep the batteries charged and ready for the next start from a dead stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 What happened to the hydraulic hybrid from few years ago? I though the had couple working prototype and EPA had a website about that too... I wonder too. Battery based hybrids in trucks is not cost effective or efficient next to the hydraulic setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Which of these are short sighted and which are absolute idiocy? Not redesigning the Taurus for a decade. Not redesigning the Ranger for over a decade. Not redesigning the Panthers in over a decade. Fitting the Edge with shitty brakes. Launching the Five Hundred with a 203 HP engine. Refreshing the Escape with the same shitty 3.0 and 4-speed automatic. Agree 100%. And with the Escape, Ford believes it is somehow more cost efficient to keep dozens of engine/transmissions instead of consolidating to a handfull of the good ones. Those guys at Toyota have no idea how to make money....Why the hell did the fusion powertrain not go into the friggin Escape is a complete mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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