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That's the part that doesn't make sense to me either. But there must be a reason.

Who else is still using OHV engines?

I buy a lot of first year vehicles. My 2000 LS, my 2006 Fusion, my daughter's 2012 Focus (both of them). Not once have I complained about any problems. The LS had a lot of minor issues but I expected that and dealt with them. Fusion has been rock solid. Only had 2 minor issues - noisy hvac fan (removed, cleaned and replaced) and a broken door handle ($60 - fixed it myself in 15 minutes). That's it in 7.5 years. MFT upgrade and tranny reprogramming on the new Focus but only 2 actual problems - 2 MFT freezes requiring a fuse pull. Did the MFT upgrade myself and only had to take it to the dealer twice for reprogramming. Yeah those first year cars are HORRIBLE. NOT!

Careful. Ford's chart only addressed the city test, not the overall test. Not sure if that makes a difference but it might.

It's possible that the Ford rep could override that and get the discount applied to the new VIN. Wouldn't hurt to ask.

Not necessarily. He's just more rational than some people.

Nope. Not a chance.

I had never heard of this either until a few years ago. I think they did this one time in the U.S. but they do it frequently in Canada. It's just a different way of offering the same discounts.

They're still using pushrods. They're not sandbagging. They're paddling as fast as they can just to stay a few years behind.

You misunderstood. He doesn't have a PIN. Ford Canada likes to run "employee pricing" sales where they sell the vehicles at the A plan price to everyone (pin not required). They do this instead of cash rebates and low financing. What he's saying is he ordered the car during an employee pricing sale and if he reorders he may not get the same price. It's the same as saying that there was a $1500 rebate when the original vehicle was ordered which is protected but if the car is reordered you get the current rebates or rebates at time of delivery. So I assume the "employee pricing" sale is no longer in effect in Canada.

After further thought I came to this conclusion on my own as well. If Ford is saying 3 mpg increase now it's because they want the competition to target that in their next designs, then when the new one hits the ground it's actually way more than that. Remember the diesel power war with GM trucks? GM debuts a more powerful diesel engine and Ford issues a software update to beat them. We've seen this before and so has GM. If they're smart they'll realize the target isn't 3 mpg but much higher. Then again, even if they know the target I'm not sure they'd be able to match it.

Why are we hearing about all this TWO YEARS before it's released?

I assumed they weren't eligible. Not that it would have mattered.

No "all-new" Chevy truck engines?

Dupe

Think about it. How is Ford going to structure this type of customer rebate? Rebates are on the new vehicle, not the old vehicle. So they can't just put an across the board rebate on every new vehicle. They could send every affected consumer a coupon of some kind worth $2500 towards a new Ford vehicle but that takes time. This type of dealer cash is the quickest way for Ford to get this rebate to consumers. So even though it is possible for a dealer to keep some of it I wouldn't say that this is a bad thing at all.

2013 Fusion launched with 3 new drivetrains (2.0L hybrid, 1.6L EB, 2.0L EB). Same for Escape with the 1.6L and 2.0L EBs. I don't think it's a conscious decision to hold back a new engine that's ready to go.

Was that a retail order that somebody backed out of or did the dealer lie about it being a retail (sold) order? The order guide says manual trans are for retail order only (which I don't understand).

Seriously?

Maybe the class is "Full-Sized trucks with pushrods".

Some people think that additional sales always yield more profit (which we know is total BS). Or they just want a mfr to build something THEY want to buy regardless of the business case. Or they think that if the mfr builds something that doesn't have a market today that it will somehow magically create a new market yielding big future profits. And of course they think they know more about market trends than the auto mfrs who have entire organizations who do that for a living.

It's not the compression - it's the timing. Ford advances the timing to take advantage of premium fuel. It's more accurate to say that the timing is advanced to take advantage of premium fuel rather than retarding it for lower octane, but the result is the same.

Here we go again. Why does everyone who doesn't drive a crossover or SUV think that everyone who does only does it for image? There is no "image" to driving an Escape, Edge or Expedition. None whatsoever. A blinged out Escalade on 24" wheels? Sure. But the majority of suv and cuv owners simply prefer either the utility and/or styling. My wife prefers the higher seating position.

I looked in my garage and I don't see those 19" H spokes. Are you sure you shipped them to me when you took them off?

And don't just make up gibberish topics and then ask for tracking help. Some people get really upset about that......