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Since when does the govt do anything logical?

They may have good volume but profit margins are probably lower than they want. Some of that is due to the competition, some due to higher costs. But they’re not just killing vehicles - they’re diverting those resources to new vehicles that either promise higher margins or are strategically more important to the company. E.g. if they had kept Focus they would have had to build a new factory and hire dozens if not hundreds more people and there is no way Focus would generate enough profit to cover that added cost. So they replaced it with Bronco and Ranger.

And you just keep ignoring the 25% reduction in co2 even when it’s not being plugged in.

It is possible they decide to bring back Nautilus and design a new C2 edge for Oakville. They could even move Corsair and Escape if they need space in Louisville for the new cheap EVs. They can still use the Canadian batteries for hybrids. I just don’t see the 3 row EVs fitting into Ford’s future plans at this point.

I think that’s the point that Ford reports it as a delivery and no longer carries it in their tracking system. Apparently Stellantis doesn’t do that.

Here we go again. BEVs are not viable for the majority of buyers and won’t be for many years and probably decades. So the choice TODAY for most buyers is ICE or HEV. HEVs provide tangible benefits with almost no drawbacks or compromises until EVs are ready.

Going from 5.6 to 4.3 is a 23% reduction. On the Escape going from 4.3 to 3.4 metric tons is a 24% reduction. If you’re trying to say those reductions aren’t significant then there is no point continuing the discussion.

I didn’t word that correctly. I thought that after a certain amount of time after a vehicle was discontinued if it was still in dealer inventory Ford would do something so that they didn’t have to continue reporting it in the sales data. You don’t see Ford reporting sales of vehicles that were discontinued 3 years ago. Or do they just do a better job of getting rid of them.

And do not say “Here’s the thing”……. 😂

I rest my case. You keep saying over and over that hybrids aren’t that much better. Going from 21 city to 30 city and from 24 to 30 combined AND getting more power to boot is quite significant.

He is right most of the time. Just wait until he’s wrong and watch the toddler throw a hissy fit.

Exactly. Not sure why that’s so hard to u derstand.

I give up. Hybrids are terrible and plug in hybrids are more terrible. Go it. Move on.

Producing more hybrids, scaling back EVs to match demand that has somewhat plateaued and waiting for next gen cheaper batteries. If only somebody had suggested that 3 years ago……

Which is EXACTLY THE POINT. The assumptions that are made in the estimates don’t match reality. So the estimates are flawed. But for those who DO plug in the savings are huge.

Demand was never a question.

I think when this happens with Ford they just sell the vehicle to the dealer at a huge discount to get it off the books. Maybe @ice-capades can confirm.

The main reason is folks are buying them before they’re gone. This is the last month unless something changes.

Here you go….

That’s a 25% improvement. Times millions of vehicles sold per year. Yes, that’s quite significant.

RTFM! Just to clarify the part I was calling stupid was the ridiculing, not your personal preferences. I agree the V8 is better but that doesn’t mean the ecoboost is bad. And the point of comparing the cobra is that the base ecoboost is better than the top mustang V8 just a couple of decades ago. Sound isn’t everything and the original Mustang was far from a barn burner in 1964. So I respectfully disagree that the ecoboost is somehow a crime against history.

In this case Texasota is 100% correct. All those articles are saying is that based on a sample of real world fuel economy (sample being the key word) owners are using more gasoline than predicted which means they aren’t driving as much on electric power alone. However - that could also be because the owner drives 150 miles a day not just because they aren’t recharging. And his point is still true - even if you don’t plug in a PHEV it’s still as good as a hybrid and still far better than a non hybrid.

Money is almost always the answer.

Oh I agree the v8 is more desirable but it’s really stupid to ridicule a Mustang with 315 hp and until last year was offered with a manual and gets 24 mpg combined and 31 highway.

Thats pretty stupid considering it’s faster than a 98 V8 Cobra.