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Don't know if there is a "race" going on with the "chip thing" being what it is................................WE all know what kind of numbers the Silverado does under "normal market conditions" and it's alot more than 29,670 units. So-a RACE? REALLY?

Again-who ever has vehicles are going to sell them. Who sold the most-doesn't make them the "sales king" it just means they had chips. I believe the situation last month (or maybe it was two months ago) where GM sold the most trucks because they had chips. The Nissan Titan is up 17% YTD and the dealers around me are getting $5,000.00 over sticker. That's tells us where things are.

Somehow your forum name suits you....somehow.

That was the picture that was released first. Ironically-it is the worst color combination. While still not attractive-it looks better in some of the other colors. The one featured on their cover story is better- https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37691954/2022-toyota-tundra-twin-turbo-hybrid-v-6-is-all-about-torque/ Scroll down for image gallery in the above link.

There are some on the FB group "Tundra Crew" who think that their "V8" truck is going to go up in value once the twin turbo motor comes out. While resale will always be strong, when a twin turbo puts out more horsepower and torque ( and presumably more mpg) than the outgoing V8-it's wishful thinking. I had to remind them one of the country's biggest seller of trucks (Ford) has a very small take rate of the V8 compared to the turbo motors.

Well said.

Unfortunately-at times it's so biased on here that the replies are real far in left field-or seemingly coming from an alternate universe. I will never forget "Fordbuyers" "birdseed" comment. That goes down in Blue Oval News hall of infamy.

Last time I checked the Tundra is built in Texas by Americans-supported by Dealerships owned by Americans-that employ Americans. Maybe you could elaborate on your thinking.

Yea-but the V6 makes bigger numbers than the outgoing V8. Yea but some Truck=V8.

There was...not just on here perhaps.

I think the leaked pictures plastered all over the Internet of the redesigned trucks took a lot of excitement away as it is.

Quite frankly-it doesn't look like they need a Raptor competitor. It looks like the "Trail Boss Custom Trim" is already selling well-and this should do even better.

Well...as often said-looks are subjective-And I don't think it looks bad-rather generic IMHO.

The new Tundra isn't great looking....but isn't bad either. The back is a little off-but the front is as generic as Ford. Chevy went bold with their (1500) front end-but those "side burn" air damns killed it. Those "side burns" thing will be going away with the soon to be released refresh. Chevrolet HD trucks are a whole other situation.

The headlight example was an "off the cuff" one. But I'm sure even with the poor example you get my point.

Wireless charging and having a USB port is redundant-this subject was discussed on a Silverado forum recently and how none of us would miss it.. If you have a family-you need a Crew Cab. It's a known fact that pickup trucks either haul air (remember wants vs. needs)-or do double duty hauling the family travel trailer occasionally and dropping the kids off at school. Many want creature comforts in their vehicles since many keep them in excess of 10 years. What many DON'T LIKE (and even you mentioned it)is the silly way all manufacturers bundle option packages. For example LED headlights lights are great for driving at night but I shouldn't have to buy a sunroof to get them. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33457915/average-age-vehicles-on-road-12-years/#:~:text=UPDATE 6%2F21%2F21%3A,to research from IHS Markit.

Let's clarify-That $60,000.00 pickup truck that you now order on Ford's website -two years ago would have been a $48,000.00 or $50,000.00 pickup during "truck month" not that long ago. You are talking a little more than inflation.... alot more. My $54,000.00 Silverado I bought off the lot in 2018-was $42,000.00 (plus taxes/fees) and was 5,000.00 cheaper than the F-150 at that point in time. Now-Ford just has to see if GM and RAM will play nice. You are not going to see discounts on the new Tundra. Still will be buying a new truck next year-the Tundra's new look-while certainly not exciting-isn't offensive either-now that we have seen some REAL PICTURES. Can't see myself buying another GM product. So-it's Ford or Toyota.

Life's too short to drive around in an Econo Box-IMHO.

You know there are other factors such as emotions that go along with vehicle purchases..don' you? Many of us could get by with a Fiesta (or the like). They certainly do in many parts of Europe.

True-but it's about costs. Can the domestics cost structure take the Chinese competition? That's the golden question.

Well over on TFL truck in the comments section under "2022 Tundra Spied in shipping yard" there are some real pictures of the 2022 Tundra. Love the inside-the front is rather pickup truck generic. There seems to be some controversy under the rights of the pictures-so I'm not posting the link or pictures. But they are there.

Anybody discounting the Chinese entering the U.S. market is mistaken. GAC makes some really nice looking CUVs/SUVs. Great Wall is also a large manufacturer. THEY WILL enter the U.S. market. Not sure when-or what vehicle segment-but they are coming at some point. And with the ATP in all segments going to (for some) astronomical levels-it leaves a door open. https://www.gac-motor.com/en/index

If you have those assets-you are not "middle class". And hopefully that land is appreciating. If it isn't-it should be sold. Congrats on the medical coverage.

IMHO-you are not going to see vehicle pricing reduction of 20%. I'm not going to see that in my local Real Estate market either. It sounds like your retirement planning-respectfully could be flawed. I have rental properties-if inflation goes up so do my rents.

I bought my Silverado back in 2018 for $12,000.00 off the $54,000 sticker (LTZ Crew Cab 4-WD fully loaded). It was $5,000.00 less than the comparable Ford at the time. So yes-at that point in time they were. I cross shopped both.