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I would think anybody who wants a three row SUV-with a "Jeep look". I don't even think 4WD comes in to play-it's the "look".

Not sure. Many Silverado owners have been have been complaining about the interior verses the better interior of both Ford and RAM. How many would have looked elsewhere if there was no update? Also, you had some owners who didn't like the "side burn" air dams of the 2019-2021Silverados. Many citing that reason for not upgrading. That has been addressed as well. AS far as the Tundra-the biggest complaint was abysmal mpg. That has been addressed with the new turbo motor. Ford just had a new F-150 come out the last year or two. Of course-as long as who has inventory- pretty much regardless of the name on the hood-is going to sell trucks these days-until the "chip thing" rectifies itself-it's hard to see how all of this will play out.

Maybe-but there is nothing ground breaking with this new model. It will sell for those who want a Toyota-but there is nothing here to make one switch brands if they are a "die hard" for whatever make they are driving.

If Hertz bought electric Mustangs/F-150 Lightnings the tone on this thread would be much different.......

Don't disagree-but they will probably sell somewhere north of 100,000 units once things normalize.

Toyota enjoys almost 50% of this segment.......not a "loyalist product" like the Tundra.

Silverado sold like 29,000 units last month because that's all they could build because of the "chip" thing. It seems this continuous talk of a "race" is nonsensical under current market conditions and means nothing....As I write this I have just learned Ford shut down Maverick production due to lack of parts....

There was a not-calibrated test on the new Tundra over at TFL Truck and it was sitting at 20mpg at mixed driving. I would expect a few more mpg at highway speeds.

Basically the new Tundra meets "middle ground" for capability-and will keep the faithful happy. Conquest sales-I think the only manufacturer that has those are RAM. I don't think there is anything in the F-150 (with the power boost-being the ONLY EXCEPTION), Silverado, or Titan to move anybody over to another brand-JMHO.

Those "Everything else" employ a lot of people in the U.S. and add a lot of money to our economy. With all due respect-I find your views on this matter-simplistic at best.

This should even make you more HAPPY!:) Toyota cash on hand for the quarter ending June 30, 2021 was $71.664B, a 12.06% decline year-over-year. Yea- ONLY 71.66 Billion. There was a previous thread how "Domestic and Foreign" manufacturers are really blurred. These vehicles are "Most American"- 1. Tesla Model 3: Fremont, Calif. (4) | Research | Shop 2. Ford Mustang: Flat Rock, Mich. (34) | Research | Shop 3. Tesla Model Y: Fremont, Calif. (unranked) | Research | Shop 4. Jeep Cherokee: Belvidere, Ill. (2) | Research | Shop 5. Chevrolet Corvette: Bowling Green, Ky. (8) | Research | Shop 6. Honda Ridgeline: Lincoln, Ala. (6) | Research | Shop 7. Honda Odyssey: Lincoln, Ala. (5) | Research | Shop 8. Honda Pilot: Lincoln, Ala. (13) | Research | Shop 9. Honda Passport: Lincoln, Ala. (7) | Research | Shop 10. Toyota Tundra: San Antonio (16) | Research | Shop 11. Ford Expedition, Expedition Max: Louisville, Ky. (20) | Research | Shop 12. Acura RDX: East Liberty, Ohio (14) | Research | Shop 13. Acura TLX: Marysville, Ohio (25) | Research | Shop 14. Chevrolet Colorado: Wentzville, Mo. (10) | Research | Shop 15. GMC Canyon: Wentzville, Mo. (11) | Research | Shop 16. Jeep Grand Cherokee: Detroit (26) | Research | Shop 17. Honda Accord: Marysville, Ohio (15) | Research | Shop 18. Toyota Avalon: Georgetown, Ky. (29) | Research | Shop 19. Lexus ES: Georgetown, Ky.* (28) | Research | Shop 20. Lincoln Navigator, Navigator L: Louisville, Ky. (54) | Research | Shop https://www.cars.com/articles/2021-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-437020/

We basically agree. It's silly to mention who is outselling whom on a monthly basis in this critical time for the auto industry in general. I would argue that even this years sales are meaningless based on the "chip thing". It's going to be hard to pump up the volume at the end of year when you don't have chips to "race" against your competitor. Of course-the downside is there will be high prices for vehicle buyers for at least the next 12 months or so-IMHO.

Don't know if there is a "race" going on with the "chip thing" being what it is................................WE all know what kind of numbers the Silverado does under "normal market conditions" and it's alot more than 29,670 units. So-a RACE? REALLY?

Again-who ever has vehicles are going to sell them. Who sold the most-doesn't make them the "sales king" it just means they had chips. I believe the situation last month (or maybe it was two months ago) where GM sold the most trucks because they had chips. The Nissan Titan is up 17% YTD and the dealers around me are getting $5,000.00 over sticker. That's tells us where things are.

Somehow your forum name suits you....somehow.

That was the picture that was released first. Ironically-it is the worst color combination. While still not attractive-it looks better in some of the other colors. The one featured on their cover story is better- https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37691954/2022-toyota-tundra-twin-turbo-hybrid-v-6-is-all-about-torque/ Scroll down for image gallery in the above link.

There are some on the FB group "Tundra Crew" who think that their "V8" truck is going to go up in value once the twin turbo motor comes out. While resale will always be strong, when a twin turbo puts out more horsepower and torque ( and presumably more mpg) than the outgoing V8-it's wishful thinking. I had to remind them one of the country's biggest seller of trucks (Ford) has a very small take rate of the V8 compared to the turbo motors.

Well said.

Unfortunately-at times it's so biased on here that the replies are real far in left field-or seemingly coming from an alternate universe. I will never forget "Fordbuyers" "birdseed" comment. That goes down in Blue Oval News hall of infamy.

Last time I checked the Tundra is built in Texas by Americans-supported by Dealerships owned by Americans-that employ Americans. Maybe you could elaborate on your thinking.

Yea-but the V6 makes bigger numbers than the outgoing V8. Yea but some Truck=V8.

There was...not just on here perhaps.

I think the leaked pictures plastered all over the Internet of the redesigned trucks took a lot of excitement away as it is.

Quite frankly-it doesn't look like they need a Raptor competitor. It looks like the "Trail Boss Custom Trim" is already selling well-and this should do even better.

Well...as often said-looks are subjective-And I don't think it looks bad-rather generic IMHO.