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I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. But I have feeling GM may not play like this. If we agree Ford, GM, and RAM are competitive products-all it takes is for one (my bet is on GM) to offer $5,000.00 off sticker and even SOME of those loyal to one brand will at least consider a test drive. Then if there are enough "conquest sales" Ford may have to reconsider. Profitability at what ultimate cost?

If/when we ever see $10,00.00 off MSRP-a lot of people who bought are going to see their equity evaporate. Of course-with Ford we may never see those kind of discounts again-or at least for a foreseeable future. So-I guess right now you can pay sticker-$1,00.00 off for ordering-then dealer markup OVER MSRP then finance with Ford credit at 0%. Such a deal.

Replies are interesting. If Ford was at the top of the chart it would be " gloat city".

So Ford according to their Dealer Meeting they just had -said they are NOT sending stored vehicles out to their dealers as of right now. They know they have potential problems on many levels. Good for them.

Yes- dealers spray off dust- keeping contamination at a minimum.

You must of missed the last third of this thread if you feel there is no down playing issues. And I never said they should be crushed.

When you drag your finger tips over clear coat and it feels like sand paper-and these trucks clearly will need paint correction, it's not over blown. Nor-is it over blown to expect a paint job to last the life of the vehicle when you are dropping $50,000 to $80,000 on a truck. What is over blown is the minimizing of issues both real (paint) and the potential of issues (rodents, etc.) on these vehicles sitting for months in storage.

Yep-lots of lack of knowledge on this subject and no first hand experience. These vehicles will be much worse than those sitting on a dealer's lot for 60 or 90 days in regards to contamination on the clearcoat.. As a matter of fact-it would be real interesting to track warranty costs (of course we will never know) from the trucks on the "rot lots"-once they are delivered to customers.

It's quite obvious there are many on here who have never detailed a vehicle with a clay bar and have absolutely no idea of what I am talking about...and can only make baseless arguments..

So others reading this board and contemplating a purchase can ask the dealer for the proper paint treatment BEFORE TAKING DELIVERY.

This has to be one of the silliest comments I have ever read on an auto forum.....

My vehicles receive a clay bar once a year-and a paint treatment every six months.. And my errands don't entail parking in a lot for a better part of a year.

Paint contamination is a given here-yes my vehicles are parked in a garage. And once a year they get the clay bar treatment by me. There is absolutely no way the paint surface will not have contamination. Saying other wise is naïve at best. This forum is so biased at times -its in an alternate universe.

Paint surface contamination is a GIVEN. It can be remedied with a clay bar application. Premature dry rot of tires are a POSSIBILITY along with critters chewing up things. Yet-I am assuming that automatically applying a clay bar application isn't going to happen.

I personally wouldn't buy of of these trucks that has been sitting for several months. There is going to be paint surface contamination. Are the dealers going to "clay bar" the trucks before delivery? How does the sun blaring at the tires affect dry rot? For those who don't drive many miles, the tires could be subject to a shorter life. I haven't ruled out an F150 for my next truck purchase. But it will defiantly not be one sitting in the "rot lots". BTW-dealers run through their vehicles (generally) much faster than the vehicles that have been sitting in these lots.

Of course the (Ford) "regulars" on this board are excellent "excuse makers".......

Not that this means ANYTHING undercurrent market conditions-but they are selling PLENTY of Silverados right now.

Yea-but if you haven't taken delivery you are going to wait a very long time...... https://jalopnik.com/ford-is-embarrassed-by-the-ford-bronco-hard-top-problem-1847485040

Your are correct. And if I took the time to do a "google search" on the F-150s there would be plenty of issues/recalls, etc. I don't really find posts of this nature in regards to any vehicle that fruitful. Look at the disaster of the Bronco launch, roofs, etc.

At this points all the "teasers" (for the NEW 2022) point to a competitive product. It looks like a six cylinder with twin turbos and IRS. Calling the new model inferior-with very little information thus far-and before it hits the show room is really biased....but I get it-this is a FORD BOARD.

NOT TRUE. I am still undecided. Have to see what the market price is (with both Ford/Toyota) and what the grill on the non-TRD Tundra looks like.

I was in a Ford Dealership just when the pandemic started (about a year ago) and availability was coming in to question-this dealership was offering little in the way of incentives/discounts. Just before I walked out I had the "mandatory" interaction with the sales manager. I said I wasn't going to buy one until I could get $10,000.00 off sticker. (As had been previously practiced at certain times of year) and he told me it will probably be "at least a year" before that happens. I said OK-I will wait. NOW-if "made to order" results in higher transaction prices"-so putting the Tundra on my list is a result of "unintended circumstances" of Ford making a change in the way they do business. I can pay (possibly) slightly more for the Tundra-get it back at trade in time. It's really very simple.

It's still a Nissan top seller and the third best seller in it's segment.

Resale value and reliability. For me-there is no debut on these two issues. I know guys that have Tundras-it's true they suck gas but are dead nuts reliable. The resale issue speaks in the facts-available to anyone. The gas sucking aspect looks like it will be going away-and be on par with the competition-probably.

OK-Fair point. Let me put this another way. The Ford will have to be over $5,000.00 cheaper for me to buy it over the (possible) Tundra.