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Paint surface contamination is a GIVEN. It can be remedied with a clay bar application. Premature dry rot of tires are a POSSIBILITY along with critters chewing up things. Yet-I am assuming that automatically applying a clay bar application isn't going to happen.

I personally wouldn't buy of of these trucks that has been sitting for several months. There is going to be paint surface contamination. Are the dealers going to "clay bar" the trucks before delivery? How does the sun blaring at the tires affect dry rot? For those who don't drive many miles, the tires could be subject to a shorter life. I haven't ruled out an F150 for my next truck purchase. But it will defiantly not be one sitting in the "rot lots". BTW-dealers run through their vehicles (generally) much faster than the vehicles that have been sitting in these lots.

Of course the (Ford) "regulars" on this board are excellent "excuse makers".......

Not that this means ANYTHING undercurrent market conditions-but they are selling PLENTY of Silverados right now.

Yea-but if you haven't taken delivery you are going to wait a very long time...... https://jalopnik.com/ford-is-embarrassed-by-the-ford-bronco-hard-top-problem-1847485040

Your are correct. And if I took the time to do a "google search" on the F-150s there would be plenty of issues/recalls, etc. I don't really find posts of this nature in regards to any vehicle that fruitful. Look at the disaster of the Bronco launch, roofs, etc.

At this points all the "teasers" (for the NEW 2022) point to a competitive product. It looks like a six cylinder with twin turbos and IRS. Calling the new model inferior-with very little information thus far-and before it hits the show room is really biased....but I get it-this is a FORD BOARD.

NOT TRUE. I am still undecided. Have to see what the market price is (with both Ford/Toyota) and what the grill on the non-TRD Tundra looks like.

I was in a Ford Dealership just when the pandemic started (about a year ago) and availability was coming in to question-this dealership was offering little in the way of incentives/discounts. Just before I walked out I had the "mandatory" interaction with the sales manager. I said I wasn't going to buy one until I could get $10,000.00 off sticker. (As had been previously practiced at certain times of year) and he told me it will probably be "at least a year" before that happens. I said OK-I will wait. NOW-if "made to order" results in higher transaction prices"-so putting the Tundra on my list is a result of "unintended circumstances" of Ford making a change in the way they do business. I can pay (possibly) slightly more for the Tundra-get it back at trade in time. It's really very simple.

It's still a Nissan top seller and the third best seller in it's segment.

Resale value and reliability. For me-there is no debut on these two issues. I know guys that have Tundras-it's true they suck gas but are dead nuts reliable. The resale issue speaks in the facts-available to anyone. The gas sucking aspect looks like it will be going away-and be on par with the competition-probably.

OK-Fair point. Let me put this another way. The Ford will have to be over $5,000.00 cheaper for me to buy it over the (possible) Tundra.

Actually-I agree. If I can get $10,0000.00 off a F-150-I will buy one. BUT-that doesn't seem to be what everybody is implying will happen-with build to order. It's going to need to be that much-I don't think $5,000.00 will move the needle away from the Tundra, if I like what I see in the final product. But-Toyota doesn't have anywhere near the capacity in Texas that you are referring too. And high resale value is a "given"-not a "hope".

I was considering an F-150 for my next truck. I am liking what I see with the Toyota-except for the Grill. We will have to wait to see what the grill looks like on the non-TRD version. If discounts are going to be little (to non-existent) with the new "build to order" program with the F-150, then the Toyota becomes a contender-due to Toyota's traditional high resale value-if I'm paying sticker it's good to know I can get some of those monies back at trade in time.

Please explain.....

So-the only issue is that will GM and RAM play along? You can make an argument that one can get a "decent" truck no matter what one buys from the three I mentioned. For those who don't want to order and wait-and are indifferent to brands-and the competition has more choices on their lot, with immediate delivery-IS THAT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? This month GM had an incentive of $4,500 off of certain Silverados.

Really useless to talk about "sales numbers," especially vs. the competition at this juncture. It would seem who ever has chips and can complete vehicles are going to sell them.

Toyota has only sold 11,000 Avalons last year. I think YTD 9,000 units. Not good-even in COVID times.

Your friends got very, very luck if they got a Toyota Tundra "on the cheap". Usually-they command top dollar-even at 11mpg. And you can get 10grand off sticker-but that's rare as well-and you got to work VERY HARD to obtain that discount.

I think any sales/flops predictions are on hold until market conditions adjust.

I think you are probably correct!

With all due respect-Most people didn't shop Subaru at all when the BRAT was around. With the Telluride and Palisades the Koreans are a household name.

Why not all three? Well...it looks like a conventional truck-is that good or bad comparing it to the Santa Fe? The Silverado-as polarizing as the design is (I don't like it-at all!) hasn't stopped it from selling well. While some say Ford went "too conservative" on the new F-150. So-it will be interesting. Also you can make the argument the Maverick will outsell the Santa Cruz based on the massive dealer network vs. Hyundai whose network is much smaller.

Help me here- I thought this whole thing stared because all the car makers really don't have an exclusive factory for their chips. These same factories make chips that go in game consoles, phones, tvs, etc. It's not like these factories can just throw production runs over to another company-they have to balance out ALL THEIR (chip) CUSTOMERS as well.

Don't disagree. But this has so many potential issues and all Ford has to do is mess up their best seller with both RAM and GM gaining market share.