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Actually-I agree. If I can get $10,0000.00 off a F-150-I will buy one. BUT-that doesn't seem to be what everybody is implying will happen-with build to order. It's going to need to be that much-I don't think $5,000.00 will move the needle away from the Tundra, if I like what I see in the final product. But-Toyota doesn't have anywhere near the capacity in Texas that you are referring too. And high resale value is a "given"-not a "hope".

I was considering an F-150 for my next truck. I am liking what I see with the Toyota-except for the Grill. We will have to wait to see what the grill looks like on the non-TRD version. If discounts are going to be little (to non-existent) with the new "build to order" program with the F-150, then the Toyota becomes a contender-due to Toyota's traditional high resale value-if I'm paying sticker it's good to know I can get some of those monies back at trade in time.

Please explain.....

So-the only issue is that will GM and RAM play along? You can make an argument that one can get a "decent" truck no matter what one buys from the three I mentioned. For those who don't want to order and wait-and are indifferent to brands-and the competition has more choices on their lot, with immediate delivery-IS THAT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? This month GM had an incentive of $4,500 off of certain Silverados.

Really useless to talk about "sales numbers," especially vs. the competition at this juncture. It would seem who ever has chips and can complete vehicles are going to sell them.

Toyota has only sold 11,000 Avalons last year. I think YTD 9,000 units. Not good-even in COVID times.

Your friends got very, very luck if they got a Toyota Tundra "on the cheap". Usually-they command top dollar-even at 11mpg. And you can get 10grand off sticker-but that's rare as well-and you got to work VERY HARD to obtain that discount.

I think any sales/flops predictions are on hold until market conditions adjust.

I think you are probably correct!

With all due respect-Most people didn't shop Subaru at all when the BRAT was around. With the Telluride and Palisades the Koreans are a household name.

Why not all three? Well...it looks like a conventional truck-is that good or bad comparing it to the Santa Fe? The Silverado-as polarizing as the design is (I don't like it-at all!) hasn't stopped it from selling well. While some say Ford went "too conservative" on the new F-150. So-it will be interesting. Also you can make the argument the Maverick will outsell the Santa Cruz based on the massive dealer network vs. Hyundai whose network is much smaller.

Help me here- I thought this whole thing stared because all the car makers really don't have an exclusive factory for their chips. These same factories make chips that go in game consoles, phones, tvs, etc. It's not like these factories can just throw production runs over to another company-they have to balance out ALL THEIR (chip) CUSTOMERS as well.

Don't disagree. But this has so many potential issues and all Ford has to do is mess up their best seller with both RAM and GM gaining market share.

Higher transaction prices seem to be made consciously by buyers in selecting nicer vehicles with big option packages. So your last sentence is very telling-will it be a young persons truck, small business gardener owner's choice, or compete against the Santa Cruz as a lifestyle vehicle? I find the "lifestyle" part hard to fathom.

It has disaster written all over this. I MEAN REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS..............

That lead will probably evaporate in the next 60 days.

Unfinished products-sitting for months in uncovered storage with record heat- What could this possibly cause long term? Dash warpage? Paint Issues? Tire Dry Rot? Upholstery issues? I am looking at a NEW F-150 down the road. Can anyone project how long the existing inventory sitting out there, soon to be completed with chips - will it take dealers to go through the inventory? I don't want one of these units. Has Ford ever come up with a fix for the rusty trucks coming out of Michigan?

IMHO-The Accord is on it's way out and this vehicle will take it's place for both classes of vehicles-eventually.

Whats exciting is the 3.5 will most likely make it in to the 2022 Tundra. Therefore-it's probable the 2022 Tundra will have more standard horsepower than the 3.5 Eco-Boost. But Ford in the near term doesn't need to worry because at most the Texas plant is limited to 200,000 units and the Sequoia will be manufactured there as well-eating in to that number.

I would agree here. I don't think under one can put any reasoning to any sales numbers-by any vehicle manufacturer under theses market conditions. Once things normalize-some sales numbers will not be good for some that look good now. The Escape particularly comes to mind.

So basically you just described a factory direct business model. Except for service alone-who needs dealers?

It's hard to know how wide-spread the rust issue is when truck inventories on dealer lots are almost non-existent. Would it be more wide spread if there were more trucks to buy? What has been done to correct the issue in Dearborn?

What will the guys do that state they don't care about payload and just load their truck up whenever they feel like it-and what ever weight it happens to be? Good idea by Ford though.

As I said previously-they "tweaked it" and it actually looks better.