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Sir, General, Sir, Sir, by the General`s standards, yes a pure attempt at sarcasm, Sir. Even a good stash can`t make the shit going on at Chicago look any better. Decker

OKAY... :o which one of you squealers... told ????? "You" ...who ever it was, has gone and done it.....now!!! Really, how else did the Glass House Crew ever find out that our decision makers were, to put it mildly "So Screwed UP" :fan: Its been a long time since the Glass House Crew had a sleep over in Chicago. But, there right (always) everything will be better when the food and drink is not out on the production floor. Being focused on "built with pride" (once again right, right, right) (always) means no discussions on the line other than about "bettering the product" or "completing your operational task more efficiently". For those supervisors that do interact with their employee`s, you will be moved so you can nurtured your true sense of hate, so as to interact properly in the "One Ford Way". You squealers had to go and tell.... Dearborn, would have never guessed CAP was screwed up.... I mean come on.. a few extra units sitting around for a little to long or some units not completely assembled or the Op Com members looking for rental space to park units. Really, Dearborn would have never found out. Well maybe...?? :unsure: Hold on, the guided tours to the exit have begun..... B) Decker 1 of the 1788

Yeah.. Yeah, I know.... "Blessed". I knew, there was more of a reason to love those sisters/brothers of the Trades than just there great chairs and tasty donuts.... Let me try to describe a warm and fuzzy moment, from today`s atta boy/girl session. Seems a heard of local and corporate, muckity mucks were touring the plant today. Seems they were here to see first hand how well we are doing.... By all "reports" from our decision maker at CAP everything is well in control and in speck, so the muckity mucks were here for the high fives, back patting and maybe an atta boy/girl or two. Well,,, seems the reports may have embellished just a bit... Ever seen the look on the face of that muskrat, when he see`s the lights of your car, 50 feet away from his hairy little ass? Okay, now multiply that look by 6 or 8 of the face`s strolling down the Chassis line today. Now that brings me to the warm and fuzzy.... Seems one of the muckity mucks was going on and on about the "DATA" this and the "DATA" that.... on and on about the "REPORT" this and the "REPORT" that... A responding (yep another break down) member of the Trades, must have overheard some of the discussions and some of the talk of D-A-T-A.... because at some (most likely inopportune timing for the muckity mucks) point, I understand the Trades person asked a question..... "Ever Hear the term"... "Garbage in... Garbage out" Now, I understand the muckities just went about there official important business.... Me and most that have been told the story... DAM NEAR WET OUR PANTS !!!!! :hysterical2: See Armstrong, not only are we blessed with Trades members that can think quick on their feet (also in their chairs) we have learned from being CUBS fans to look for the bright spots in a losing season.... Decker 1 of the 1788

Up Date.... How`s... "2" X12 X 6 or 7 sound? Not anything like "3" X 8 X 5 or "3" Crew... Yep, the decision makers started the 12 hour schedule talk, for Pre-Delivery, Repair Wholes, Drivers and all QC members, today. 24 hours of coverage... not 24 hours of Production. Oh Yeah, now we`re rolling. The Little House of Horror`s is now up and running. (MOD Center) One thing for sure, before they pull the center poll out, we at CAP will be seeing some nice direct deposits, before they close the circus down for the season. Dam, if the decision makers don't have this place screwed up...... :titanic: Decker 1 of the 1788 (venting, just venting Armstrong) :rolleyes:

The old, "Bait and Switch" that every used car sales person has used on the south side for years..... Tetreault, was a car sales person on the south side (CAP).... I wonder if Bob, fell for it... or...???? What was I thinking... Bob, is for all the new jobs and repeatedly stating the phrase "adding a shift"... hmmm Decker 1 of the 1788

I agree brother this crap is here for a long time.... and yep it sucks!!! Two things to straighten out. First, I`m old so the rhetoric might just be old... Second, nope never have and never will, been a member of American Quarter Horse Riders for years, so I know beating a horse is something people get shot for... oh, just to set the record straight that's a tattoo of a tear on my cheek.... :shades:

Dam, Dam, Dam it !!! I always wanted a Pity Party..... :hysterical2: Armstrong, I have laughed my ass off sitting at this computer so many times. With the help of the posts from The General, Fatso, SU FI and others. It`s a way I get by, young brother. You want to bust a gut Armstrong??? read 60 opening at Avon.... try it, The General will make you smile and I bet if you let it, you`ll laugh your ass off :hysterical2:

You are so right brother, every day the same stupid shit.... all that`s missing is a stuffed ground hog.

Okay... Okay... I GET IT... I really GET IT... Armstrong, you are at a plant that doesn`t have a bright future, I know, I know!!!! I feel your fear and frustration or should I say read it? In past posts you went off with the name calling, I was not offend by that and I`m some what okay with being called an ASSHOLE if you have to vent young brother, if it helps your blood pressure?? But, would you man up and just spell the dam word out.... We are adults here so you can spell ASS. This fear and frustration is getting to you brother.... Someday, you may realize that to much of a good thing might not be a good thing. Ever read anything about how those coal miners had all the work they could work? Some must have been assholes in your opinion, because some of those slackers didn`t like breathing that shit for 14 hours a day.... Have you ever sat and talked with any fellow members that have just been told they have to start a 4X12 schedule? Ever listen, to a Trades member wondering how he`s going to remain a coach for his son`s ball team when his schedule now includes the two days that 90% of the free world consider, as free time? Sitting in the electricians crib talking with other members and a family member (has his own chair and likes donuts, just like other electricians out here, must be in the training??) about the whole AWS thing. I guess you might consider them as assholes too, because we all were pointing out the disadvantages of these AWS schedules. Seems our Trades will be on a different AWS from production. As usual there is no fighting this crab because the national contract has so many loop holes in it. Not only does the contract look like Swiss cheese it smells like Swiss cheese that has spent a week in the corner under your bed. Yes, I GET IT.. Armstrong... you haven`t had to look at a schedule that looks like the one CAP just had the great pleasure of receiving. I`m sure you haven`t had to figure out how to work in a breakfast with a daughter because she hasn`t seen the old man in weeks. Her schedule is one where there are a lot of 9 to 5`s in it. When did these kids become so independent and realize the old man is working a really weird schedule? But, I`m an Asshole? Armstrong yours is not the only world with adversities... It has not been that long ago that we at CAP felt your fear, first hand. Then low and behold, the company decision makers and International decision makers find a way to put you against me and after all the hoop plaa about NEW J-O-B`s and all the product AAI and all the other plants will get we got a contract that to put it "nicely children" SUCKS" yep "SUCKS".... New JOBS...really? Product for AAI...really? There has to be a hole in the contract for that too!! Really, this is just a place to vent Armstrong. Don`t take anything out here to the point you become offended. Vent young brother vent, I know I do. I`m with you Fatso, how long is it going to take for people who earn money by selling time to corporations to realize they, "Republicans" have no use for us other than to work as hard as we can, then die..... Romassholeney just stated he believes we should rise all the social secruity requirments because we are living longer... MAN FOR THE PEOPLE...... the ASSHOLE!!!! General, we had some talk about 3X8 hour shifts per day and the decision makers agreed that discussion was just "Crazy Talk".... and they moved on to some other stupid shit discussion. Pie hole...? really Armstrong,come on you got better than that. :huh: Decker 1 of the 1788

I keep hearing, "we should be thankful we have a job", I for one am very thankful..... But, (and there is always a BUTT) is it just me or are the decision makers just slightly confused? 3 Crew or traditional 2 shifts? 4X10 or 5X8? Saturdays,Sundays, 10 hours or 10.7hours? Line speed or cycle time? Ask any three decision makers the same production question and if you only get three different answers you better consider yourself lucky. Paint and Body starts bringing in C crew at 9am. (Tues.?) By Thursday, some where starting at 9am, some at noon. Most going home around 6 or 6:30pm? No C crew 10% shift premium? Then last Thursday it was posted that this Saturday would be mandatory, both shifts, C crew??? We went from 4X10`s (really 4X10.7`s) to 5X8`s (really 5X10`s) and this Saturday. Then the posted schedule for next week.... (one day after International decision makers drops in for a visit??) ready for this? "Mon. thru Fri....10.7hours and Sat.....10hours" Day shift starting time 6am and Afternoon shift 6pm. No mention of "C crew"? International decision makers and Company decision makers have just had an idea.... drum roll please.... Appendix H !!!!!!! well, maybe. no, no, the new MAJOR MODEL LAUNCH language!!!!! Okay, now this new language suspends appendix H...?? which takes out the language that would (under appendix H) restrict the companies right to schedule mandatory over time. Nice??? Yes Sir Ree, we gots us a Completely New Model!!! Police Interceptor!!! Hell, we gots us three other hot sellers too!!! :hyper: Ok, let me get one thing perfectly clear, (listen up haters) crystal clear, I am completely THANKFUL that I work for FORD and represented by the Great UAW... Hell I`m very proud of the company that pushed back from the trough full of our tax money and that Great Union Membership that helped pay for that success story. I am not complaining about the products or the hours or all the money we have a chance to make. Really, I am not complaining!!! Stop, for just a minute, look around CAP.... Are the decision makers doing GOOD things? Are we running on good old common sense? Do the decision makers ask for any input from those other people in the plant. (us) Has there been one day in the last week any decision maker in any department went to the root cause of any concern and (okay, here`s a big one) corrected the issue? Any decision maker, any one of them say. Hey!! lets Stop the MADNESS!!! We have run out of room!!!! to park units!!! Okay, here is my concern, Are the decision makers going to kill this goose, that has given us these golden eggs (current models)? Like I said earlier, Maybe its just me but, (yep, another one) it sure looks a lot like those past decisions that failed to deliver a product to the market place, in past years? How`s things going at MAP? Hope a little better there then here. Decker 1 of the 1788

Bob, got to watch those bulging veins....

I have no way of knowing how bad it is anywhere else..... BUT, dam if things at CAP have hit a new level of stupid!!!! Monday, yep 5 days from now, we hear that Body and Paint will start 3 shifts? Not 3 crews? Starting times? Then its said Trim and Chassis will run 2 ten hour shifts? There are two or three people standing by every operation "training"? Management members trying to figure out how to run a zone that they are not sure of where it starts and where it ends. The Trades, those poor souls... cross overs, roller flights, conveyors, 17 break downs in one department, on one shift. All this when we can`t find room to park all the repairs? reworks? no stocks? Group`s of management getting together right out on the floor to have meetings??? Well, when people stop to watch the side show with all the yelling and screaming..... one of the management team will usually state, "its just a meeting". Is it possible that maybe, just maybe no one is real sure where this process is headed. How much more can they squeeze out of these four wall`s, that were built back close to 100 years ago. Machinery, that has been here since the first Taurus. Booths to short, ovens out dated years ago and man power that is so short of experience that no one is sure just what an operation consists of. Operations that change or get added to by the hour. Cycle time??? who knows? I, like so many others have witnessed failure in the past, based on bad decisions, poor planing and implementation that lacked common sense from the beginning. I can only hope one of the many CEO`s, Presidents or CFO`s knows what is really going on in Ford`s money makers. CAP... MAP... KCAP... LAP... etc. We`ve been on this ride for about two years now.... have they headed this roller coaster for the bottom? Decker 1 of the 1788

Yep, there was all this yelling and swearing over in Chassis and there was spare tires rolling all up and down the line. "They" said he or the guy that looks like him, was really upset about the money but, really pissed because they put all the big flat screen`s in the oasis`s instead of the Presidential Rest Room... Someone was saying, "I heard, they said", that he kept clicking his heels together while saying over and over, "there`s no place like Solid House". And everyone knows "THEY" always say whats true. Decker

I thought, I saw him on the spare tire build up in chassis..... But, the women in the Executive restroom were saying he was bidding on one of the premium operations on C crew. Decker 1 of the 1788

The form or paper we all sign is the authorization of Ford to "brick" our checks. The law in question is another attempt to make the UAW get their own money. (Union Busting) This is a way the politician`s can use the membership against the UAW. Its not intended to stop the dues from being paid but, to make it harder for the UAW to collect the life blood of the union. The method of rendering dues was "one" big nightmare for the UAW. Back in the day... each member rendered his or her dues in cash at their hall. Oh Yeah, big problems (lots of cash sitting around) not only for the locals but also the International. Imagine some member getting pissed for what ever reason and yep.... no dues. Or a member on lay off...no dues. Or those members with bad memories... no dues. Or the MAN needs his M O N E Y .... no dues. So, along comes old helpful Ford Motor Com. (and the rest) with the idea... we will be your bag man (southside slipping out, sorry) and all you (UAW) have to do is cash the check. A Great relationship begins.... Those wildly slick politician`s, that want to cause grief for those terrible unions, by trying that "Right to Work Shit", are now pushing to get the union members to do their dirty work.... for them. Its always something.... Decker 1 of the 1788

REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU ARE VOTING, PLEASE EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE! Outstanding, Sister Outstanding, It seems you are going through some of the same issues we here at CAP are having to deal with. We hear, day after day the complaining, most with good reason but, come the 3rd Sunday of the month we can`t even get 80 members to be persent for "their" General Membership meeting.... I and others bring up the subject of local negotiatins and more times than not we are reasured that the company is the reason for not being at the table or then there is the statement that I and other members keep getting in responce to any questions... The 588 hasn`t had a local agreement since 2003...?? So, at this point I, like so many other members are wondering, what is it about local negtiations that, one, it has to be so secretive that a Bargaining Unit wants its members to just vote on something without letting the membership even see the agreement and two, makes a Chairperson so fearful of it, that he thinks it is fine to go nine years without one? Then there is the growing number of local`s without agreements? Local 551 members, any issues in Springs letters sound similar to what we have here at Chicago??? Flat Screen TV`s... Good luck, sister.... we are all going to need it. Decker 1 of the 1788 David Schoenecker

General You are the BEST!!!!! Did you hear, the same kindergarten girl happened to hear her teacher say, her cousin, who knew the guy selling T-Shirts in the parking lot at CAP found out that CAP was going to "4 on 4 off".... in June Decker 1 of the 1788

Sounds a little like Women Behind Bars..... or the Bad Girls of Cell block C :huh: But, to a little less amusing topic. Sure, going to be interesting when the District Committee Persons have to tell their members on "A" crew, Sunday will be mandatory and by the way @ time and a half. "B" crew will fulfill their mandatory overtime, on Saturday. Appendix H.... while on an AWS. Has any other plant on an AWS had to deal with mandatory overtime? How did that work out? Decker 1 of the 1788

Armstrong, At over 800 more views, than that equality in sacrifice post, more than the members at CAP are watching and reading this post. (Howdy Solid House) :shades: You have to admit that means something. Maybe, some local ( the few with a local agreement) will stand up and put something in their local agreement to give their members some form of help and/or equality in sacrifice when it comes to this 3 Crew thing. Can the local language mold and/or modify the master agreement, to the local`s situations, as long as not to come in conflict? Chrysler seems to have had the IUAW fight and won to up hold Plant seniority, boy that would come in real handy now at Ford..... hey, is plant seniority a locally agreed on issue? Decker 1 of the 1788

Well, pardon me Armstrong, Mr.or Ms. Armstrong sorry, if I ruffled any of your pretty little feathers, or if I bumped one of your sore spots...... So highly educated as you are, you already know us uneducated, subterranean dwelling, Cubs fans tend to ramble ..... incoherently. As uneducated as I am, I will try to appreciate your lesson on how Ford makes their profit margin and how I should know that equals getting profit sharing. But, your reference to Ford doing AWS for 25 years, leaves this uneducated shit talker a little lost. I know you knew that because this dummy can`t think, like you.... Is that enough name calling for you Armstrong? The only one I think I left out was "hater", you tend to through that out too. But, I just couldn`t work it in, (hater) mainly because I can`t even pretend to be one. Believe it or not, my post you found so irritating was targeted at helping my sisters and brothers (they do read posts here) realize we are not the only UAW Local going through all this misinformation. "For my CAP sisters and brother", you might have missed that being a speed reader. We at CAP have members bidding on operations on the 3rd crew and then realizing the 3rd crew dosen`t pay the 3rd "shifts" 10% shift premium. There are those that ask questions to be as educated as possible,before making the move to another operation or "crew". Then there are those that would like to know something about bumping and recall rights. And then the term that can make any of our elected officials get a little more than tongue tied, REDUCTION IN FORCE.... Seems we at CAP have come up short with the guidance and creditable advice to move into some of the most life changing decisions we all will be forced to make. If I reply to it once I reply to it many times in the same way, think of your families, your health most of all yourself when making these decisions. Dam it, Dam it.... there goes that uneducated, shit talker from CAP... sorry Mr.or Ms. Armstrong.... One thing for sure Armstrong I am thankful for the UAW (maybe not blind faith) and I do thank the Great Spirit, not for Ford`s profit margin but, all those UAW brothers and sisters that do ALL the labor that puts the profit sharing check in our pockets. Armstrong, I may be totally wrong (not the first time) about this but, are you a member of or have family and/or friends of a closing plant? If that's the case, check out Chicago... not a bad place to raise kids (and become Cubs fans) and the best collage in the nation right next door in West Lafayette In. Decker 1 of the 1788

Culture Shock is an under statement. Monday ------- A crew & C crew Tuesday ------ A crew & B crew Wednesday - A crew & B crew Thursday ---- A crew & B crew Friday -------- B crew & C crew Saturday ---- C crew & ?? Possibly B crew if needed? Sunday ----- C crew & ?? Possibly A crew if needed? For my CAP sisters and brothers, did anyone hear the term or statement " adding a Shift", you have? Well, I would bet it never was said by LRO or HR ....? Take a look at the schedule, do you see one day in the schedule where there is the scheduling of "3" crews? No? Look at the contract language: 1) No overtime Monday thru Friday unless 40 hours is reached. 2) Saturday is straight time for C crew. Time and a half for B crew, if 40 hours is reached. 3) Sunday is straight time for C crew. Time and a half for A crew, if 40 hours is reached. 4) A,B and C crews have to work all three RDO`s before they receive double time. Once again, the play on words is very much at work here. Who, still thinks Ford is in business to create employment? Did Ford ever state they were adding a shift? Did Ford ever clarify the "12000 jobs" statements? When asked if these "12000 jobs" were going to be NET employment, (new UAW members?) the response was "well, more like 8300, then it was stated it would be more like 5000?" per the V.P. As for the adding of a shift or the 12000 jobs nothing but the typical word games that lead the press and those walking the floor in the plants to help give the perception of just how good this all will be. If not, 89 day`ers, TPT, STPT, LTS or Entry Level what next? S.T.E.C.?? (Short Term Employment Crew?) Adding shifts.... "traditional"..... Move to the 3 crew agreement.... "AWS". Ever wonder how the schedule can flip flop, back and forth from 5X8`s to 4X10`s so dam easy? "A.W.S." How hard is it to understand that everything Ford does or agrees to, is money based. Yet, we the membership just keeps hoping, believing and falling for the word games and keep saying "can they do that?" But, really that singing you hear in the back ground, yep she`s singing.......its over, a done deal. Turn the lights out when your done 3rd crew. With all the good feelings of Sisterhood and Brotherhood.... Let The Churning Begin..... Decker 1 of the 1788

Don`t worry about a place to go, CAP is going to a "C crew"... any takers? how about some high seniority members? its only cold for 7 months a year.... and the best benefit to working in Chicago the !!!!!CUBS!!!!! Time frame for starting the 3 crew well, maybe... in April or maybe??? Who knows? Sure, we are setting up for it. Got people bidding on jobs and handing out classifications like free popcorn at a kiddie circus... might not be many left for transferee`s, sorry. Just wondering, how long does it take from getting the classification till the "I want to bump that SOB on days" syndrome take? MTP`ers? Anyone know, how it works if the company goes to an Appendix H when on an Alternate Work Schedule like the 3 crew agreement? How are other Plants dealing with all the experience and leadership flowing from all the new managers? We seem to be at a loss for experience.... I still can`t figure out where those 12000 jobs went, from the signing of the contract... to now? Was the 12000 job thing, a south-side shell game? (sarcasm) Sorry about all the questions but now a days here at CAP, when you ask a question you get a lot of "UMMM I Think" or "The International set this S**T up!!!! Go Ask Them!!! Oh Well, another great attempt at bringing the work force together.... everyone join hands Koombyaaah my friend, Koombyaaah...... Decker 1 of the 1788

Is there any local language addressing the C crew work practices at MAP or was there any at MTP? Here at CAP if a questions is put to the Chair, he keeps referring to traditional language that we have at present. Not the 3 crew work practices. Also states, the 3 crew will be run under the present language? If the C crew is run like the last 2 years here at CAP then the company gets a free pass to do as they see fit. How did things work out at MTP when the plug was pulled on their C crew? Decker 1 of the 1788

Just wondering..... How is it working out at other plants, with the managers that are on the move, fast trackin or show up at a new plant for their promotion? We seem to be going through some high level type of stress, (Envy or jealousy) brought on by all these people on the move.... The outward dislike for the fast trackers is very noticeable, too. Now, not to insinuate that all managers are in these groups but we seem to have a large numbers of movers and fast trackers that seem to be lost and the, I`m here, promotion group are staying in their new found offices a whole lot.... Lets see, 7 days of production, new model year and new model units, with 40 or 50 new managers along with 6 or 7 hundred new entry level (maybe) members and who knows how many transferees. Now roll in the, jump shippers and the I don`t work here no more group and sounds like.... a mighty bumpy ride ahead. Did other plants do any training? Oh, on the expired local contract thing, when going to a 3 crew and with the changes in the work rules or work practices, which most certainly will happen when going from traditional to 3 crew, did any other locals bring these changes to the membership in a democratic manner? Or do the verbal agreements just continue like the expired local agreement? Just wondering?? Decker 1 of the 1788

Add the CAP (551) to the list. As of last March the local stated they were waiting for International to complete "their" contract.... Decker 1 of the 1788