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Interesting find. If you read the comments section you will see a lot of complaints about the battery being too small. Another question is that 50 km on the Euro cycle or EPA? EPA is tougher/more realistic.

I am not worried about the rush of power with these numbers - that is not my priority in a SUV. This is a car for my wife, 90% of the time around town and the rest on trips. Give me the same hp - just add 50 more to the electric side and a larger battery. My first car was a '65 Mustang Fastback GT add a couple of Firebird 400's a couple more Mustangs - the last 1 a convertible Cobra Mustang and and now on my 4th Corvette and will be buying the new C8 next year so I am all in favor of the rush of power. But I am not going to drag race an SUV. Wife currently has a 2017 Explorer Platinum 95% of the time it has enough power at 365 hp - add a 150 hp electric motor to that and it would scream - and be able to drive around town in EV mode only with no problem. We will see how it does in real world testing, but 0-60 will not be my main selling point.

Not exactly. I want "adequate" performance in EV mode, so that the "EV mode" option is real and a 50 "km" range or @ 31 miles.

Well I am certainly going to wait for the reviews on how the total system works, but I am not presently optimistic based on the specs. Maybe Ford is using similar electric motors as Tesla which seem to be more efficient than Audi and Jaguar. Maybe their software and integration is better than Range Rover. But physics is a larger part of the equation.

Yes, I know where the battery is. One person opined the battery may be small because of space limitations. The reviews on the RR PHEV are in and they are not good. It does not have the range claimed and has problems with transitioning between ICE and electric - and it has a 141 hp electric motor. Ford may do better with seamlessness but they have a driving mode EV be interesting to see how that works in the real world with only 101 hp. And if you are saying the PHEV is about added performance than said mode seems like a gimmick. People are excited about these hp numbers but the devil is always in the details. I was hopping Ford was going for a grand slam. The total hp is fine but more of it should have been on the electric side. And for people who want the "rush" of power that would be a better experience.

Hope it is only $1,000 being left on the table. Have not seen the trunk of a Fusion Hybrid, but that only tells me Ford should have known before hand and designed the new platform to be able to accept a larger battery. The closest competitor to the Aviator GT is the Range Rover Sport PHEV. It has a 13.1 kWh battery and a more powerful electric motor. The reviews are coming in and they are not good. A serious miss on the electric side. Doubtful that the Aviator GT will be a true game changer with these specs. Motorheads will love to cite the hp and torque numbers but the reviews in the other half of the world may not be as kind. We will see.

Mostly correct. However, Ford intends to export the Aviator to China - the largest auto market in the world. A minimum 50 km range for a PHEV is very important in China. https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/China_NEV_mandate_PolicyUpdate _20180525.pdf I would like to think Lincoln's "vision" would be to be highly competitive in that market. Not only is the battery they are using too small to achieve that, I suspect it is too small in the US to achieve the maximum $7500 tax credit. I would also suspect that the increased cost of going to a 17kWh + battery (which would probably get the 50 km range) is less than the increased tax credit and if so, would make the actual purchase price LESS with the bigger battery. So failing to meet minimum requirements in the largest auto market and failing to maximize the available tax credit is well..........

If that was Fords goal then they are misguided. Ford needs a "green" option. The PHEV should be for gas mileage AND a real all electric mode. The comparison to the minivan was a vehicle of similar size/weight to show a realistic need for battery size and electric motor hp. The $25,000+ base price difference should cover the "luxury CUV" difference. Heck Ford is putting a bigger battery in their Escape PHEV. Sorry these numbers do not impress.

On the adaptive steering can you actually let go of the steering wheel and have the car steer itself? If so, for how long?

Well not the answer I wanted to hear, but when will we get any information on the battery size? They have disclosed the Escape PHEV and the Euro Explorer PHEV, so what's up about the Aviator???

If you use a truck/suv for business and it has a GVWR over 6000 lbs, you can get a bonus deduction up to 100% of the costs -based on business use. So if I buy a Lincoln Aviator PHEV that does have a GVWR over 6000 lbs for say $80,000 and use it 60% for my business, I can deduct the first year $48,000 on my taxes. The Lincoln MKX was under the 6000 lbs. so would only be eligible for significantly less favorable tax treatment.

LOL. Actually we talked about it and when she first wanted an suv I gave her a list, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Lincoln and Ford to look at and she liked the Explorer the best - right size. Although she really liked the interior of the Lincoln - but it was too light (taxes). At this point a PHEV is the next evolution and the Aviator could be the perfect choice if the electric range is adequate. We went to the LA Auto Show for it's introduction and she liked it better than all the other alternatives out there. Only thing close was the Range Rover Sport but their new PHEV has pretty dismal specs.

Yes. I have children and grandchildren. However, those figures are like having your cake and eating it too

In GM land I am eligible for GMS pricing. Usually it takes @ 5-6 months after a new Corvette model comes out before they are eligible and not all dealers have to accept GMS pricing, however it is never a problem finding a dealer that does. I have bought 2 from dealers in Michigan. Had 1 Corvette shipped out here and the other one I picked up at the factory. So I didn't know how it is in Ford land. I was hoping the GT would be out sooner and I could wait a few months - after the feeding frenzy was over - to buy one with X plan pricing. It of course makes it more difficult since not every Lincoln dealer can sell a Black Label or a GT - i.e my local Lincoln dealership.

LOL. Sorry I told my wife her next car will be a PHEV. She currently has a 2017 Explorer Platinum which is pretty nice but I want a PHEV.

And you would be wrong. And by the way difference in interiors is more than just color and trim. The top trim has nicer leather and more of it, along with better seats and more options. https://fastestlaps.com/lists/top-grip-kings

So if they are really waiting for this new assembly line and it is to be on line by quarter 4 - October - maybe some would be available in December? It is going to be close. I was hoping to buy in 2019 for tax purposes. Do all dealers accept the X plan pricing?

Except apparently Ford is building a new assembly line for the hybrid Explorers and PHEV Aviators that will no be on line until the 4th quarter this year. http://fordauthority.com/2019/07/ford-chicago-assembly-plant-to-hire-450-new-workers/

What??? I was just waiting for the electric range to pull the trigger - ready this year. Hopefully this "delay" is because they figured out they need a bigger battery than the Euro Explorer to get a real 50km range. They may also be having problems securing the batteries.

You can have your better interior now - they offer 3 levels, 3 types of seats and multiple color combinations. The top level interior probably will be @$70k. More refined engine - not sure what that is - DOHC twin turbo? You can probably have that next year for @$85k. As posted above the current spread on the Corvette is $57k - $136k. That opens it up to a wide variety of purchasers. That should be a good thing.

Not sure, I hear the new Explorer can actually carry a 4' x 8' piece of plywood. The Aviator should be the same.

Well that might be interesting. My first 3 Vettes were all convertibles. My C7 is a coupe. May be. tough - the exposed engine looks pretty sweet on the coupes.

Those are very typical sales numbers for generations of Corvette. They fall off near the end of a generation 2012 - 2013 and spike when the new generation comes out - 2014. You will see the same pattern every time. Actually that is the standard coupe. They all come with a targa roof.

The biggest complaint with the C8 is the lack of a manual transmission. All 4 of mine have been manuals, so I understand the concern. They are presently still building the C7 and will have plenty of stock for those who don't want to make the leap to the ME C8. And actually GM has been plyaing with the idea of a ME for decades. The rumor was the C7 was to have made the switch but got cancelled after GM went bankrupt.