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    Power Outages

    What's the problem? If you can't charge it, then you'll just use more gas, like a regular, non-plug-in hybrid. You'd need a generator or a home energy storage battery system (e.g. Tesla Powerwall), not a UPS, to be able to charge the hybrid battery. Unless you're already investing in that system and have excess capacity to charge an Escape PHEV, you have a gas tank and an ICE, use them. Let the hybrid be its own generator.
  2. As noted above, 2024 Maverick Plan pricing isn't posted online yet. Simple enough to calculate it yourself, though.
  3. It's definitely possible to find a dealer that is willing to take X-Plan on a Maverick. Chances are much higher if you put in an order and wait for it to be built vs. buying off the lot, if you can even find one; even then there's no guarantee. Since you're looking for a hybrid, chances are incredibly slim at finding one on the lot in the first place. You may need to ask around to find a dealer willing to do so. To acquire a PIN, you need to either personally know a Ford corporate employee, work for an eligible Ford partner, or be a member of a qualifying group. Mustang Club of America is a group you can buy a membership for, which many have used as a way to "buy" access to X-Plan; this is not, however, an endorsement as I have no personal experience. Note that (at least officially), you must be a member for at least 90 days prior to your vehicle purchase. X-Plan pricing isn't currently listed online. You can calculate the approximate X-Plan price for yourself, however. Keep in mind that it caps the doc fee at the lesser of $100 or whatever your state law permits (though some dealers will refuse to honor this, in violation of their contractual agreement with Ford). See here for the price list: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/2024-maverick-price-list-msrp-invoice-pricing-all-models-options.34193/ Formula: https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerweb/jsp/howitworks/fordpartner_rules.htm
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    ST-Line Changes

    Order guide specifically calls out "Sport Handling Suspension/Tuning" on ST-Line (AWD), ST-Line Select, ST-Line Elite. Basically, if you have one of the ST-Line trims, and AWD, you have this suspension. The only reason why it's called out any differently on the base ST-Line (no added word) trim is because the ST-Line 1.5L EcoBoost offers FWD and ST-Line Hybrid is FWD only. Select and Elite are 2.0L EB AWD or Hybrid AWD only. Base, Active, Platinum, PHEV do not list the suspension upgrades. Per parts.ford.com, the shocks appear different - note "with handling suspension" vs. "with standard suspension". Not sure what else is different.
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    2023 Escape PHEV

    Keep in mind that it was only with 2020 Escape that Ford switched over to superior liquid cooling for FHEV and PHEV HVBs, C-Max Hybrid and Energi used forced air cooling. Thus, some of the thermal characteristics in terms of warm-up and cool-down timing will have naturally changed.
  6. At least the 2020-22 Escapes look happy to see you with that grin 😁 but that HR-V decidedly does not looked pleased.
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    Question about 12V Battery

    Cost, of course. Same reason that the factory uses an even smaller battery than the 99RT4 specced in the manual. Also, 2020 Escape manual listed 99RT4 for hybrid, then 2021 listed 48H6 AGM, only to see 2022+ reverted to 99RT4. Even though, best I can tell, they never installed the larger AGM battery at the factory. Of course, even pointing this out to the dealer won't get them to push Ford to cover the 48H6 AGM as a replacement when the factory battery inevitably shows its flaws... Maybe if you have a 2021. Do bear in mind that, as noted, the 12V battery is not a starter battery. It powers the low voltage electronics, including closing the contactors on the HVB. The HVB starts the ICE by spinning up the eCVT. So Ford's excuse is that hybrids don't need much of a battery, except that neglects all the electronics that run on these modern vehicles, including long after they're turned off, continuing to drain the battery. On the other hand, an Escape EcoBoost's engine start/stop feature does use the 12V battery as a starter battery and needs to be able to power the electronics with the engine off - it has no possible charge source other than to fire the ICE back up. Even then, at least with Maverick EB, they've used both AGM and FLA batteries interchangeably for no apparent rhyme or reason except perhaps supply chain issues.
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    Question about 12V Battery

    The hybrid's high voltage battery (HVB/traction battery) is charged through regen braking and by siphoning off power from the engine. The conventional 12V battery is not charged via a traditional alternator off the engine. Instead, it's charged off the HVB via the DC-DC converter. So long as the vehicle is running (even with the engine off), it will recharge the 12V battery. In other words, there's no reason to force the engine on. The problem is that the 12V battery is small and slow to charge, and various systems that keep running after the vehicle is turned off (including the FordPass modem) drain it quickly. Every time you go out to the vehicle when it's parked to load/retrieve something, it drains the battery. The longer you leave the infotainment system running before you turn the vehicle on or after you turn it off, the more it drains the battery. And this battery doesn't have much margin to give. In time, you notice that the infotainment system turns off much more quickly after you turn off the vehicle. The interior/exterior lights don't stay on as long. The passenger side intelligent access door handle does not respond when you grab it to unlock. The interior lights don't turn on when you open the door. All of these are signs that the BMS - Battery Management System - is kicking in its protections to keep you from draining the 12V battery where the vehicle won't start next time you need it. These are all symptoms of the tiny battery -- plus some of them may well have defective cells and actually have even less capacity than designed. As you've found, other Escape owners have ditched the factory battery for a larger 48H6 battery, switching from a conventional flooded lead acid to an AGM type. The bigger battery has more capacity, more margin, and AGM is said to charge more quickly. On Escape, it should be a drop-in replacement as there's plenty of room back there.
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    2024 Maverick Prices and Ordering

    Maverick was always intended to have Hybrid as the base option that they could use to sell more hybrids as compliance cars, while leaving the 2.0L EB as the more powerful upgrade option that unlocks AWD, 4k tow, Tremor, etc. Lure you in with the hybrid's low starting price ("under $20k") and efficiency (40 mpg city), upsell you to the 250 HP etc. that you get with the 2.0L EB. Adding the 1.5L EB to the mix, which would've undercut the hybrid option, did not align with those plans. Plus, as the lower cost option, it would've probably been priced below hybrid. As it was, they were really pushing just to get themselves to sell a few XL Hybrids at "under $20k" AKA $21,495 with destination. For comparison, on a 2022 Escape, it was about $1800 more to go from 1.5L EB to hybrid. 2.0L EB was another ~$710. With destination and a similar up-charge from 1.5L EB to hybrid would've put the cheapest Maverick XL under $20k with destination. Now, they realize that the hybrids are selling themselves and they could've asked for more, so they flipped that by making 2.0L EB standard for 2024 Maverick, and an up-charge for hybrid. Raising prices to lower demand as they don't seem to anticipate building many more hybrids. That said, at this point, one might think they'd almost rather drop hybrid entirely and replace it with the fire breathing Dragon engine, at least on Maverick, since the EV sales negate the need for Maverick/Escape hybrids as compliance cars...
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    2023 Escape Orders & Discussion

    "Horrendous" is quite the over exaggeration if you've ever compared it against Ford's base audio system in these vehicles..
  11. I know, right? What kind of a pickup truck cannot stand up to a (potentially still loaded) Autorack on its wheels as it lays helplessly on its roof? This Transit is hardly recognizable...
  12. Yes, and I was mentioning that I was looking forward to having a reliable, durable powertrain having dealt with too many of Ford's questionable transmissions, not expecting to have concerns with an engine that has shown to be reliable as well.
  13. That would work out better for Maverick owners than Escape owners, since Mavericks are still inflated well above MSRP. To get a comparable 2023 Escape Hybrid to my 2022, at the same AZ price level I used previously, it would be a much greater than $3,000 difference, before factoring in the higher financing rates (unless Ford Credit did a collateral swap). That said, for the right numbers, I would not say no to that...
  14. We're talking about the 2.5L Duratec 25 Atkinson Cycle engine used in Escape/Corsair/Maverick FHEV/PHEV, which Ford acknowledges had "isolated engine manufacturing issues" that could lead to block breach/engine failure and fire. Despite previously isolating a small batch of ~200 2021 Escape Hybrid units that might've had improperly machined crankshafts, and issuing recall 22S10 to inspect and replace as needed, Ford seems to be acknowledging that there have been ongoing quality issues building this engine at ChEP1 since it was launched in 2019. They did complete some "robustness actions" by September 1, 2022, which they believe addressed the engine failure risks, but still recalled all production through 3 dates in May 2023. This engine is paired with 2 variants of the HF45 eCVT, which, like the present Duratec 25 engine, has a long history of being a highly reliable product in its previous iterations. At least until they forgot how to build a crankshaft to spec...
  15. Was finally looking for a known durable, reliable transmission after my DCT and AX4N/4F50B experiences. Was not expecting Ford to have potentially widespread "isolated engine manufacturing issues" for years that they would take years to acknowledge and try to find their way out of actually inspecting/replacing if necessary... Here's hoping that it's not as bad as they're making it sound when read between the lines.
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