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I appreciate the "real" Mustang isn't going anywhere. At least, not in the near future. . But Mustang has always been pony car. It invented a new segment in the market for goodness sake. A sporty 2+2 with a long hood and a short deck. Make a full EV version of that, just like the Lithium Mustang seen at SEMA. That's still 100% a Mustang in my book. What Mustang has never been is a 5 door "utility" vehicle. I'm sorry, but calling it Mustang is nothing but cynical marketing. This thing was never intended to be a Mustang until Jim Hackett saw a bland styling proposal and ordered a re-style. It was only at that point that someone had the idea of being "inspired" by Mustang. 55 years and 10 million sales. More enthusiast clubs than any other car. Loved and respected around the globe. I live and breathe Mustangs. I head up our local club branch. I administer several forums and Facebook pages. Mustang enthusiasts are passionate like no other. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out but for me, this is a very dark day in Mustang's history.

Sorry Ford...........but no, just no.

Its more like 10k units a month (circa 120k Mustang sales WORLDWIDE). If Camaro and Challenger die, Mustang will have the pony car market to itself again. I hope that doesn't happen, because competition improves the breed. I'm happy for Mustang to adapt to a changing pony car market like its always done. Hybrid or all electric? Bring it on. BUT.....keep it a pony car like its always been, with a long hood, short deck and 2+2 seating. Mustang never has been and never should be a 5-door 5-seat SUV. The recent Lithium concept at SEMA is where Ford should be heading with any "Mustang inspired" electric vehicle. If there aren't enough sales to justify a PROPER pony car, then let it die. But I think there's life left in the pony yet.

That logo may mean nothing to you, but it means the world to me. Still, it appears others high up in Ford share your feelings, so at least you're in good company

Mach E will sell in tiny numbers here in the UK and, I suspect, the rest of Europe. Fiesta, Focus and Kuga are the only decent sellers (apart from Transit, of course) in the UK. Unfortunately, UK buyers are badge snobs and will gravitate to BMW and Audi if they're spending "premium" money. You can sprinkle some Mustang magic on Mach E but that won't swing many buyers here.

Good..........tail lights aside this doesn't look like a Mustang. It looks like pretty much every other SUV "coupe". But I still have a MASSIVE problem with them using the Pony logo. This shares ZERO DNA with Mustang (the SEMA Lithium show car.......THAT'S how you do a "Mustang inspired" electric car) PLEASE Ford......PLEASE......just use the Blue Oval logo on this.

No massive numbers..........but certainly much better than its direct competition can muster!

With regards the Mustang......do those sales figures include "rest of the world" sales? I think perhaps not......and I think that's an important aspect in keeping Mustang alive (aside the fact its one of it's iconic models). I believe you can add something like another 40-odd % to that total figure to include ALL sales. That being said, whilst the news of the all-new-Mustang to be built at FRAP is good news, Ford needs to keep Mustang fresh. After 3 years ('15-'17MY) we saw a heavy refresh for the '18MY. Here we are at the start of the 3rd model following that refresh and no sign of a second refresh for the '21 model year...........and no idea on timescales for the all new car (other than it will be delivered within the 4 years of the that UAW contact). I appreciate Ford have their hands full of new models soon-to-be-released, but I hope they give Mustang another boost before that all new model.

As much as I rather have a V8................I'd much rather have this electric pony than a "Mustang Inspired" electric SUV. This one is worthy of the pony badge. Hoping the hybrid (V8 + electric assist) Mustang isn't too far away from going on sale. That'll be the best of both worlds!

I read derivatives to be the likes of the hybrid...........but there's talk of Mustang becoming a brand so who knows! (for me, it needs to stick to the tried and tested pony car formula, but that's probably a discussion for another thread)

Did they actually state 2023 for the all new Mustang though? I know the new UAW contract covers 4 years, so the all new Mustang would have to appear within that time frame, but I didn't see the year 2023 actually stated. Apologies if I've missed something......I'm merely trying to gather as much information as I can on the next-gen Mustang

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for the very quick response

No mention in that "full list" of the Windsor/Essex plant that builds the Coyote V8?? (I think I'm right in saying that?) It's GREAT news to see "all new Mustang" in print (even if timescales are still unknown)........and I'm confident the V8 will still be around for a while, but just wonder why it doesn't make the list. Or would it be moving to Dearborn Engine where it states "new engine will be added"?

Yep, and I'm sharpening my pitchfork as we speak. If Mustang has to turn into a 5 door "SUV" to survive for another 50 years, just kill it now. It doesn't need Mach E to survive. A slow(ish) progression to electrification using the existing platform would be the way to do it. We know we're getting a hybrid S550/S650, that should be step one. Then follow it up with a full electric S650.......whilst still building ICE S650s to the ever decreasing niche of Mustang lovers. Mustang has survived 50 years by adapting to current trends (smaller footprint and less gas-guzzlers in the mid to late 70s......Euro-style sports car in the 80s.......retro-futurism in the mid 2000s......all this whilst still adhering to that pony car formular of a sporty 2+2 with a long nose and short tail. What Ford should be doing (in my book) is letting Mach E be the best FORD it can be WITHOUT needing to steal the Mustang's laurels. If Mach E is a success and brings in lots of $$ for Ford, then some of that cash can be spent on keeping Mustang alive. THAT'S what Porsche has done with their SUVs.....they are not 911 SUVs but Porsche SUVs and the money they bring means the 911 can be what a 911 has always been.

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Superformance will be building production versions of the GR1 with, allegedly, the GT500's 5.2 CPC supercharged V8

I don't doubt there will be at least one more (Final?) edition of the GT before production ends. But the car achieved its original goal (to win Le Mans) so the chances of an all-new model are slim. As for taking on the C8? The price-point alone means these are not "cross town rivals".

That would be a cool name for the engine/electric motor combo (rather like the Predator name given to the GT500 engine, or Trinity before it). But "Eco" seems to be only for their turbo'd engines. But who knows. I still think they could use the Mach 1 moniker now that they've dropped that for Mach E. It would help tie the two Machs together......one Mustang hybrid, one Mustang-inspired BEV.

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This is so close to my perfect Mustang it hurts! To be perfect it'd need the 10-speed auto! I'm from the UK, so I'm hoping Ford UK offer us something similar. But I give Ford Australia and Herrod 10/10 for doing this!

Thank you

Thank you......is that '21 calendar year or model year?

I'd like to think it's the latter..........but who knows! If.....IF they build a CD6 saloon in the near future, I really hope that long rumored S550 (or S650 by then!) 2 door Lincoln coupe becomes a reality too. Lincoln's styling is red hot at the moment (and the interiors are gorgeous, too) so to see that adapted to a low slung front engined rear drive coupe would be sensational. But, right now, its not even clear if/when the Mustang moves to CD6 (rumors suggest anything from '23MY to '26-28MY!!!!)

Don't suppose there was any Mustang related news at all? (I'm assuming it's a little early for any refresh/S650 news?)

I just visited ford.co.uk and whilst there's a nice rendering of the "55 Edition" if you try and build one, it only offers the '19MY colours still. For what its worth, this is pretty much what I'd order (with the 10-speed). I like what they've done for this 55 Edition [/img]