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I figure since the XLT’s are the only trim that still uses the 8” Sync3 in the 22 line up, they are probably using the UTT components on the unfinished 21’s. This is a bummer because I have an XLT with the 53Q package so mine is not being scheduled. I ordered on 5/24 so it’s a bummer watching June and July orders already getting scheduled… thankfully I can wait for a while longer… although the longer I wait the more I worry that other components will come up short… Also, I could care less about the PTBA feature, but I do want the cameras… I wish Ford didn’t pair up some of these options together like this and could be chosen separate.

Hi, can I please get an update on my truck. Thank you. Order Code: 2222 Sales Code: F23463  Order placed: 5/24

It’s a bit more involved than just adding the button in Forscan. Check out this video:

I didn’t think this motor has been around long enough to be proven “reliable” yet. I’m not knocking it, but that isn’t one of the reasons that I see most say they went with this motor for considering it’s still so new. Mostly it’s cost, and then that they just don’t need the power and torque that the 6.7 offers. For me, if I end up having to go with a 7.3 it will purely be due to cost (when combined with going to a higher trim - I ultimately want the 6.7 in an XLT, but with the 360 camera package… and these aren’t being scheduled for the time being). I thought about just going with the 6.2 because it has been proven reliable… but I actually want the torque and power of the diesel, so naturally I would go with the 7.3 over the 6.2.

I’m wondering this too. I have an XLT with the UTT package on order since 5/24… I’m on to wait a while but would like to know I’m waiting for something that will happen. Otherwise I need to just redo my order…

This was shared over on the FTE forums earlier today. It was updated on the 9th, but I don’t know how valid it is and I believe it is for fleet trucks... According to this site though the hold is still in place.

Speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence... First off, I appreciate what you do here, and I understand that you are doing this out of the kindness of your heart. For that, I do thank you. However, all I did was ask a question... I did not "speculate" anything. I am simply trying to get the "facts." Get off your high horse dude! I agree with some of the other comments I have seen on here, you don't have to respond to everything, and if you choose to do so, there's no sense in being so rude about it. You obviously have an inside scoop on things that many of us have no clue about... all we are trying to do is understand what we can about extremely expensive purchases we have made. Comments like this one that you made, as well as to other posters, makes me really disappointed in moderators such as yourself. Edit to add: I deleted my original post so that no speculated talking points would start...

Yeah, I know they have to put a higher rated hitch on the truck than what the truck is actually rated to tow, so I knew the numbers on that sticker didn’t really relate to what I am trying to find out. I was actually wondering if a specific truck comes with a specific assigned maximum towing rate (like what is listed on the Ford Towing Guides) similar to how they come with a specific assigned GVWR. The best I can come up with is that those numbers are a “guide”, and not assigned (like a GVWR). IMO though, that guide needs to be revisited because it doesn’t make sense the way they have it. Either way, I’m not worrying about it anymore. After seeing the door jamb stickers on the truck posted above and comparing it to what I have ordered, I’m good!

Yes… as much as can be anyway. The dealer sent me the stickers, however the compression rate made them a bit hard to read. He resent them and they still aren’t super clear. I’ve attached them for anyone else interested. FWIW though, according to the window sticker, it comes with the snow plow package, the HCTT package, 4x4 and the 275/70R18 A/T tires. The only extra configuration that is on mine is the camper package. According to this trucks stickers, it has the 10800 GVWR and a 2853 lb payload! (That’s great for the diesel engine!) There is nothing that I know of that actually lists or ties a “tow rating” to this specific truck, so I’m thinking that it won’t make a difference in which tires I initially order…. So I’ll keep my order as is with the A/T tires. As well, I was very excited to see the payload of 2853 lbs! Mine doesn’t have the 5th wheel package like on this truck, as well as the include XLT Premium package or the Chrome package stuff, but the camper package on mine may zero that out (does anyone know how much weight this package would add?) and I expect my payload to be right about the same as this one! It’s also interesting to see that the front springs are 5990’s. I keep seeing folks say 6000 lb springs but maybe they are talking about F350’s. I wonder if these are the same springs but they just put a 10 lb reduction sticker on the ones that go on the 250’s to debate the 250? Thanks for sending this info over!

Edit: Didn't mean to ask a question...

On the 2020 XLT that I rented last year it did make minor adjustments to keep me in the lane when the lane keeping was turned on. Now this wasn't anything drastic, but it would keep me between the lines that were reasonably straight. Eventually though it told me to put my hands back on the wheel... lol.

Personally, I still find $3700 too much just for the LED lights, and to be fair, even $2200 is pushing it, but I would without a doubt go with the Morimotos over the stock LEDs at these prices. I’ve read lots of good things about their aftermarket LED lights, and I think they look better too… Saying all of this, it won’t be anytime soon that I would get them, and while they are definitely on my list, that don’t mean I will for sure get them. As I mentioned, the stock halogens work great to me. As far as trim levels, I have always been firm on the XLT trim, no wondering for me! There is nothing on a Lariat I would want to pay extra for. Don’t like leather seats, would rather them be manual adjust and without butt heaters/coolers. I didn’t even opt for either of the XLT packages, so you can see how I’m a long way from either a Lariat, or those stock LED lights, price wise ($10700, not $3k)! Yeah, all those things are nice, but even my trucks configuration is $67k, and all that other stuff just isn’t worth it to me. And I’m not knocking anyone who gets those things… but I think the XLT is a nice looking truck. And I added things that made it more functional for towing and general use, such as the HCTT and snowplow/camper package, engine block heater, upfitter switches and a 332A alternator. My “luxury” features are things like the 360 cameras, tailgate step, remote start, reverse sensors, rear sliding window, front console and carpet delete! Lol. Yeah it’s basic, but it’s going to be great for us! Also, I am buying my truck to keep rather than to turn around and sale a few years later, so resell isn’t one of the reasons I’m buying. And as far as install, it’s pretty simple with the Morimotos, plug and play really. Sure, it’s not as easy as taking delivery with it already on, but this is also $8500 less expensive… for that amount I’d be willing to spend and hour or so installing them myself… and if anything happened I still have my stock lights available!

Careful... search any of the forums about this and you will see that halogen lights aren't worth anything and that they are unsafe!! I don't doubt that the LED's are brighter and illuminate better than halogen, but I don't think that makes the stock halogen lights unsafe as many claim. Last year I rented a 2020 F250 XLT with halogen lights and used it to tow our camper nearly 4000 miles in 9 days... so there was plenty of night driving. I remember driving through the night down the 2 lane roads cutting through north OK (among other places)... no lights anywhere because there was nothing out there! It was plenty dark, and the halogen lights were just fine, no complaints. And if it weren't for the auto brights that come on these trucks now, I wouldn't have used the brights... so in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the stock halogen lights, but no, they aren't as "good" as LED lights. As for me, when I ordered my 2022, I went with XLT trim, which the LED lights aren't even an option on. In order for me to get the stock LED lights on my truck I would have to go with Lariat trim (+$6K) and then the Lariat Ultimate package (+$3500) and then finally the LED package (+$1200), so I did not feel like the LED lights were worth the extra $10,700 upcharge for my situation... Saying that, the Morimoto lights mentioned earlier in the thread seem like a pretty good aftermarket option at a fraction of the price ($2200), and they do come with all the wiring harnesses and instructions needed for installation. Check out this video for installation and a demonstration... they look pretty great! These won't be my first aftermarket purchase, but they are on the list... Edit to add: I do not have plans to replace the bulbs with LED bulbs... it seems that this isn't the best route to go... at least for others driving on the road!

I will likely end up getting the ESP, but from Flood or Ziegler, but I am going to wait about 2 years before I pick it up... at that point I am going to kind of feel it out... I may pick one up then, or I may choose to let it go... I dunno. But I do know that there is nothing saying you have to get it at the time of purchase, and the 3 year/36000 will cover your until you meet one of those specifics, so that gives me a little time to think about it and get a feel for what my truck in specific will look like... at least to some degree.

I'll admit, having never owned a truck or having to worry about any of these tires, I am not very knowledgeable about the different tires and what's best for what application. I will also admit, just hearing "all terrain" seems like it would be a better tire for towing because of, well, the name itself. Maybe I am wrong though... I'll also admit, that wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong either... lol. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Thanks for the feedback though!

Are you near this dealership? If so I'd love if you could snap some photos of both the door jamb stickers! Also, being that this one is a 4x4 with the snow plow package I am curious which front springs it has. So that's the thing... in the towing guide there is no mention of a lesser rating for a F250 with the HCTT for the 5th wheel/gooseneck tow rating except for on the Tremor set up. This leads me to believe that the ratings on the conventional towing is a typo... otherwise, lesser rated tires would have a lesser capacity, no matter how the weight is applied. As far as other guides, the dealer looked through all the guides that they have and this is the only place this is mentioned, and still, no one can explain how a lesser rated tire would have result in a higher capacity. As well, if the listed 20,000 lbs isn't the actual rating, then there is no listed rating documented for this truck setup with 18" A/T (non Tremor) tires. It just doesn't make sense. Also, for what it's worth, I will never have anywhere near 20k towing on this truck, but like I mentioned earlier, I don't want any permanent derating on it for something silly like this. Also, just curious, if both of your 350's are the same year models and the same set up, is one rated more or less than the other on any of the ratings (GVWR, GCWR, towing capacities, etc...) Also, are the towing capacities permanently assigned to either truck anywhere like the GVWR or the payload is?

That is the closest setup to what I have ordered than I have seen elsewhere! Thanks. I will call Monday and see what they have to say.

I posted a screenshot of the towing guide that we are talking about in one of the first few posts over on page 1 of this thread, but if you want to look through the whole guide, here is a link to the 2022 Ford Towing Guide. The part in question is in the F250 Conventional Guide on page 5, and then it is mentioned again under "Required Equipment" on page 10. Also here is a link to the typically used Continental ContiTrac LT275/65 R18E A/S tires, which have a Load Index of 123, a Load Range E and the Max Load of 3,415 lbs. And here is a link to the typically used Goodyear Wrangler LT 275/70 R18E A/T tires, which has a Load Index of 125, a Load Range E and a Max Load of 3,640 lbs. (Notice the higher rating of the A/T tires over the A/S tires...) In the towing guide on page 10 (top left corner) it states: "F-250: For 20,000-pound conventional tow rating – High-Capacity Trailer Tow Package (535) with 18" All-Season or 20" All-Terrain Tires." Then on page 5 when following the line across the chart for the 6.7 engine with 3.31 gears at 30,000 lbs GCWR (trucks with the HCTT/535 package equipped for F250's) this comes up again. The truck I ordered is a 6.7 V8 with 3.31 gears with the HCTT package, Crew Cab, 4X4 159"WB 6-3/4' Box. For this truck on this chart the listed ratings for "Conventional Towing" is simply listed at 20,000 lbs....but is noted that this is if 18" A/S or 20" A/T tires are equipped. (Also notice that on the line below for the 6.7, 3.55, 30,000 GCWR Tremor package, 2 weights *ARE* listed: 20,000 lbs - again with 18" A/S or 20" A/T tires, neither of which the Tremors come with since they come with 35" Off Road A/T tires *on an 18" wheel*, and 15,000 lbs - if equipped with the Tremor package.) So this leaves 2 questions: 1. What is the conventional tow rating of the standard (non Tremor) F250 with the HCTT package and 18" (non Tremor) A/T tires? 2. How can the tow rating be higher with the lower rated 18" A/S tires over the higher rated 18" (non Tremor) A/T tires? IMO, this is some sort of a typo. I have looked at the 2022, 2021 and the 2020 Towing guides and they are all the same, so maybe a copy and paste from year to year... Or maybe it has something to do with the Tremor package also technically being an 18" A/T tire and the wording is just all screwed up... Maybe the correct wording is that the Conventional Towing is 20,000 lbs for the standard F250's with the HCTT package and no Tremor package, but with the Tremor package it is 15,000 lbs. It just doesn't make sense that a lower rated A/S tire would offer more towing capacity, and by how much? No way that the lower rated A/S tire will offer 5000 lbs more towing capacity than a higher rated A/T tire... So, after 2 pages of this topic now, my only concern is will my truck somehow be permanently derated since I went with the regular 18" A/T tires over the regular 18" A/S tires? I don't think it will, but after spending money on both the snow plow/camper package to max out the front end, and the the HCTT package to max out the rear end I would be very disappointed if it did. I know that without the HCTT package the max GVWR on the F250 is 10k. I don't have a truck to look around on, but is the "max towing capacity" listed somewhere on the truck that won't change like the GVWR is?

Umm… because I don’t need a 350. With what your saying though, why would you want a 350, why not a 450? You see how that can go… on and on… After looking at the numbers on higher trim 250’s than mine (more options/weight) I am now anticipating a 2800-2900 lb payload in my 250 set up, and I actually don’t need it for what I’m currently doing, but is there something wrong with getting the most out of whichever truck we choose to go with? By making sure the ratings are listed correctly I am future proofing this 250, which will be all we’ll ever need. We have no plans or wants for a 5th wheel (didn’t even get the package… and if we were planning to get a 5er we would just go with a 450) and while we may upgrade our current camper years down the road, it’ll still be under 10k. So there’s no need for a 350, but I feel justified in wanting to make sure that what I am getting is the most I can get out of it. Besides that, there really won’t be any differences between my 250 and a stock 350 since I upgraded both front and rear ends, so it really kind of is a 350, but with badging and paperwork for a 250 (less registration issues/costs in some areas). So, do you have any thoughts on the question about the tires…?

Yeah, too bad there aren't a bunch of trucks just sitting on lots that we could just go and look at... Since I have ordered my truck on 5/24 there has been 2 SD's show up at the dealership. They are both pretty similar to my build, but they were Lariat Ultimates and had 20" Michelin A/S tires on them. Mine is simply an XLT, but had most of the options that were also on these Lariats, except the moonroof (which from what I have read is an additional 100 lb add on). But, they were both diesels with the HCTT package and the payloads on both are 2,798 lbs. The biggest difference was that mine also has the snow plow/camper package, but didn't have the moonroof, so I anticipate that my truck should actually be at or probably even a little over 2800 lbs! But again, these are with the 20" A/T tires and mine will have the 18" A/T tires. I don't know... I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

Same here, however, what I am trying to figure out is if the truck will have any derated weight carrying capacities due to the fact that I am ordering it original with A/T tires. Like I mentioned, it looks like the GCVWR is 30K simply with the HCTT package, regardless of the tires, and the HCTT package will also result in a 10800 GVWR regardless of tires... at least that I can see mentioned anywhere. Are the towing capacities documented/stickered on the truck the same way the GVWR and the payload is? If not then I don't guess it matters... I just don't want it to derate the truck since I spent the extra money to upgrade both, the front and rear end to get the most rating available (considering it's diesel).

I don't think that makes sense either because a weight distribution hitch for a bumper pull also spreads weight out over the whole vehicle. Regardless, if a tire is rated for a lower load rating, then it will be lower, period. And as I pointed out above, the typically used 18" A/T tire has a higher load rating than the typically used 18" A/S tire... so that still doesn't make sense. I actually went by the dealers yesterday and talked to them about this... an no one could figure out why this is listed like this. I don't guess that's saying too much, but it is interesting that everyone agrees that it doesn't make sense given that the A/T tire is rated higher than the A/S tire to begin with. We also thought it was odd that under the conventional ratings, it simply listed 20,000 and noted the this weight required the 18" A/S tire or the 20" A/T tire, but there was no listed rating for the 18" A/T tire. So, if this is the case, what is the weight rating then?? IMO, this is a typo that has been copied and pasted since 2020... at least until someone can prove it wrong or state actual facts as to why this anomaly could even be right... for now though, I am leaving my 18" A/T tires as my selection. With the HCTT package added to a F250, it won't affect the GCVWR (30,000 lb) or the GVWR (10800 lb), so it won't really matter...

It may just be more smoke... but that sounds promising. I only order 5/24 so only about 6 weeks into my wait, and while I would love to have it come September or so, I can make do without it for a couple more months... and this sounds like maybe by the end of the year things may be rolling somewhat ok again... at least for those of us that have already had our orders in for a while!

Hi, can I please get an update on my truck. Thank you. Order Code: 2222 Sales Code: F23463 Order placed: 5/24 Thank you.

We don’t have any plans for a 5th wheel, but I’d even say for that just go with a 450 and skip the 350. The price difference is minimal.