DeluxeStang

Exactly. American workers working in certain industries used to be treated incredibly poorly decades and centuries ago, exposed to all sorts of hazards and injustices. Which is why I understand why unions were formed to begin with, to have someone advocating for workers against these injustices. But in modern day corporate America, it seems like union representatives care less about making sure workers are treated fairly, and more about lining their own pockets.

I'm anti anything that hurts the American worker, consumer, and economy. Before you do defending unions, look at how a lot of people on this site who are unionized at Ford view their union leaders. I believe the guys last name is Faun? Yeah, the general consensus seems to be he's an absolute idiot putting everyone's job security at risk. I'm for unions with fair demands, and who are considerate and rational. But it seems there's been a rising trend lately that if companies turn any sort of profit at all, then they're evil, and they need to keep raising their employees salaries until they aren't making money anymore. It's absurd. Respectfully, it's not hard to understand where this leads. If unions keep demanding more and more from brands, they'll just relocate their factories elsewhere. That's why everyone is like "What the hell are you doing to the people in charge of the UAW" because they're either deliberately trying to sabotage workers careers, or they're too stupid to realize the consequences of their actions. Either way, it's not a good look for them.

Unions don't stand tall for anyone except a small portion of union reps. They hurt the workers by encouraging companies to relocate factories to foreign nations. They hurt the American consumer by driving up the cost of the product, and they hurt brands by dragging down profit margins.Unions are the HOA of the corporate world, they don't help anyone. Everyone understands why they were created, but believes they don't have as much of a reason to exist in modern day society.

Wasn't there a 5.0 hybrid in development as well? I recall someone who claimed to be a Ford engineer either on this site or elsewhere who said it was so powerful that it was hard to drive.

Ford getting all cryptic and sneaky with their teasers. Just tell us what you have planned 😆. I've never understood vague teasers that confirm nothing. Like you're trying to get fans excited, but you won't even show us anything to get excited over. It's like that teaser they showed at the 60th anniversary. Talking about expanding the mustang brand, but not saying anything else about it. If you want to excite us, give us more substance.

Yeah the proportions are way off of an s650. If that image is representative of an actual design, the front end looks much lower, and sleeker, and the roof looks taller, and rounder. The wheelbase also looks shorter. I don't think whatever this is, it's s650 based if that's the actual design. Maybe it's some sort of dedicated EV coupe or something.

This is the beauty of digital displays. So many people bash them, but they enable neat customization opportunities like this.

I'm not gonna disagree with you there. The presenter saying "Let's make some noise" every time they revealed something or someone walked into stage was a bit much. Whatever is under the tarp if it's a real car isn't an s650. I feel like if it was some sort of s650 nearing the end of the development cycle, they would have shown a hint of the actual design. The fact that they're refusing to show even the slightest hint of what this thing is makes me think it's something else entirely.

I'm really digging that new gt3 livery with all the nods to historical racing mustangs, that's awesome. They mentioned another addition to the mustang stable, and growing the mustang family with something new coming in 2025. This could be a new Shelby s650, or another high performance s650. But the way they were talking about it sounds a lot like they're hinting at some sort of new mustang model completely. The teaser didn't look like an actual car, rather, a placeholder for what's the come.

Yeah I expressed some concerns over this on the maverick forums, going so far as to ask if I should give up on my maverick completely. My maverick has been perfectly reliable over the course of 18 months, but I opened up about how seeing all of recalls, and horror stories on maverick forums has shaken my confidence a little bit. I went into the maverick expecting it to be reliable, and mine has been. But it's hard not to wonder if these issues will happen to you next at times. Thankfully a lot of the folks on that site helped to talk me down a bit and help to see things in perspective. I genuinely hope Ford is able to perfect the maverick through these recalls, and make it into a very reliable vehicle.

Special edition trims can be an end of life thing, or they can be used to celebrate special occasions. Occasions like, oh I don't know, your sports cars's 60th anniversary.

Ford's talked about surprises for this event, without going into more detail than that. An appearance package is hardly a surprise, so fingers crossed they show something neat during the livestream tonight.

I like it, but I'm left wondering what the point of a livestream later today is if we've already seen everything.

I suppose it depends on the performance limitations of this compact platform. For instance, is this platform designed to do basically everything? Or is the performance ceiling of CE1 quite low? After all, it's been designed with affordable commuter vehicles in mind, not sports cars. If CE1 performance tops out at like 300 hp, that's not gonna work for a mach-e or mustang coupe.

On one hand, it's nice to hear Ford is planning on keeping the escape, or something similar, around for the near future. On the other hand, I hope they learn from the previous few generations of escape, and actually try to make something appealing. Ideally, they aren't just looking at the current escape, and saying "Let's make that same product again, but with an electric powertrain". Hopefully there's more creatively and appeal than that. If they keep something with similar dimensions, that's understandable, but the difference in success between the bronco sport and escape shows just how important appealing design is to modern consumers. The current escape isn't a bad looking vehicle, it's more attractive than some other compact crossovers, but it's just very bland, and doesn't do enough to stand out. That's why it's struggled to compete in recent years IMO, one of the reasons at least. There's just nothing about the current escape that makes it a must have for buyers.

I'm interested to see what they come up with. I've said for awhile that Ford should design the escape to be a baby mach-e of sorts. Something sportier, sleeker, desirable in its own way. But who knows if that's the direction they'll do in. Just as long as it doesn't look like a blob.

Both, that's usually the case. While the super snake is cool, it's mostly the Ford Shelby stuff like the gt350 or gt500 that gets me really excited. But I wanted to share this nonetheless.

One of the biggest shifts in the auto industry that you don't see many people talking about, is the purchase of a new car going from a need, to a want. Some brands get it, others don't. 20-30 years ago, and beyond that, a lot of consumers would genuinely be needing a new car. Their current car would be having lots of issues by the time it was a few years old, or it would be unsafe, or it wouldn't fit their evolving needs. So the needs of the consumer really drove new car sales. I'd say new cars are much more of a want now. With how safe, reliable, and versatile most modern vehicles are, the days of truly needing to replace your car are dying down. Most of the time, someone's car works perfectly fine, it meets all their needs. So the only way to keep new car as sales going strong is to produce cars people really want. Coming out with a design, or some tech that people are drawn to, that they can't experience with their current car. That's where I can see brands like Toyota/Honda struggling in the future. Because they've built their entire business's around those consumers who prioritize needs over wants.

The lack of redesigns and refreshes, but also the fact that they're making very little effort to evolve their design language. It's practically guaranteed when the model 2 is revealed, if it's revealed, that it looks like a model 3, which looked like a model s. So their cars are patterned after designs that are more than a decade old.

I saw one turning, the most surprising thing about it was how stubby it looked.

It's even worse when you consider what Tesla's head of design was putting out earlier in his career. From working at Mazda, the best Japanese car brand for design by far, to putting out a triangle. Talk about a downgrade.

With all due respect, it seems like the people you're talking to are a little disconnected from reality if they think 25 grand for a brand new car is unreasonable. The maverick might be small, by that's the appeal of it. It's like a modern 90s ranger, frugal, reliable,capable enough. It's a product that offers the fuel efficiency and driving dynamics of a sedan, with the utility and longevity of a truck, 25 grand for that combination is the definition of reasonable as far as I'm concerned. If someone can't find the value in that, they're not going find the value in a new Ford sedan. As for the comment of sticker shock, let me be completely transparent, I've never understood why the brand makes all the difference here. I don't understand how people can justify spending 80 grand on a shitbox BMW that's gonna blow it's motor after 3 years. But those same people will scoff at spending 70 grand on a Ford which has just as nice of an interior and tech, and will last 20 years. I could care less about brand prestige, I just want a great product for a decent price.

https://carbuzz.com/shelby-american-teases-s650-ford-mustang/ I'm liking it already from that teaser. They need to offer that raised deck lid as a standalone part, it improves the rear of the car substantially. Between that, and the concaved deck lid, it gives off strong modern day '67 fastback vibes.

With the uncertain future of the three rows, I wonder if Ford will cancel them, and build CE1 EVs at Oakville instead. It sounds like they're more promising, and would offer a better ROI than some funky looking overpriced mess of an EV. I could be mistaken, but I believe that plant was scheduled to build 5 different ev models at one point, so they're confident that Oakville wouldn't have issues producing large quantities of EVs. Maybe one of those could be some sort of sedan, allowing Ford to re-enter the sedan market without overtaxing any particular plant.

This is why IMO, Ford should reconsider jumping back into the sedan market. Their strategy to pivot away from cars and towards utilities was brilliant 5 years ago. Back then, everyone was making sedans, and relatively few brands were making affordable aspirational utilities, so things like the BS and maverick really appealed to buyers, because it was something no-one else was offering. But now, the compact and midsized crossover segments are oversaturated, and many of Ford's rivals have followed their lead and abandoned sedan buyers. I sense opportunity for ford here if they can do something unique, not maverick or bronco sport levels of opportunity, but opportunity nonetheless. Imagine if they leveraged their small affordable EV platform to offer some sort of sedan. Not a generic blob, I'm thinking more along the lines of a new escort, with sporty styling that's a throwback to the gen 1 escorts or something with around 200 hp.