Chrysler Smacks Down Hillary Clinton

[Blueblood]

If he knows less than a tadpole about liberalism, then what species should I compare your knowledge level to?

 

 

Don't talk to me you imbecile.

 

Liberalism has very little in common with neo-conservatism, and even less in common with what BlackHorse defined liberalism as.

 

 

Neoconservativism stands for the following:

 

1. Low taxes, low regulation

 

 

Yes, but only for the rich and powerful.

 

2. Small government size / control

 

LOL, you people are so dumb it ridiculous, neo-cos have increased the size and power of government more than anyone, just look at the department of homeland security.

 

3. Traditional moral values

 

Another Owellian sogan, neo-cons don't have any "values", unless you call pillgfing and plundering "moral values".

 

4. Expanionist foreign policy

 

Wow, you got one right, so did the Soviet's and the Nazi's.

 

5. First and foremost: protect DOMESTIC interest

 

Domestic interests like Halliburton, Blackwater, ExxonMobil, etc..

 

It might have helped to actually know what neo-conservativism stood for before acting like BlackHorse was talking about it.

 

How the fuck do you know anything about me? You're own little outburst proves you don't know jack shit about neo-conservatism.

 

Go read what Irving Kristol has written about the issue before acting like an authority on.

 

I've read plenty from that disgusting fascist, maybe you should actually go read about the man, and what a raving lunatic he is

[Blueblood]

Nick is right, becoming a socialist nation is not evolving, it's devolving. Look at the state of our public education system in this country. We turn out dumber and less productive children each year from an education system that is over run with liberal ideology and liberal teachers. Following the path that Hillary would take us is not evolution, it is not "progressive". It is the recipe for the social and economic destruction of this country.

 

Unlike Noah Harbinger I'm not in the camp that think's "Oh don't worry, everything will be just fine if we sit back and do nothing. The country will swing one way or the other depending on who they like the least." This is how nations end up turning into something you wouldn't recognize Noah, because you don't take a stand and speak your mind. Things happen that you never would have believed could or would happen. When they first introduced income tax in this nation there was a Congressman who wanted to add a provision to the law that stated the taxed amount on your income could not exceed ten percent. He was literally laughed out of the room because no one believed there was any way possible it could ever get that high. It just couldn't happen. We currently pay over thirty percent.

 

It's not that I'm here to sing the praises of the Replublican party either. Frankly I think the Bush administrations failure to secure our border with Mexico is a blunder of epic scale. When he took office he did almost nothing to encourage fiscal responsibility and look at us now. This year alone there are over 2700 earmarked spending bills tacked on to just the defense budget totalling 11.2 billion dollars, most of which is wasteful spending that the DOD doesn't even want. Hell there's a congressman that wants to build a muesum honoring mules, yes mules as in jack asses, somewhere in California. Of course funded with federal tax dollars.

 

But you go ahead and vote for that "socialist" blueblood and anatus. Go ahead and be responsible for destroyinig this country.

 

We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. -- Hillary Clinton

 

 

We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground. -- Hillary Clinton

 

 

I certainly think the free-market has failed. -- Hillary Clinton

 

 

I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched. -- Hillary Clinton

 

 

I want to take those profits and put them into an alternative energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy alternatives that will actually begin to move us toward the direction of independence. -- Hillary Clinton talking about oil company profits.

 

 

Who's next? What happens when the auto companies like Ford and GM have a good year again? Is she going to target your profits too? Here is woman that wants to be the leader of the free world openly declaring she wants to take away the profits of a private company. How does that make all you stockholders that have oil stock feel?

 

This woman is a socialist thorugh and through. If she managed to get the presidency with a mostly democrat congress in place, she would do damage that would take generations to repair.

 

 

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. -- Thomas Jefferson

 

 

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson

 

 

But I guess Anatus would call it "evolving." lol

 

Why do people automatically assume that if you're not a Bush-bot that you're a Democrat, and even worse, a Clinton supporter??? I'm voting for Ron Paul if the GOP allows him to run against their selected loonies.

 

But the problem is most "conservatives" hate Ron Paul, since there's little "conservative" about them. Hence the term "neo-con".

[Blueblood]

Quite true. Bullshit names like "Liberal" and "Conservative" are largely meaningless monkers that only serve to create a fake distinction and keep the masses polarized.

 

 

Add in the same rehashed hot-button issues like abortion, alternative lifstyles, taxes, education, healthcare, so on and so forth... and nothing ever gets done.

 

 

The same issues debated today are the same ones from 2000, 1992, and before I was old enough to pay attention on my own but my parents remember the same old same old.

 

 

George Washington warned us about the dangers of a purely two-party system. And stubbornly polarized fake ideals ike "Liberal" and "Conservative" are exactly what he meant.

 

 

Agreed, the "funny" part of it all is that both parties that we are allowed to vote for are owned by the same special interests, after elections they go right into serving those interests and abandoning all their campaign "promises", aka lies..

[Deanh]

Agreed, the "funny" part of it all is that both parties that we are allowed to vote for are owned by the same special interests, after elections they go right into serving those interests and abandoning all their campaign "promises", aka lies..

happens world -wide...tell em what they want to hear PRE-election...watch the immigration issue become more "friendly"...theres POWER and MASSIVE voting numbers there now, so we are going to see some serious a$$ kissing to WIN those votes............

[suv_guy_19]

happens world -wide...tell em what they want to hear PRE-election...watch the immigration issue become more "friendly"...theres POWER and MASSIVE voting numbers there now, so we are going to see some serious a$$ kissing to WIN those votes............

 

I'm sorry, but what he said doesn't happen world wide. Special interest groups do not own the government here, and as of late, very few promises have really been broken (and if they are, there is an explanation as to why). The few times that our politicians have gotten payouts, full scale Judicial inquiries have been called. Not all systems are corrupt, and not all of us hate or distrust our governments.

[Deanh]

I'm sorry, but what he said doesn't happen world wide. Special interest groups do not own the government here, and as of late, very few promises have really been broken (and if they are, there is an explanation as to why). The few times that our politicians have gotten payouts, full scale Judicial inquiries have been called. Not all systems are corrupt, and not all of us hate or distrust our governments.

not as blatantly at least, although I would guess that everywhere has "you scratch my back..." donations to swell campaighn etc...its just so bloody BLATANT here....I say do away with ALL campaign donations, NO big dinners etc...just have a TV channel commited to them duking it out.........with public interaction...no pre-written heart string speechs put together by a thick rimmed specialist in a closed room...etc...will never happen, but hey....

[suv_guy_19]

not as blatantly at least, although I would guess that everywhere has "you scratch my back..." donations to swell campaighn etc...its just so bloody BLATANT here....I say do away with ALL campaign donations, NO big dinners etc...just have a TV channel commited to them duking it out.........with public interaction...no pre-written heart string speechs put together by a thick rimmed specialist in a closed room...etc...will never happen, but hey....

 

 

But see, our parties, on average, spend $15M during an election. They need nowhere near the money that is needed for a US campaign. There are, of course, commercial donations, but they are not allowed to be large enough to sway the party.

[Deanh]

But see, our parties, on average, spend $15M during an election. They need nowhere near the money that is needed for a US campaign. There are, of course, commercial donations, but they are not allowed to be large enough to sway the party.

where do you reside?

[TomServo92]

where do you reside?

 

Canada (on the left side below his avatar).

[suv_guy_19]

I should add that I am sure there are corrupt politicians here, (there has to be, statistically, out of 308 MPs and 105 Senators) but they are not the majority.

[Deanh]

Canada (on the left side below his avatar).

ahhhh, New Zealand myself....so mine is an outsiders observation as well...Politics here is crazy! guess it comes with the "super-power" territory, but I've always said America would do well to take more care/ focus on its OWN people/ issues more than constantly poking their noses in others...then footing the "damage" bill.....

[suv_guy_19]

ahhhh, New Zealand myself....so mine is an outsiders observation as well...Politics here is crazy! guess it comes with the "super-power" territory, but I've always said America would do well to take more care/ focus on its OWN people/ issues more than constantly poking their noses in others...then footing the "damage" bill.....

 

 

I agree to a point. What I think the US needs is strict Campaign financing laws like we have here. You will never see the PM receive a cheque from drug companies like those given the GWB and Hillary Clinton. I think that is outrageous.

[Deanh]

I agree to a point. What I think the US needs is strict Campaign financing laws like we have here. You will never see the PM receive a cheque from drug companies like those given the GWB and Hillary Clinton. I think that is outrageous.

side effects include numerous posts pertaining to how the Govt sux, frequent blood transfusions and Diarrhea...not to mention restless voting syndrome....DO YOU HEAR ME FLORIDA?

[BlackHorse]

I agree to a point. What I think the US needs is strict Campaign financing laws like we have here. You will never see the PM receive a cheque from drug companies like those given the GWB and Hillary Clinton. I think that is outrageous.

 

That's nothing. I want to know about the money the Clintons receive from the Chinese military.

[Deanh]

That's nothing. I want to know about the money the Clintons receive from the Chinese military.

no traceable $ just free landscaping.......

[macattak1]

If one Dislikes G W Bush because he is so opinionated and does things his way there is no way I could ever understand their like for Hilary or Kerry types. If one wants to see how deceitful Hilary and many others can be just watch their Religious Values type democratic debate from a few months ago. How much did Hilary talk about her beliefs and how strong they are and such? But did she ever say what her beliefs were and did you understand what they were after watching that Set Up? Talk about faking it for the crowd.

 

As soon as the FEDs break up Walmart they can go after the next largest monopoly.

 

If one wants to break up the Oil Companies, which by the way is more than just one or two, Walmart should be way ahead of the curve. Oh how about breaking up GNC first? They paid, with their partner, just a few years back, the largest Food price fixing fine ever. $700 million. And that was just for vitamins and such. Break up GNC before you break up 10+ various oil and refinery companies. Oh, but how would you break up big oil? I mean, how many are there? Then what about the refineries? How many of those?

 

Be careful quoting the wiki sources. Especially if you do not read them? Like the part about Canadians and how much they pay out of pocket and how they pay for additional private insurance coverage...

 

Then there is the person who was over at our house last week. She was born in Canada. Her family routinely Still comes down to the US for care. He grandfather had a stroke in Canada in 99 or 2000. He died in a nursing home several months later. They did not give him the simple after stroke med that if provided within 3 hours of a stroke can save lives. Or her uncle. That was just a few years back. After 12+ months he finally came to the US to get diagnosed. But the cancer was so far spread by that time that he just died a few months later. There may not be a Mayo Clinic in every city in every state and you may be stuck with Kaiser Permanente. But at least you have a decent chance at one in the US. Not so in Every other nation. Heck, the Drs. in Canada will even tell their worst patients to take a trip to the US and get into a US ER for 'pains' etc. so that they can get properly taken care of Now.

 

Private health care is not as expensive as one might think. Certainly, having coverage that kicks in at a certain $ value can be very affordable. But the fact is that Very Few people want to pay for it. If the FEDs offered a plan at $25 a month per person to a max of $150 a month per family for coverage beyond $2500 per person few would sign up. Hard cash out of their pocket for a 'what if' verses more money to spend? If you want to see what people are willing to spend on healthcare look at what they are willing to save for a rainy day let alone retirement! It was only a few months ago that some southern city was Giving free or very nearly free coverage and supplies to diabetics but they could not get people to sign up. Even though they advertised it and told them over and over. In fairness, they were modeling a product that has had success in other cities.

 

I suggest you learn more about the Fairness Doctrine. Both Kennedy and Nixon used it like a sledge hammer on their enemies which included the press. One would have to be very fuzzy in the head to think Kerry or Clinton would not abuse the heck out of the FD. And Bush would be ramming it down his enemies throats as well and you would by screaming bloody murder for it.

 

It is not 5 min of counterpoint. Either you do not know or you are intentionally misleading. There is no FD in 55 minutes of Rush and 5 min of some liberal. 30/30 would be FD.

 

Air America still on the air? I guess so. Anyone listen to their Vegan show?

Why is Rush still, years later, so popular?

Where did Rush counterpoints like Al Frankin and angry Janeane Garafalo go?. Maybe it was Jerry Springer that pushed them into obscurity?

 

OK

[macattak1]

We can't afford $125 billion, but the Iraqi war has an estimated cost of 1 to 2 TRILLION DOLLARS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/

2 billion is 2,000,000,000

 

2 trillion is 2,000,000,000,000

 

That's 3 extra 0s.

For the sake of argument lets's say Universal Health care would Cost $2 Billion a year and the Iraq War has cost $2 Trillion. That's a factor of 1000. 6 years of war vs 1000 years of health care?

 

My calculator doesn't go that high....is that right????

 

No. That is not right. You went from 125 billion to 2 billion.

 

Peace and Blessings

[ShockFX]

If one Dislikes G W Bush because he is so opinionated and does things his way there is no way I could ever understand their like for Hilary or Kerry types. If one wants to see how deceitful Hilary and many others can be just watch their Religious Values type democratic debate from a few months ago. How much did Hilary talk about her beliefs and how strong they are and such? But did she ever say what her beliefs were and did you understand what they were after watching that Set Up? Talk about faking it for the crowd.

 

As soon as the FEDs break up Walmart they can go after the next largest monopoly.

 

If one wants to break up the Oil Companies, which by the way is more than just one or two, Walmart should be way ahead of the curve. Oh how about breaking up GNC first? They paid, with their partner, just a few years back, the largest Food price fixing fine ever. $700 million. And that was just for vitamins and such. Break up GNC before you break up 10+ various oil and refinery companies. Oh, but how would you break up big oil? I mean, how many are there? Then what about the refineries? How many of those?

 

Be careful quoting the wiki sources. Especially if you do not read them? Like the part about Canadians and how much they pay out of pocket and how they pay for additional private insurance coverage...

 

Then there is the person who was over at our house last week. She was born in Canada. Her family routinely Still comes down to the US for care. He grandfather had a stroke in Canada in 99 or 2000. He died in a nursing home several months later. They did not give him the simple after stroke med that if provided within 3 hours of a stroke can save lives. Or her uncle. That was just a few years back. After 12+ months he finally came to the US to get diagnosed. But the cancer was so far spread by that time that he just died a few months later. There may not be a Mayo Clinic in every city in every state and you may be stuck with Kaiser Permanente. But at least you have a decent chance at one in the US. Not so in Every other nation. Heck, the Drs. in Canada will even tell their worst patients to take a trip to the US and get into a US ER for 'pains' etc. so that they can get properly taken care of Now.

 

Private health care is not as expensive as one might think. Certainly, having coverage that kicks in at a certain $ value can be very affordable. But the fact is that Very Few people want to pay for it. If the FEDs offered a plan at $25 a month per person to a max of $150 a month per family for coverage beyond $2500 per person few would sign up. Hard cash out of their pocket for a 'what if' verses more money to spend? If you want to see what people are willing to spend on healthcare look at what they are willing to save for a rainy day let alone retirement! It was only a few months ago that some southern city was Giving free or very nearly free coverage and supplies to diabetics but they could not get people to sign up. Even though they advertised it and told them over and over. In fairness, they were modeling a product that has had success in other cities.

 

I suggest you learn more about the Fairness Doctrine. Both Kennedy and Nixon used it like a sledge hammer on their enemies which included the press. One would have to be very fuzzy in the head to think Kerry or Clinton would not abuse the heck out of the FD. And Bush would be ramming it down his enemies throats as well and you would by screaming bloody murder for it.

 

It is not 5 min of counterpoint. Either you do not know or you are intentionally misleading. There is no FD in 55 minutes of Rush and 5 min of some liberal. 30/30 would be FD.

 

Air America still on the air? I guess so. Anyone listen to their Vegan show?

Why is Rush still, years later, so popular?

Where did Rush counterpoints like Al Frankin and angry Janeane Garafalo go?. Maybe it was Jerry Springer that pushed them into obscurity?

 

OK

 

I think the FD went away during Regan's administration.

[SVT_MAN]

I think the FD went away during Regan's administration.

 

[sarcasm] Clearly, the media has a conservative bias. [/sarcasm]

[SVT_MAN]

Don't talk to me you imbecile.

Yes, but only for the rich and powerful.

LOL, you people are so dumb it ridiculous, neo-cos have increased the size and power of government more than anyone, just look at the department of homeland security.

Another Owellian sogan, neo-cons don't have any "values", unless you call pillgfing and plundering "moral values".

Wow, you got one right, so did the Soviet's and the Nazi's.

Domestic interests like Halliburton, Blackwater, ExxonMobil, etc..

How the fuck do you know anything about me? You're own little outburst proves you don't know jack shit about neo-conservatism.

I've read plenty from that disgusting fascist, maybe you should actually go read about the man, and what a raving lunatic he is

 

The funny thing is, from some of your posts, it doesn't seem like you are all that different in political views from me. Yet you attacked me because I think you believe I am (your words) a "Bush Bot." Let me make it clear: I AM NOT A BUSH BOT.

 

 

There is a HUGE difference between what neo-conservative stands for and what Bush stands for. I do not consider Bush a neo-conservative. Bush doesn't stand for most of what neo-conservatives stand for. Like it or not, what I said neo-conservatives stand for is in fact what true neo-conservatives stand for. If you don’t stand for those values and virtues, then you are NOT a neo-conservative...

 

The only thing that I can think of that Bush is neo-conservative on is his expanionist doctrines. He seems hell-bent to control the world. It's been referred to as the Bush doctine. Pretty much EVERYTHING else he is not even close to neo-conservative on.

 

Those neo-conservative policies that I listed out - most of them - but not all (expanionist policy in particular) - I agree with. If a person represented those values, I would vote for them.

 

Not everybody who is labeled by the media as a neo-conservative is in fact a neo-conservative. I do not agree with whom they label neo-conservative. Any fool can see that Bush's administration has had out of control spending habits, which directly defies what neo-conservative stands for.

 

Bush has not held the line on fiscal restraint, and he has not brought forth what he said he was going to. In terms of living up to what he promised us during his campaign, he did exactly what most other politicians have done: broke his promises. Never trust a promise from a politician. They'll say one thing, and do something else.

 

I'm neither a Bush supporter, nor a Bush hater. Bush is simply there. I think he has been forced to make some difficult decisions during his term. I will say that I don't think most other Presidents could have done a whole lot better given the circumstances though. We live in tough times ... we need a true leader, but I don’t think one exists. (The 2008 elections don’t seem too promising on either side.)

 

That said, our taxes could be lower, but I can't see the government lowering them further. And, I hugely disagree with your point that the wealthy get better tax breaks than the rest of us. That's simply not true. As I'm sure you know, we have progressive rate taxes. (This comment will surely be met with some cynical remark given your past responses.) Progressive rate means progressive rate. The rich pay a proportionately higher rate than the rest of us. Corporate taxes are even higher.

 

There is a large degree of corporate welfare, yes. That I will agree to. But rich INDIVIDUALS do not pay less tax than the rest of us. They pay more. And, even if you say that corporations get off easy on taxation, a huge percentage of tax revenue comes from corporations. So, are they really getting off easy? Not really. Without corporations, America wouldn’t be what it is today – for better or worse. (Kiss your computer goodbye, kiss Internet goodbye, list goes on ...)

 

On top of that, the United States has a pretty low tax burden compared to most other countries. We keep creeping ever closer to socialism though. Liberals keep trying to convince everyone that we need a safety net to survive.

 

I never said that I agreed with Irving Kristol or not. I simply stated what he defines neo-conservatism as. I don’t really care what kind of man he is or isn’t. That is and never was at issue. What was at issue is the definition of neo-conservativism. So, if you'll accept what a neo-conservative is by definition, rather than using Bush as an example of one, we'd be fine. Bush is NOT an example of one. He never has been and probably never will be. During his campaign he seemed like one, but he hasn't lived up to that ...

 

I find it quite interesting that you label my post as an outburst when your post was laced with naming-calling, swearing, and emotionally charged vocabulary. Look at my post again. I was simply pointing out that comparing BlackHorse's intelligence to that of a tadpole's is quite harsh considering your definition, in my opinion, is based upon what the pop culture has defined neo-conservativism as, rather than what neo-conservatives themselves stand for.

 

That said, feel free to believe what you want. I choose not to agree with you, but I won't resort to swearing or name calling. (My rhetorical question was not an example of name calling. Its intent was to get you to examine what you had said to BlackHorse.) It's also your choice to dislike what I have to say and to disagree with it as well. It's a free country, you're free to have your own opinions. But, so am I ... remember that.

Edited November 14, 2007 by SVT_MAN