allin Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) It's very stressful to us all the way the media is so bias against the UAW and D3. I've never been in a position to go to Black Lake but now that I am I would like to go. I have a tent and just heard this past summer that we can camp there... Edited January 1, 2009 by allin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeastand Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 how long did it take you to hunt that down, why not just put anther wedge in there. I don’t believe Allin was trying to pour salt in the wound. I think what Allin is saying is we need to be aware of what these uberconservative media outlets are saying to further ruin our name and cause controversy among us and the general public. The reporter says "I would like to know what the UAW is doing with our money". I have news for the reporter. We (the UAW) did not borrow any money for your info. Tell your GOP friends to do their jobs and fix the economy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allin Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) I don’t believe Allin was trying to pour salt in the wound. I think what Allin is saying is we need to be aware of what these uberconservative media outlets are saying to further ruin our name and cause controversy among us and the general public. The reporter says "I would like to know what the UAW is doing with our money". I have news for the reporter. We (the UAW) did not borrow any money for your info. Tell your GOP friends to do their jobs and fix the economy! I guess I should have posted "more bull shit" along with the link. You're right, I wasn't trying to pour salt into our wound. Edited December 31, 2008 by allin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I guess I should have posted "more bull shit" along with the link. You're right, I wasn't trying to pour salt into our wound. I can definitely see it in that light and I'll apologize for assuming. But the media will do anything to keep this charade going to make us look bad. It's getting hard to battle people on any subject that the UAW's name is involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) I guess I should have posted "more bull shit" along with the link. You're right, I wasn't trying to pour salt into our wound. Hopefully i am doing this right. I am trying to remove my last post because i got too pissed. Allin was pointing out more media bashing the u.a.w. and i just felt we need to keep this shit off here. My apologies. Spoke with allin and he didn't mean no harm. Edited December 31, 2008 by steve morris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theycandothat Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Not sure what is going on with the education center, but the golf course. I had heard from a neighbor of mine which runs Boyne Mnt that some Indian Tribe was in the works to buy it and the land, and build a casino, and keep the golf course. I have a place nearby there, and that would be a great idea. Not sure on the progress of this plan, but he would not be making this stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeastand Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Not sure what is going on with the education center, but the golf course. I had heard from a neighbor of mine which runs Boyne Mnt that some Indian Tribe was in the works to buy it and the land, and build a casino, and keep the golf course. I have a place nearby there, and that would be a great idea. Not sure on the progress of this plan, but he would not be making this stuff up. I hop we keep the education center, it would be a huge mistake to sell it. Most members do not realize that anyone can attend classes there and that is where our union leaders learn things like bargaining skils and contractual language reading skils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeastand Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 But the media will do anything to keep this charade going to make us look bad. It's getting hard to battle people on any subject that the UAW's name is involved in. I is geting increasingly harder and will probably get worse untill they figure out they cannot break us. We have to hang in there until the economy picks up. The way we (the body of the union) fight them, is to educate the general public by word of mouth, the truth behind deceptive media outlets. People like us need to be aware of the media and stay on top of it so we can share the truth with the blue collars that dont know any different. We need to get them on our side and show them that the rich are trying to squash our voice so they can kill the middle class. Knowledge is the only thing they cannot take away from us, and this is also our biggest weapon. How we expand, use, and share our knowledge will be our fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ray Jr Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 well, ive been a UAW member for 16 years and i can truthfully say that the UAW is worthless. i think they mean good, but they cant do good. we work for ford motor company....bottom line. they are gonna do what they want, when they want and no one can do a fucking thing about it. i have NEVER been paid a grievance in 16 years of service. committemen are glorified secretaries, nothing more, but much less. AMEN!!! Brother. Couldn't have said it better. If you're a worthless piece of shit, that don't want to work, a alcholic, or a drug abuser then you have nothing to worry about, they will break their backs to stick up for you. If you're a hard worker, that shows up everyday, and does your job, then you are SHIT OUT OF LUCK!!! I would be willing to bet that without a union ole steve would get is ass canned real quick. He's one of those slackers that the union protects. That's why he's a union rep now. WPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Ray Ray Jr., You're ignorant. You obviously know nothing about me. Why you insist on running off at the mouth when you don't even know me is beyond me. If you were someone i knew and respected, i would ask why you feel that way, but since you aren't someone i know or respect, I'll just consider the source. If i had to guess, you're just looking to start some shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ray Jr Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 you're just looking to start some shit. :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) What i was saying is this.... Just listening to this persons posts, it obvious he hates the u.a.w. If that's the case, why don't he stand up for what he believes in? Be a man and quit. Go to a non-union shop and work. I find it hypocritical for someone to bitch and moan about the u.a.w. but gladly accept all the benefits that come from being a member. As far as him being fired, i am a committeeman and i have seen people that break the rules and abuse the system. As a committeeman, it is NOT my job to get people out of trouble. My job is to make sure these peoples rights are not violated. Having said that, i will fight tooth and nail to help everybody once. Everyone makes mistakes. If someone i represent screws up, i ask the company to let me talk to that person first and explain where they went wrong. I also tell the company that if after i have talked to this person, they continue to break the rules, then do what they have to do. No matter what line of work you are in you will always find people who want to break the rules, abuse the system, not pull their weight, etc. Where i believe some elected officials go wrong is constantly bailing these people out and becoming their "crutch" all in the name of getting their vote next term. I don't play that. If that means i will be a one term committeeman, so be it. At least i can look in the mirror when it's all said and done and know i didn't go against all i believe in just for the sake of a vote. This guy sounds just like the type of person i have described. He sounds as if he breaks the rules on a constant basis and when his committeeman can't get if off the hook scott free, he bad mouths him and the entire union. If that's not the case, he shouldn't be so freaking stupid as to get on this site and bad mouth the u.a.w. considering the bullshit we are up against right now. We have more than enough misinformed people out there willing to bad mouth the U.A.W.. Lastly, let me ask you a question. If you owned a home that you paid 2 million for and you were still able to make the payments for, would you sell it today for 1.1 million? Why not wait until the market comes back before you try to sell instead of taking such a huge loss if you are managing to still make the payments? if i'm not mistaken, the U.A.W. has looked into selling this. The problem is the location. It's in the middle of nowhere and there aren't enough people in the surrounding areas that can afford to play on a consistant basis. Who is gonna buy it? I don't care what the union does with their money. It is their money. I have no illusions about it being my money. I pay union dues in return for the union looking after me when I get shorted on my pay, or get shorted on my overtime, little else. I don't want to see some poor sap get the axe, whether he deserves it or not. We all go through rough patches, and need some slack at these times. Labor cost is not a big issue, even with the dead wood taken into consideration. Being a committeeman is a very lucrative position, but sometimes it can get dirty, but that goes with the territory, just like the lawyer who has to defend the guilty child molester. Just plug your nose and do it. Don't rat anybody out to the company. That is not what you are being paid for. Edited January 4, 2009 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't care what the union does with their money. It is their money. You are part of the Union. It's our money. It's money that is being wasted. Instead of bolstering the strike fund, it's being squandered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't care what the union does with their money. It is their money. I have no illusions about it being my money. I pay union dues in return for the union looking after me when I get shorted on my pay, or get shorted on my overtime, little else. I don't want to see some poor sap get the axe, whether he deserves it or not. We all go through rough patches, and need some slack at these times. Labor cost is not a big issue, even with the dead wood taken into consideration. Being a committeeman is a very lucrative position, but sometimes it can get dirty, but that goes with the territory, just like the lawyer who has to defend the guilty child molester. Just plug your nose and do it. Don't rat anybody out to the company. That is not what you are being paid for. 1) "being a committeeman is a very lucrative position"...what the hell are you talking about? How is being a committeeman lucrative? 2)"Just like a lawyer who has to defend the guilty child molester. Just plug your nose and do it"... Are you actually trying to say that if i know that a person was late AGAIN, or awol for the 33rd time this year so far, it's my job to try to get him/her off the hook without any discipline? Kiss my ass, you got the wrong committeeman! 3) "don't rat anyone out"...i don't tell management anything, they tell me why they want to discipline someone. I'll help anyone, but if they continuously break the rules even after i talked to them, shame on them. I'm not their crutch. I don't know what makes you think my job as a committeeman is to get you out of trouble when you do something that is against company rules, but it's not! My job is to make sure the company doesn't violate your rights. It's not your right to come in to work when you feel like it, to come to work late, to leave the plant without permission, etc. When i became a committeeman, i told all the supervisors i deal with that before they write anyone up, give me one chance to correct the problem. If after that, the employee didn't correct the problem, do what they felt they had to do. I think that's fair. I don't want to see anyone get written up, but i'll be damned if i am gonna spend all my time trying to get some slug out of trouble when they willingly choose not to come to work. If you can show me where it's my job to do that, I'll resign today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You are part of the Union. It's our money. It's money that is being wasted. Instead of bolstering the strike fund, it's being squandered. Don't even bother with this pos, he's as bad as RAY RAY pos. POS's Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) 1) "being a committeeman is a very lucrative position"...what the hell are you talking about? How is being a committeeman lucrative?2)"Just like a lawyer who has to defend the guilty child molester. Just plug your nose and do it"... Are you actually trying to say that if i know that a person was late AGAIN, or awol for the 33rd time this year so far, it's my job to try to get him/her off the hook without any discipline? Kiss my ass, you got the wrong committeeman! 3) "don't rat anyone out"...i don't tell management anything, they tell me why they want to discipline someone. I'll help anyone, but if they continuously break the rules even after i talked to them, shame on them. I'm not their crutch. I don't know what makes you think my job as a committeeman is to get you out of trouble when you do something that is against company rules, but it's not! My job is to make sure the company doesn't violate your rights. It's not your right to come in to work when you feel like it, to come to work late, to leave the plant without permission, etc. When i became a committeeman, i told all the supervisors i deal with that before they write anyone up, give me one chance to correct the problem. If after that, the employee didn't correct the problem, do what they felt they had to do. I think that's fair. I don't want to see anyone get written up, but i'll be damned if i am gonna spend all my time trying to get some slug out of trouble when they willingly choose not to come to work. If you can show me where it's my job to do that, I'll resign today! The company has HR to deal with discipline. Your job is to do what you can to help him. If he has gone too far, and you have done your best for him, then you have done your job. Don't gripe about it. Think of yourself as a lawyer. You make more money than most lawyers, and they have to deal with repeat offenders on a daily basis. It isn't helpful for you to be posting negative comments about the membership that you represent. I, personally am proud to be a Ford employee, and would be willing to compare our overall record with that of any organization. There is a plaque on the wall with the names of all of the employees who had perfect attendence for the last calendar year. If your plant is typical, there are a lot of names on it, and some with one, two, three, or four asterics, each one representing five consecutive years of perfect attendence. Why don't you write about that? It has never been in the interest of the union for employees to excel. The more awols, the more utilities, and the more union dues. I had many, many, years of perfect attendence and did my job very well, and I was never liked much by the union crowd. Edited January 5, 2009 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) :happy feet: iuW9ofDcA9kfRu = banned. We are simply not going to take people coming into the Ford Employee Forum like this any longer Haven't you learned your lesson yet iuW9ofDcA9kfRu ? By the way........I see your former ID unscrambles as "fuck iuaw ford 99".....how clever you are little man. Edited January 5, 2009 by level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 The company has HR to deal with discipline. Your job is to do what you can to help him. If he has gone too far, and you have done your best for him, then you have done your job. Don't gripe about it. Think of yourself as a lawyer. You make more money than most lawyers, and they have to deal with repeat offenders on a daily basis. It isn't helpful for you to be posting negative comments about the membership that you represent. I, personally am proud to be a Ford employee, and would be willing to compare our overall record with that of any organization. There is a plaque on the wall with the names of all of the employees who had perfect attendence for the last calendar year. If your plant is typical, there are a lot of names on it, and some with one, two, three, or four asterics, each one representing five consecutive years of perfect attendence. Why don't you write about that? It has never been in the interest of the union for employees to excel. The more awols, the more utilities, and the more union dues. I had many, many, years of perfect attendence and did my job very well, and I was never liked much by the union crowd. Let me make sure i understand this.... 1) "you have many many years" ...but you still don't understand how discipline works??? Hr only deals with discipline when a person is up for 2 weeks off or more. They may get involved sooner if the supervisor OR committeeman requests it, but the committeeman is always involved with discipline unless the employee waives their right for representation. 2)"your job is to do what you can to help him"...You're right to an extent. I will help anyone who is willing to help themselves. If i come across a person who can't make it to work on a continuous basis simply because he/she stays up to late partying, I'll talk to him/her. If they chose to continue staying up to late partying after I've talked to them, they're getting what's coming! If i come across a person who normally isn't a attendance problem but is going through a rough patch due to divorce or personal problems, i will do all that i can to help them. If they refuse to get help through whatever means are available, i can only do so much. I will say it one more time for you though....It is not my job to get people out of trouble if they refuse to follow the company rules! It is my job to make sure the company does not violate their contractual rights. 3)"You make more money than most lawyers"...What exactly are you smoking? You need to put the pipe down and come back to reality Bro. 4) "why don't I write about the people with perfect attendance"... I have. I have stated numerous times on many posts that the majority of employees come to work without a problem and do their jobs well. 5) "It's has never been in the interest of the union for employees to excel." "the more awlos, the more utilities, and the more union dues."[/b].....Refer to my answer to #3. Trust me Brother, facing reality isn't that bad if you just give it a chance. PUT THE PIPE DOWN! 6) "I had many many years of perfect attendance and did my job very well, and i was never liked much by the union crowd.".... Maybe I'm wrong, but i don't think it has anything to do with your many years of perfect attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCM Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) The company has HR to deal with discipline. Your job is to do what you can to help him. If he has gone too far, and you have done your best for him, then you have done your job. Don't gripe about it. Think of yourself as a lawyer. You make more money than most lawyers, and they have to deal with repeat offenders on a daily basis. It isn't helpful for you to be posting negative comments about the membership that you represent. I, personally am proud to be a Ford employee, and would be willing to compare our overall record with that of any organization. There is a plaque on the wall with the names of all of the employees who had perfect attendence for the last calendar year. If your plant is typical, there are a lot of names on it, and some with one, two, three, or four asterics, each one representing five consecutive years of perfect attendence. Why don't you write about that? It has never been in the interest of the union for employees to excel. The more awols, the more utilities, and the more union dues. I had many, many, years of perfect attendence and did my job very well, and I was never liked much by the union crowd. This makes zero sense in my opinion. The job of the committeeman is to represent the membership in hearings and to make sue they are not violated, within the confines of the agreement. It also their job to let members know when they are doing wrong. They are not babysitters, everyone in the UAW is a grown man or woman. It all starts in kindergarten. Right from wrong. You cannot put it on the committeeman when someone continuously break rules. It is simliar to a lawyer in some sense but the job of a committeeman is to protect all members, when you allow members to keep doing wrong you are a part of the problem not the solution. Tell them like a man. "Grow up this is your job not the fun house!' Edited January 5, 2009 by MCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) This makes zero sense in my opinion. The job of the committeeman is to represent the membership in hearings and to make sue they are not violated, within the confines of the agreement. It also their job to let members know when they are doing wrong. They are not babysitters, everyone in the UAW is a grown man or woman. It all starts in kindergarten. Right from wrong. You cannot put it on the committeeman when someone continuously break rules. It is simliar to a lawyer in some sense but the job of a committeeman is to protect all members, when you allow members to keep doing wrong you are a part of the problem not the solution. Tell them like a man. "Grow up this is your job not the fun house!' The union should present its best case for the accused. The union should not voice anything negative about the accused. The union should try to get as light a sentence for the accused as possible. If I am a lawyer, and the court tries to suggest that I am in any way responsibe for the behavior of my client, or that I should tell him how to behave, I would ignore that. I am just his legal representative, not his collaborator or guardian. He pays his dues , so he should get the best defense possible. If he gets fired, after exhausting all appeals, so be it. The union should not be judging him. They are not the judge, just his lawyer. The average lawyer in the US makes $64,000 per year. A committeeman makes more than most lawyers. Edited January 6, 2009 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The union should present its best case for the accused. The union should not voice anything negative about the accused. The union should try to get as light a sentence for the accused as possible. If I am a lawyer, and the court tries to suggest that I am in any way responsibe for the behavior of my client, or that I should tell him how to behave, I would ignore that. I am just his legal representative, not his collaborator or guardian. He pays his dues , so he should get the best defense possible. If he gets fired, after exhausting all appeals, so be it. The union should not be judging him. They are not the judge, just his lawyer. The average lawyer in the US makes $64,000 per year. A committeeman makes more than most lawyers. There is no sense in discussing this with you. You're a idiot. OOPS< i just judged you. By the way, if the average lawyer in the U.S. makes $64,000, they are shitty lawyers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hee haw Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 There is no sense in discussing this with you. You're a idiot. OOPS< i just judged you. By the way, if the average lawyer in the U.S. makes $64,000, they are shitty lawyers! Steve, you have came to the same conclusion as most people who have read his posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There is no sense in discussing this with you. You're a idiot. OOPS< i just judged you. By the way, if the average lawyer in the U.S. makes $64,000, they are shitty lawyers! I just use logic, and it usually leads my adversaries into a brick wall with no where to turn except to slander me. Have a nice day, sir, and thank-you for once again proving me right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeastand Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The union should present its best case for the accused. The union should not voice anything negative about the accused. The union should try to get as light a sentence for the accused as possible. If I am a lawyer, and the court tries to suggest that I am in any way responsibe for the behavior of my client, or that I should tell him how to behave, I would ignore that. I am just his legal representative, not his collaborator or guardian. He pays his dues , so he should get the best defense possible. If he gets fired, after exhausting all appeals, so be it. The union should not be judging him. They are not the judge, just his lawyer. The average lawyer in the US makes $64,000 per year. A committeeman makes more than most lawyers. I'm sorry Trim but I still don't understand where you are coming from. A committeeman is not a lawyer. You cannot compare the two. A committeeman’s job is to make sure our rights are not violated while we are at work. Example: You've had perfect attendance all these years but suddenly you are deathly ill and have to go into the hospital. After a couple of weeks you come back to work and labor relations dept. gives you a bunch of crap because your doctor didn't fill out the paper work correctly and they threaten to discipline you. That’s when you need a committeeman. Now your are telling me the guy who is late every day because he is out in the parking selling drugs and is so high he cannot hardly stand up, should have union representation? A committeeman should be trying to justify these actions to the company? The reason I am asking is because this is the way you come across. The "attendance part" happened to me. I don't miss work so I am not sure about all the paper work and who completes what. The "high drug dealer" was a real frustrating experience for my team. Not every situation qualifies for union representation. Committeemen are not lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morris Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I just use logic, and it usually leads my adversaries into a brick wall with no where to turn except to slander me. Have a nice day, sir, and thank-you for once again proving me right. I didn't run into a brick wall, I just know that you just cant fix stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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