gplt1106 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. Yes look at Delphi and American Axle even with all they gave up they will not survive.Vote NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I'll vote yes if they bring jobs back from other countries so we have jobs to buy cars, and if the eliminate the local union at our plant. I figure we don't have a contract anyway, so why do we need them. We are being run from the international anyway. Our voice does not exist, and contracts mean nothing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTCNAGT Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. You need a reality check. Our $3,000,000 per year consession won't bail Ford out when they are burning 1 billion a month. Some may look at JSP as a perk but most of us look at it as a negotiated survival language that protects us for EXACT TIMES LIKE THESE. This is the best time for a hardcore stance, our survival depends on it. VOTE NO!!!!!![/size] Solidarity Edited February 27, 2009 by XTCNAGT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILTR Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 You need a reality check.Our $3,000,000 per year consession won't bail Ford out when they are burning 1 billion a month. Some may look at JSP as a perk but most of us look at it as a negotiated survival language that protects us for EXACT TIMES LIKE THESE. This is the best time for a hardcore stance, our survival depends on it. VOTE NO!!!!!![/size] Solidarity VOTE YES and remember what Jack Sparrow said "Take what you can . give nothing back" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale143 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 VOTE YES and remember what Jack Sparrow said "Take what you can . give nothing back" http://www.staralicious.com/wp-content/upl...ack-sparrow.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplt1106 Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Yes look at Delphi and American Axle even with all they gave up they will not survive.Vote NO. So with your NO vote you're saying you want the government to decide your wages health care and pension??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udontkno Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 So with your NO vote you're saying you want the government to decide your wages health care and pension??? Last time I checked we have a contract that defines pay and benefits. The government has no reason or right to alter our contract. If Ford needs a loan from the govt, the govt still has no right to alter our contract only we have a right to vote to change our contract. The only way a judge can throw out our contract is through bankruptcy. I spoke with an IUAW rep today and he reluctantly admited that if we dont pass this agreement the IUAW will probably go back to the table to negotiate something we will pass. This isnt a zero sum game like everyone is saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteford Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) So with your NO vote you're saying you want the government to decide your wages health care and pension??? I would say vote no to help your brothers & sisters from having to file bankruptcy. While most will survive with sub at 72%. How many will survive at 50%? Granted we can go get a job while on Tap but who the hell is hiring. Most mortgages are around 30% of your take home. Can we say Bankruptcy! Edited February 27, 2009 by whiteford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 So with your NO vote you're saying you want the government to decide your wages health care and pension??? We have not received one cent from the government until we do we give up nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightningdriver93 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. ARE THESE NUM NUTS CRAWLING OUT OF THE WOOD WORK OR WHAT??? I wonder who is all behind this??? Hmmmmmm :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightningdriver93 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 If thats the case then lets just freeze some stuff, not give it up we are retooling at plants the gov is pushing more product to be built in the USA ,slow down this did not happen over night but you want us to give it up just like that,hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary112 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 You need a reality check.Our $3,000,000 per year consession won't bail Ford out when they are burning 1 billion a month. VOTE NO!!!!!![/size] Solidarity Three milliion dollar concession? I wish I made that? Vote NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 If thats the case then lets just freeze some stuff, not give it up we are retooling at plants the gov is pushing more product to be built in the USA ,slow down this did not happen over night but you want us to give it up just like that,hell no. Who the hell our you???? Freeze what??? theyr're taking everything.....PLEASE GOD GIVE THIS PERSON A CLUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAIFactoryRat Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think the concessions are horse shit, but what other choice do we have? Vote no and then take it to GM and pattern the agreement after what GM agrees to? If that happens, our next choice will be even worse. Plus think of what the media will do with this, and how public opinion of each and every one of us will be. Who cares you might ask? The people that vote for government officials that have us by the balls. As much as I HATE to say it, we have to vote for this piece of shit agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoardpm Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. Have you been watching the news. We are already getting slayed. Nobody says anything about Ford not taking any money. All you hear is the about is "the bailout of the autoindustry" beeing blasted across every tv station. And the public want us gone already. They all think of us as over paid, lazy , UNION bastards. A yes vote wont change that nor will it change fords financial situation. Because the excutives will never take a pay "perminante" paycut. Like all repbulicans....they want us to give more so they don't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigranger94 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. VOTE NO!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigcountry Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 No matter how much this sucks gotta vote yes..Times are bad and the company only has so much cash to burn through before they have to take government money then we are F#*ked. The politicians can't even run the government let alone a car company. Corker and Shelby already tried to bust the UAW and they don't need us to give them a second try at it. We are gaining market share because we haven't taken money from the government. The public's perception is helping us, but if we vote NO the media will SLAY us, and the UAW will be a bunch of greedy selfish Fu#ks who don't want to give up their perks in the worst economy in our lifetime. Look at Delphi or American axle.... we haven't given up shit compared to them. This is not the time for a hardcore stance get your head outta the sand. NO one wants this but it is necessary. WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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