jrboatin Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20090329/BUSI...Obama+auto+plan or http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2009032...orced+out+at+GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard Driver Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) Government doesn't like the way you run your business so they tell you to hit the road. What's next folks? Didn't thousands of our military people die in Vietnam fighting communism!? Edited March 29, 2009 by Hard Driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Government doesn't like the way you run your business so they tell you to hit the road. What's next folks? Didn't thousands of our military people die in Vietnam fighting communism!? And didn't the U.S. lose in Vietnam? Sheesh. What the fuck does this have to do with 'Nam? IMHO, this is a stupid and pointless thing for GM to do; Wagoner would have done whatever the task force recommends. This doesn't really change anything. And for the record, Obama is wrong in saying the workers need to sacrifice more. Shit, we could all work for free, and it wouldn't help sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSing Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 And for the record, Obama is wrong in saying the workers need to sacrifice more. Shit, we could all work for free, and it wouldn't help sales. Id really like to know where you think Obama said that . Please post a link or two . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indycat Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Id really like to know where you think Obama said that . Please post a link or two . http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...try-needs-help/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmont Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Id really like to know where you think Obama said that . Please post a link or two . All hail King Obama!!! Wow he and his crack pot team are doing so well running us into debt. Spending more money than Washington 2 Bush!! News flash Obama the reason we are in the shape we are in currently in is I will say this very slow so you can understand it is NON CAR PEOPLE RUNNING CAR COMPANIES!!!! You want to save the big 3 keep your non paying taxes cronies out of our business that includes you!! Ask the car guys what they need and give it to them and step back. I believe that is how capitalism works or have you not read the cliff notes on that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 All hail King Obama!!! Wow he and his crack pot team are doing so well running us into debt. Spending more money than Washington 2 Bush!! News flash Obama the reason we are in the shape we are in currently in is I will say this very slow so you can understand it is NON CAR PEOPLE RUNNING CAR COMPANIES!!!! You want to save the big 3 keep your non paying taxes cronies out of our business that includes you!! Ask the car guys what they need and give it to them and step back. I believe that is how capitalism works or have you not read the cliff notes on that yet. Yeah and capitalism also operates without govt. money. So that would leave the Little 2 to a true bankruptcy. Thats something we can get all giddy about(sarcasm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='Pumpmaster' date='Mar 29 2009, 07:31 PM' post='487302' And for the record, Obama is wrong in saying the workers need to sacrifice more. Shit, we could all work for free, and it wouldn't help sales. Um, he never said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...try-needs-help/ Sorry but nothing in there says Obama says workers need to sacrifice "more". GM and Chrys havn't sacrificed anything at all yet. .... We have. .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflep1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 whereswaldo, Obama said all parties involved need to sacrifice more..management, workers (that would be us),shareholders, suppliers, finance arms & dealerships. It has been on CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX and everywhere else for 2 days. Our president and govenment are now telling private businesses how to run their business, which equals.....Socialism. Don't be naive in thinking Obama is a savior, he's not...he's a socialist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 whereswaldo, Obama said all parties involved need to sacrifice more..management, workers (that would be us),shareholders, suppliers, finance arms & dealerships. It has been on CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX and everywhere else for 2 days. Our president and govenment are now telling private businesses how to run their business, which equals.....Socialism. Don't be naive in thinking Obama is a savior, he's not...he's a socialist! If I may; I think waldo was saying Ford UAW workers have already agreed to and ratified modifications to the 2007 agreement , where GM and Chrysler UAW workers have not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasyfrank Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 And didn't the U.S. lose in Vietnam? Sheesh. What the fuck does this have to do with 'Nam? IMHO, this is a stupid and pointless thing for GM to do; Wagoner would have done whatever the task force recommends. This doesn't really change anything. And for the record, Obama is wrong in saying the workers need to sacrifice more. Shit, we could all work for free, and it wouldn't help sales. Your last sentence say's it all. If people don't get back to work, they won't be buying cars. We can give up everything and it won't help at all if nobody is buying anything. I can't think of anybody I know who has bought a new car in a long time....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 whereswaldo, Obama said all parties involved need to sacrifice more..management, workers (that would be us),shareholders, suppliers, finance arms & dealerships. It has been on CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX and everywhere else for 2 days. Our president and govenment are now telling private businesses how to run their business, which equals.....Socialism. Don't be naive in thinking Obama is a savior, he's not...he's a socialist! I agree w/ your first sentence; disagree w/ your last. Obama is not a "socialist." What evidence do you have to support your statement? He IS a capitalist, a centrist, and a DLCC Democrat. You're also correct that he's not a "savior;" there's no such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittet150 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='Pumpmaster' date='Mar 29 2009, 07:31 PM' post='487302'And for the record, Obama is wrong in saying the workers need to sacrifice more. Shit, we could all work for free, and it wouldn't help sales. Um, he never said that. Are you tools so much in love with this guy that you pull out of his speeches only what you want to hear? Face it, if his task force says it, he is saying it! And we all heard him say that everybody needs to make more sacrifices. That includes bondholders, suppliers, and labor. I heard that they invited Thad McCotter to the Region 1A quarterly meeting the other day. First time they think that a republican politician has ever entered that building. You want to know what he said? Washington needs to quit coming down on the workers of the Big 3 and start looking from within to solve this mess. We are well on our way to socialism. Unless we speak up and knock off the crap of selecting only what we want to hear from our elected officials!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittet150 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20090329/pl_cq_...politics3087615 Hope this jogs a few peoples memories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Wagoner stepped down on his own.. He could have stayed and GM would have had to file bankruptcy so he left. The govt is paying there bills so they can suggest how and who runs the company its as simple as that. All of those CEO and salary purks like free cars and gas are gone now and thats a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wie geth's? Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Forwarded from an email... Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country and our banking system to the same nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordguy61mi Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 If Chrysler doesn't buddy up with Fiat then they're screwed. The government is done with them. This is getting scary...er. http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20647 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Government is the cause of the trouble in the auto industry. They should be solving it without touching GM or Chrysler. It is their high taxation of the new car-buying class, heavy-handed regulations, giving imports free access to the market without recpication from them, and their destructive interfering in the financial industry which has crippled the domestic auto industry. What they need to do is immediately remove all taxes from automobiles, and give an income tax deduction for the purchace of a domestic new car to everybody, not just businesses. We all need cars for work. If the Japanese don't like it, their government can do the same for them. In a way, they do it now, anyway. If we are putting these government clowns in charge of running the domestic auto industry, we may as well just it down now and be done with it and save some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Government is the cause of the trouble in the auto industry. They should be solving it without touching GM or Chrysler. It is their high taxation of the new car-buying class, heavy-handed regulations, giving imports free access to the market without recpication from them, and their destructive interfering in the financial industry which has crippled the domestic auto industry. What they need to do is immediately remove all taxes from automobiles, and give an income tax deduction for the purchace of a domestic new car to everybody, not just businesses. We all need cars for work. If the Japanese don't like it, their government can do the same for them. In a way, they do it now, anyway. If we are putting these government clowns in charge of running the domestic auto industry, we may as well just it down now and be done with it and save some money. U dont know what your talking about so next time dont post. NO taxes have been raised on the top 2,5 or 10% of $$ earners. So your wrong and what u posted makes u look very uninformed and borderline stupid. The last 8 years the rich have had low taxes. The last 8 years the rich have made more $$ then in any other 8 years in world history. The wall Street crowd has made more $$ in the last 8 years then in any other 8 years in world history yet they still got greedy and screwed it up for everyone. Dont blame high taxes.. The bankers and the GOP party caused this by deregulating everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 U dont know what your talking about so next time dont post. NO taxes have been raised on the top 2,5 or 10% of $$ earners. So your wrong and what u posted makes u look very uninformed and borderline stupid. The last 8 years the rich have had low taxes. The last 8 years the rich have made more $$ then in any other 8 years in world history. The wall Street crowd has made more $$ in the last 8 years then in any other 8 years in world history yet they still got greedy and screwed it up for everyone. Dont blame high taxes.. The bankers and the GOP party caused this by deregulating everything. Low wage earners pay no taxes. I pay an obscene amount of tax. A car payment is $600 a month. I pay over $2500 a month in income tax. If that was reduced to a more reasonable amount of $1500 a month, I would buy a new car every year, and my wife, being in the same tax bracket, would buy one also. I don't know what it is in the various States, but in Ontario, the sales tax on a new car is 8% of the retail price. That is more than the total labor cost to assemble it. If you cannot see that the government is responsible for the problems in the auto industry, well.....what you said about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseyshore Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 All hail King Obama!!! Wow he and his crack pot team are doing so well running us into debt. Spending more money than Washington 2 Bush!! News flash Obama the reason we are in the shape we are in currently in is I will say this very slow so you can understand it is NON CAR PEOPLE RUNNING CAR COMPANIES!!!! You want to save the big 3 keep your non paying taxes cronies out of our business that includes you!! Ask the car guys what they need and give it to them and step back. I believe that is how capitalism works or have you not read the cliff notes on that yet. Car people running car companies has worked out real well. Mullaly has no background in auto and coincidentally, Ford is the only one not receiving government aid. The auto industry has been in decline since the eighties. Long before Obama showed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard Driver Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 And didn't the U.S. lose in Vietnam? Sheesh. What the fuck does this have to do with 'Nam? Sorry pumpmaster I guess that flew over your head. Our government leaders always claimed that they were not in favor of communism. Now our government is starting to tell us how to run our business and how much we should be paid. As this continues and spreads through other businesses and industries the result is a loss of control and voice for working people. Sounds a little like socialism and communism to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflep1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hard driver, it sounds a LOT like socialism and more like communism. When socialistic European countries tell the U.S. that their new policies are extremely socialistic, even more than their own, we know we are in big trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napbob Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Instead of working for a dollar he should have told DC he would donate his income to the DNC. I bet he would still have a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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