Ckr01 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 http://www.uaw.org/contracts/07/gm/gm07.php Obama wants the courts to pull healthcare bennies from the retirees at G.M. Ron G. steps up and does what he does best....HIS JOB !!!!! Lets all give Ron a big ATTA BOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 http://www.uaw.org/contracts/07/gm/gm07.php Obama wants the courts to pull healthcare bennies from the retirees at G.M. Ron G. steps up and does what he does best....HIS JOB !!!!! Lets all give Ron a big ATTA BOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: Is that OBAMA that wants to take the health care from the retirees???? could lcjdad or die comment on that.........im sure there is a perfectly good reason as there always is for the bammer' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 In addition to securing health care funding through the new VEBA, we put a high priority on improving pension incomes for current retirees. We are proud that the tentative agreement includes improved pension benefits for all classes of retirees, together with lump sums in all four years of the agreement. Anyone know more about this? Especially what ( when. how much) the lump sum is. Do we have same at Ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 In addition to securing health care funding through the new VEBA, we put a high priority on improving pension incomes for current retirees. We are proud that the tentative agreement includes improved pension benefits for all classes of retirees, together with lump sums in all four years of the agreement. Anyone know more about this? Especially what ( when. how much) the lump sum is. Do we have same at Ford? Go back and see how much GM paid in yrly healthcare for retirees. Their VEBA will have to cut bennies alot to stay solvent. Yes its better than no healthcare but VEBA will be a major.major concession. It was bad enough when we allowed it into the 2007 contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Go back and see how much GM paid in yrly healthcare for retirees. Their VEBA will have to cut bennies alot to stay solvent. Yes its better than no healthcare but VEBA will be a major.major concession. It was bad enough when we allowed it into the 2007 contract. So much for Ron saving benefits .I heard the GM retirees like their Chrysler brothers were losing Dental,Optical and Viagra plus getting higher copays.Home run Ron. Edited May 27, 2009 by skeptic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 http://www.uaw.org/contracts/07/gm/gm07.php Obama wants the courts to pull healthcare bennies from the retirees at G.M. Ron G. steps up and does what he does best....HIS JOB !!!!! Lets all give Ron a big ATTA BOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: That link takes you to the UAW site ...and the article is from 2 years ago, and the establishment of VEBA...Why are you wasting our time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 How is losing dental, vision, and prescription coverage (on certain drugs) "saving benefits"? Sounds like losing to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddaughter Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 How is losing dental, vision, and prescription coverage (on certain drugs) "saving benefits"? Sounds like losing to me.... The vision coverage SUCKS anyways so no big loss there. I'd rather these three things than total health care coverage. I think we all can make it without dental/vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udontkno Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Is that OBAMA that wants to take the health care from the retirees???? could lcjdad or die comment on that.........im sure there is a perfectly good reason as there always is for the bammer' I could understand why the auto task force wants the health care benefits. Maybe this will help push a single payer or national health care bill. The way I see it is over the years the vast majority of UAW workers never supported a single payer system or national health care. They said I have insurance why should I push for national health care. Now the hen has come home to roost and the auto companies cannot afford to pay for our health care plus the poor people who have no health care but get services and those with insurance make up the difference through raised medical cost. If the union workers were more active and pushed for health care for all then they would not have to worry about losing their benefits. Maybe those of us who are more fortunate and have good benefits should stand up for those who may have never caught a good break and worked in a union shop that negotiated benefits. Working people are all in the same boat and we can either strool though life or we can become united and help others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotlanta Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 The vision coverage SUCKS anyways so no big loss there. I'd rather these three things than total health care coverage. I think we all can make it without dental/vision. That's easy for a someone who isn't in our shoes to state. Older workers actually need that vision and dental coverage. Have you had to pay for a root canal and crown lately? At least $1,500 a pop. And as you get older, the teeth usually need work just like the rest of your body. It's not unusual for an older person to run up 5 or 10 thousand dollars worth of dental work in 5 years time. As far as vision goes, I'd much prefer being able to go to an SVS vision center and get a cheap pair of glasses at no cost, than to have no vision coverage at all. How many older people do you see who DON'T wear glasses? I realize that retirees should "share the pain", but totally taking away the things, that as you get older you need the most (other than healthcare) is not how we should be treating our retirees. If this happens at Ford (which I'm sure it will), this will hurt many. Some of us (as myself) took an early retirement at the age of 50 when our plant shut down, so we don't receive much of a monthly pension, but we DO count on the health, dental, and vision insurance. When that dental and vision is taken away from us, it will really hit hard. So you see, while it may be easy for YOU to make it without dental/vision, it's not so easy for everyone. I could state "well, I think the current workers can make it easily making $5 less an hour". How would you feel about THAT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcap719 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 That's easy for a someone who isn't in our shoes to state. Older workers actually need that vision and dental coverage. Have you had to pay for a root canal and crown lately? At least $1,500 a pop. And as you get older, the teeth usually need work just like the rest of your body. It's not unusual for an older person to run up 5 or 10 thousand dollars worth of dental work in 5 years time. As far as vision goes, I'd much prefer being able to go to an SVS vision center and get a cheap pair of glasses at no cost, than to have no vision coverage at all. How many older people do you see who DON'T wear glasses? I realize that retirees should "share the pain", but totally taking away the things, that as you get older you need the most (other than healthcare) is not how we should be treating our retirees. If this happens at Ford (which I'm sure it will), this will hurt many. Some of us (as myself) took an early retirement at the age of 50 when our plant shut down, so we don't receive much of a monthly pension, but we DO count on the health, dental, and vision insurance. When that dental and vision is taken away from us, it will really hit hard. So you see, while it may be easy for YOU to make it without dental/vision, it's not so easy for everyone. I could state "well, I think the current workers can make it easily making $5 less an hour". How would you feel about THAT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcap719 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I don't like the idea of giving up vision and dental but keeping the legal service.I don't know about most people but i've only used the legal service 2 times in 30 yrs.Just my two cents worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugots Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 If we don't stand together and fight we will lose everything. I'm tired of laying down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMoVisteon Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 If we don't stand together and fight we will lose everything. I'm tired of laying down. You said it, brother! Now, let's see if the IUAW finds some principle to think and do as well. But as we know, the middle class in the rest of the country should be making a stand as well. This affects us ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugots Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 It falls on us ladies and gentlemen. History has an odd tendency to repeat itself. Just as our founding members of the UAW had to fight, so shall we. Just as they were first to fight, we shall be too. They were not "super men". They were regular working class citizens who realized enough was enough. I know this is scary. You are not alone. Our founding members were scared as well. But they stuck together and persevered. So shall we. The UAW led the way for the average american to earn a good living. After Ruether and the rest made a stand, america followed. We are trend setters, we are ground breakers. We are the UAW. Don't forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 So much for Ron saving benefits .I heard the GM retirees like their Chrysler brothers were losing Dental,Optical and Viagra plus getting higher copays.Home run Ron. the UAW cut those benefits not GM. The UAW runs the VEBA and they know that it wont last 15 years without some cuts. I see no problem in what they did. Ask yourself do you want the fund to last 15-20 years with the max benefits or last 25-30 years with some cuts. The 15 yr employee is the one who should be pissed not the retiree. The 15 yr guy may not see 1 dime of the VEBA how fair is that? No more can we blame GM or Ford for any cuts the union is running the entire thing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddaughter Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 That's easy for a someone who isn't in our shoes to state. Older workers actually need that vision and dental coverage. Have you had to pay for a root canal and crown lately? At least $1,500 a pop. And as you get older, the teeth usually need work just like the rest of your body. It's not unusual for an older person to run up 5 or 10 thousand dollars worth of dental work in 5 years time. As far as vision goes, I'd much prefer being able to go to an SVS vision center and get a cheap pair of glasses at no cost, than to have no vision coverage at all. How many older people do you see who DON'T wear glasses? I realize that retirees should "share the pain", but totally taking away the things, that as you get older you need the most (other than healthcare) is not how we should be treating our retirees. If this happens at Ford (which I'm sure it will), this will hurt many. Some of us (as myself) took an early retirement at the age of 50 when our plant shut down, so we don't receive much of a monthly pension, but we DO count on the health, dental, and vision insurance. When that dental and vision is taken away from us, it will really hit hard. So you see, while it may be easy for YOU to make it without dental/vision, it's not so easy for everyone. I could state "well, I think the current workers can make it easily making $5 less an hour". How would you feel about THAT??? I don't want anyone to lose anything, don't get me wrong. It's been a terrible process to watch and my heart breaks for all the UAW. My dad has put in 32 HARD years in and it stinks what is happening. The dental insurance is a bigger loss out of the two in terms of costs in the long run. However, I also see how bad the coverage is w/ vision now. My parents spent $400 between the both of them the last time. I for one can't stand SVS vision they messed my glasses up more than once and don't keep frames, or lenses in stock so if we have a change we have to buy new glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotlanta Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I don't want anyone to lose anything, don't get me wrong. It's been a terrible process to watch and my heart breaks for all the UAW. My dad has put in 32 HARD years in and it stinks what is happening. The dental insurance is a bigger loss out of the two in terms of costs in the long run. However, I also see how bad the coverage is w/ vision now. My parents spent $400 between the both of them the last time. I for one can't stand SVS vision they messed my glasses up more than once and don't keep frames, or lenses in stock so if we have a change we have to buy new glasses. Sorry you had problems with SVS. We've never had problems with them. As a matter-of-fact, they caught a problem with my youngest daughters eyes a few years ago and did not hesitate to send her to a specialist. And luckily the specialist was covered under our health insurance. I'm just saying that not every retiree is the same. Some of us not only had to take an early retirement, but also had to find another job since we only had 10 years or so with the company and our pensions won't help us out much. The company I am with at present has health insurance, but it would cost $600 a month for a family policy, and that's with pretty sorry coverage, deductibles, and co-pays. So until I turn 62 (which is 11 years away), I count on the benefits that I have with Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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