Edstock Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Here's your link by staff writer, October 15, 2007 Ah, current events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 And here's one of my favorites: Ont. physician turns away patient for being 55+ Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Yeah you stick with yours....that's funny, because you don't have a choice unless you move here.....I still have choices...... I would say "scrambling " ( ahem ) to come here for treatment if they weren't satisfied in Canada indicates they do have a choice....they just have to pay through the nose if the decision is here, correct?...so, they can wait in Canada, but if they get impatient, can come here and subsidize someones maids Mercedes. Can a US citizen go to Canada for treatment if they cannot afford or don't like the wait here?........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) When comparing Canada’s single-payer health insurance system with the pluralistic system in the United States, many people mistakenly assume that Canadians enjoy universal coverage while receiving the same quality and quantity of medical goods and services as Americans, but at lower costs. The reality is that, on average, Americans spend more of their incomes on health care, but get faster access to more and better medical resources in return for the money spent. In truth, the Canadian health insurance system is not cheap at all: it is actually among the most expensive in the world. Recent statistics show that only three other comparable countries (United States, Iceland, and Switzerland) spend more of their national income on health care than Canada. More importantly, Canadians do not get good value for money from their health system. There are many hidden costs in Canadian health care that are ignored by advocates of single-payer systems. Link Release Date: July 7, 2009 TORONTO, ON-The idea that large numbers of Americans are declaring bankruptcy due to medical expenses is a myth and the introduction of government-run health insurance in the U.S. will do nothing to reduce personal bankruptcies, concludes a new study from the Fraser Institute, an independent think tank. Link Want more? Edited July 15, 2009 by napfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) #1 cause of credit issues that I see on TRW reports daily...MEDICAL collections....oh, and the seemingly obligatory 30 day late Sears issue.... Edited July 15, 2009 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The Fraser Institute thinks like you, so I'm not surprised to see something like that from them. Again, the system isn't perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 And here's one of my favorites: Ont. physician turns away patient for being 55+ Link Yes, and that would never happen in the US, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The Fraser Institute thinks like you, so I'm not surprised to see something like that from them. Again, the system isn't perfect. Well, isn't that convenient.......so you only believe people who think like you...that should get you far in life...good luck.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Well, isn't that convenient.......so you only believe people who think like you...that should get you far in life...good luck.... Pot...say hello to kettle.........practice what you preach nap..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Here's one for you that's less than 2 months old.......enjoy! CANADIAN HEALTH CARE EARNS DISMAL FINISH IN INTERNATIONAL RANKING Canada's health care system ranks 23rd among 32 nations surveyed for quality, access and innovation. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Here's one for you that's less than 2 months old.......enjoy! Link no mention of America so how can one compare...aside from the "better" countries populations I guess.....or LACK of....may have a little to do with the results although i'm speculating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Here's one for you that's less than 2 months old.......enjoy! Link And where did the US rank? Edited July 16, 2009 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well, isn't that convenient.......so you only believe people who think like you No, but I have a fundamental problem with this organization because they are completely partisan and ideological. There are valid criticisms from other sources, and I accept those far more than ANYTHING from the Fraser Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 You know I'm not sure what it is you're trying to convince me of. The articles make it sound like I live in the USSR, and I don't, and I already know that. Most Canadians are quite happy with things the way that they are, and we don't want to change it. We want steady improvements (and those have been coming in one form or another) and we want to keep our system. It's America that is having an argument over healthcare, and what's being proposed in the US has nothing to do with out system anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 You know I'm not sure what it is you're trying to convince me of. The articles make it sound like I live in the USSR, and I don't, and I already know that. Most Canadians are quite happy with things the way that they are, and we don't want to change it. We want steady improvements (and those have been coming in one form or another) and we want to keep our system. It's America that is having an argument over healthcare, and what's being proposed in the US has nothing to do with out system anyway. Convince you something.....that's a laugh......and I think I provided you a link that said most Canadians are not in fact satisfied with your healthcare system......but of course since you are suffering from denial, I don't expect you to believe anything I post..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Canadians vote for parties that support the system and nothing but. Canadians complain about the system, but they still support it completely. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you rely on fake news sites to prove your point. I have very little to learn from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) For example, here's a poll from 2003, (a bit dated, but our system was worse in 2003 than now by far) from Gallup that shows how people feel. http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare...ain-canada.aspx Edited July 16, 2009 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 And here's one from a few days ago: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTV...=TorontoNewHome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 There's also this little gem: http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/Majority...-This-Year.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 CBO Sees No Net Federal Cost Savings in Dem Health Plans;Link Conrad: Dr. Elmendorf, I am going to really put you on the spot because we are in the middle of this health care debate, but it is critically important that we get this right. Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve? Elmendorf: No, Mr. Chairman. In the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 All these examples of "Canadian Health Care Horror Stories" are pathetic. Yes, there are thousands of these stories created by our flawed health care system and I think some changes are needed. However, there are over 30 Million of these stories created by the US Health Care "system". The patients in those stories have wait times of NEVER. I have an example of a Canadian Health Care Horror Story for everybody. Some guy who is from my home town was diagnosed with cancer. Our lousy Canadian Health Care doctors said that there was no more treatment that they could do for him. The guy's family made a big fuss about how terrible our health care system was because the doctors refused to do anymore treatments. Well, they found some doctor in the States that would be happy to treat him, for a nice fee. There was a big fund raiser campaign in town to raise the money, and they did raise it. So off they went to the States where the doctor took that money, promptly treated the guy, and shortly there after he died of, wait for it, his incurable cancer. But there is a moral to this story, and it is: Sometimes you have to suck it up and face reality. And no, I didn't give a dime to the fund raiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 All these examples of "Canadian Health Care Horror Stories" are pathetic. Yes, there are thousands of these stories created by our flawed health care system and I think some changes are needed. However, there are over 30 Million of these stories created by the US Health Care "system". The patients in those stories have wait times of NEVER. I have an example of a Canadian Health Care Horror Story for everybody. Some guy who is from my home town was diagnosed with cancer. Our lousy Canadian Health Care doctors said that there was no more treatment that they could do for him. The guy's family made a big fuss about how terrible our health care system was because the doctors refused to do anymore treatments. Well, they found some doctor in the States that would be happy to treat him, for a nice fee. There was a big fund raiser campaign in town to raise the money, and they did raise it. So off they went to the States where the doctor took that money, promptly treated the guy, and shortly there after he died of, wait for it, his incurable cancer. But there is a moral to this story, and it is: Sometimes you have to suck it up and face reality. And no, I didn't give a dime to the fund raiser. sad story...but i can guarantee similar stories for just about EVERY country in the world....EVERY healthcare systems has strengths and weakness's....question is which is best...and the argument will continue..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Universal healthcare we can LIVE without: Canadian health care: a personal story of tragedyby Bob Weeks on July 15, 2009 "I’ll attend in memory of my Cousin Leita, who passed away last Thursday at the age of 29 having been neglected and ignored by the “FREE” Health Care in Canada. They say it’s FREE; it only costs you YOUR LIFE! "........ My cousin told me it was so wonderful they did the biopsy at the hospital because if her daughter had not been admitted she would have had to go on the waiting list for a biopsy — a three month wait. It turned out, due to the Canadian government’s restrictions on hiring specialists, the nearest Oncologist was a two and one-half hour drive away. This would require a transfer to the other medical facility. p.s. If you let government take over your health care there will soon be one growth industry remaining in America: funerals. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Universal healthcare we can LIVE without: Link gee, and nothing like that ever happens here does it....especially when one cant AFFORD treatment........hmmmm Edited July 17, 2009 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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