UAW Looking To Sell Black Lake

[lquidspine]

I from the depths of the sea but I dwell in Michigan..Not sure if im a Michigander or Michiganian thou.

When criticizing someones education it would be best to use words for their intended meaning, so you do not confuse who is the one with the education.

 

thou dictionary definition of thou

thou

1  /ðaʊ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [thou] Show IPA ,pronoun, singular, nominative thou; possessive thy or thine; objective thee; plural, nominative you or ye; possessive your or yours; objective you or ye; verb

 

 

compared to though dictionary definition of though

–conjunction

1. (used in introducing a subordinate clause, which is often marked by ellipsis) notwithstanding that; in spite of the fact that; although: Though he tried very hard, he failed the course.

 

I will add

I knew you wasnt good at math. Another sign the education system is failing us here in the states..

 

 

No sir that was the sign we where looking for, I even made it bold it for you

Edited January 18, 2010 by lquidspine

[FiredMotorCompany]

When criticizing someones education it would be best to use words for their intended meaning, so you do not confuse who is the one with the education.

 

thou dictionary definition of thou

 

 

compared to though dictionary definition of though

 

I will add

 

 

No sir that was the sign we where looking for, I even made it bold it for you

 

Die's spelling and grammar betray the reason his math does not ADD up.

 

 

I could forgive the spelling and grammar errors as the result of emotion overpowering intellect and the passion of the moment clouding the patience of rational thought.

 

But, I have not been convinced by his math skills, skills regarded by the world of academia as the purest of rational thought.

Edited January 18, 2010 by FiredMotorCompany

[sammy12]

obama said first he was going to create 3million jobs then it went to 1.5 milllion and then he said i will create or SAVE 1 million jobs WOW, what a president....

 

 

OBAMA IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT THAT SPENT MORE ON VACATION IN 3 MONTHS THEN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT DID IN THE 4 YEARS THEY WERE IN OFFICE!!!!!!!!!

[CourtJester]

What gives the UAW leadership the right that belongs to ALL UAW members? Did we vote on this? Who gets the profit from the sale? Is this going to be split between all members?

 

I'm all for selling Black Lake, but let's keep it fair. Where does the money go? Which one of our leaders pockets these profits?

[TBodette68]

What gives the UAW leadership the right that belongs to ALL UAW members? Did we vote on this? Who gets the profit from the sale? Is this going to be split between all members?

 

I'm all for selling Black Lake, but let's keep it fair. Where does the money go? Which one of our leaders pockets these profits?

 

 

The proceeds for the sale of this property will probably be used by our IUAW leadership to promote more Democrat politicians during the next elections coming this fall.

[CourtJester]

The proceeds for the sale of this property will probably be used by our IUAW leadership to promote more Democrat politicians during the next elections coming this fall.

 

I hope the funds are used to pay for displaced workers! As a democrat (socialist actually) I have a problem with our leadership supporting one candidate over another in the democratic party- without input from the membership. I don't like having a flyer tossed at me that outlines who I am supposed to vote for.

[1993Stang]

The proceeds for the sale of this property will probably be used by our IUAW leadership to promote more Democrat politicians during the next elections coming this fall.

 

All the profits from the sale should be used to retro compensation to all the U.A.W. employees who were suckered into signing that completely bogus modification contract back in 2007. Should we take a poll on that? Or just a simple All in Favor say" I ", those opposed?" the I's have it!! Maybe we should use the profit to throw out all those reps that were in favor of it in the first place!

[TBodette68]

I hope the funds are used to pay for displaced workers! As a democrat (socialist actually) I have a problem with our leadership supporting one candidate over another in the democratic party- without input from the membership. I don't like having a flyer tossed at me that outlines who I am supposed to vote for.

 

I almost agree with you. We really need to go 1 step further and quit supporting any politicians period.

[TBodette68]

All the profits from the sale should be used to retro compensation to all the U.A.W. employees who were suckered into signing that completely bogus modification contract back in 2007. Should we take a poll on that? Or just a simple All in Favor say" I ", those opposed?" the I's have it!! Maybe we should use the profit to throw out all those reps that were in favor of it in the first place!

 

 

AYE

[Vulcan]

I almost agree with you. We really need to go 1 step further and quit supporting any politicians period.

 

 

The best suggestion I have heard here looking at the track record of who they supported in the past. Drop the PC green save the planet party line bull and get back to the business of building cars and negotiating for those who actually build them. Throwing Obama out of office is a good start!

I have been to Black Lake and short of the stupid Zodiak walk or what ever it is the campground and facilities are a great place to take your kids for a weekend.

Edited January 23, 2010 by Vulcan

[TBodette68]

The best suggestion I have heard here looking at the track record of who they supported in the past. Drop the PC green save the planet party line bull and get back to the business of building cars and negotiating for those who actually build them. Throwing Obama out of office is a good start!

I have been to Black Lake and short of the stupid Zodiak walk or what ever it is the campground and facilities are a great place to take your kids for a weekend.

I am a long time employee and have never been there. Should probably try to go this year before they sell it.

[Captain UAW]

OBAMA IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT THAT SPENT MORE ON VACATION IN 3 MONTHS THEN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT DID IN THE 4 YEARS THEY WERE IN OFFICE!!!!!!!!!

You Sir are an IDIOT!! You dumb ass Republican!

[FANTASTICFORD]

You Sir are an IDIOT!! You dumb ass Republican!

 

I thought this post was about selling Black Lake. Well, I guess the Obama haters can't help themselves!

[lquidspine]

I would suggest using the profits from the eventual sale of Black Lake to actually serve the UAW members, specifically the retirees.

 

Use whatever is made from the sale to help ensure the VEBA remains viable, possibly enough to restore GM and Chrysler retirees dental and vision for starters. Or even give them an option a reduction in co-pays or reinstatement of dental and or vision that way even other UAW retirees not associated with the autos would benefit from the sale of the property.

[Captain723]

I would suggest using the profits from the eventual sale of Black Lake to actually serve the UAW members, specifically the retirees.

 

Use whatever is made from the sale to help ensure the VEBA remains viable, possibly enough to restore GM and Chrysler retirees dental and vision for starters. Or even give them an option a reduction in co-pays or reinstatement of dental and or vision that way even other UAW retirees not associated with the autos would benefit from the sale of the property.

Not going to happen, but I will tell you what will happen.....if GM and Chrysler do make it through this bankruptcy, the UAW will be asking for additional money to help fund it. The Ford Veba will be fine, it will have some challenges, but way better off thean the other 2. Ford also cashed the Veba out instead of stock option, but the UAW did secure warrants for the stock at $2 which can be sold at anytime...so I do not think our retirees will be losing dental and vision. As long as there is no dip in the market we should be fine!

[lquidspine]

Not going to happen, but I will tell you what will happen.....if GM and Chrysler do make it through this bankruptcy, the UAW will be asking for additional money to help fund it. The Ford Veba will be fine, it will have some challenges, but way better off thean the other 2. Ford also cashed the Veba out instead of stock option, but the UAW did secure warrants for the stock at $2 which can be sold at anytime...so I do not think our retirees will be losing dental and vision. As long as there is no dip in the market we should be fine!

Well I was not specifically referring to the health of the Ford VEBA, I was giving an option on where I feel the money that is made from the sale of Black Lake should go.

 

It is after all our facility regardless of how many members are actually allowed to go there. This option while may not benefit the current active workforce it will however give a little extra to those that have lost the most in the decade of giving back. So why not give back to those that got the active workers what we have today ?

 

It is the arrogance of your first sentence that has the rank and file members distrusting our representatives at any level and especially at the highest level at the International. Regardless what many believed before October (our voice does not count), I believe rank and file members showed loud and clear in the end we are the union and have the final say.

 

If say a motion is made and passed regarding the use of the money from the sale of Black Lake I sure as hell would expect that the members should have some say in how that money is spent. What else would you recommend that money be used for that will serve the membership it was designed to enrich ?

 

I can right now only imagine what a share of 33 million would do to help each of the big 3's VEBA accounts, I understand that the UAW has more members than just in the big 3 but just a portion to each of these funds would help tremendously. I am sure Gm and Chrysler retirees that lost their dental and vision last year would not mind a chance at gaining back those benefits. I am sure Ford retirees would not mind a chance at lowering their co-pays.

 

It just makes sense to me lets for a change give something back to our retirees instead of always taking from them while they no longer have a voice, remember someday we all want to be able to retire and enjoy what all the years of hard work was suppose to be get us.

[Captain723]

Well I was not specifically referring to the health of the Ford VEBA, I was giving an option on where I feel the money that is made from the sale of Black Lake should go.

 

It is after all our facility regardless of how many members are actually allowed to go there. This option while may not benefit the current active workforce it will however give a little extra to those that have lost the most in the decade of giving back. So why not give back to those that got the active workers what we have today ?

 

It is the arrogance of your first sentence that has the rank and file members distrusting our representatives at any level and especially at the highest level at the International. Regardless what many believed before October (our voice does not count), I believe rank and file members showed loud and clear in the end we are the union and have the final say.

 

If say a motion is made and passed regarding the use of the money from the sale of Black Lake I sure as hell would expect that the members should have some say in how that money is spent. What else would you recommend that money be used for that will serve the membership it was designed to enrich ?

 

I can right now only imagine what a share of 33 million would do to help each of the big 3's VEBA accounts, I understand that the UAW has more members than just in the big 3 but just a portion to each of these funds would help tremendously. I am sure Gm and Chrysler retirees that lost their dental and vision last year would not mind a chance at gaining back those benefits. I am sure Ford retirees would not mind a chance at lowering their co-pays.

 

It just makes sense to me lets for a change give something back to our retirees instead of always taking from them while they no longer have a voice, remember someday we all want to be able to retire and enjoy what all the years of hard work was suppose to be get us.

You know what is great about this site, dumbasses can come on her and talk about shit they know nothing about!

My first statement says if the companys are doing better the UAW can go after addition money for the VEBA, what is arrogant about that?

If it is sold it will go into the general fund, the UAW did not fund the retiree VEBA and they are not going too. The members did not work for the UAW they worked for the company, represented by the UAW. So there will be no motion to fund any VEBA, the UAW is more than just the big 3 dumbass! I thought you were smarter than that liquid, my bad!

[lquidspine]

You know what is great about this site, dumbasses can come on her and talk about shit they know nothing about!

My first statement says if the companys are doing better the UAW can go after addition money for the VEBA, what is arrogant about that?

If it is sold it will go into the general fund, the UAW did not fund the retiree VEBA and they are not going too. The members did not work for the UAW they worked for the company, represented by the UAW. So there will be no motion to fund any VEBA, the UAW is more than just the big 3 dumbass! I thought you were smarter than that liquid, my bad!

Well Captain for starters your first sentence that I said was arrogance was this

Not going to happen, but I will tell you what will happen

I can take the insults from you bro I am thick skinned.

 

The arrogance comes from exactly what i just quoted you typing. So your going to tell me how thousands of workers feel ?

Did you learn nothing from the Octomods?

That was historic for Christ sake , never before has a national tentative agreement not been ratified by rank and file members.

 

I was pretty sure the rank and file (yes we are the union) made it clear we did not like the direction our leadership is taking us. It is time for those comfortable with their positions(at all levels) to re-evaluate their stance on certain issues. it is time for those same leaders to listen to what the members want and figure out some middle ground we can all live with. That is what leaders do Captain.

 

I understand who the fuck does the initial funding for the VEBA's but I also understand we are suppose to be our brothers keeper. If we have the means to enrich the fund that these retirees so fucking deserve then why should we not do everything we can to do that ?

 

I also understand and said so in my previous post if only a portion of the sale of Blake Lake money goes into each fund that is at least more then they are contractually going to get from the companies. Our monthly dues where used to buy that place. our monthly dues have been used to keep it up even while it bleeds red ink. so why the fuck shouldn't the members past or present be the ones to get use of that money?

 

 

Fact is if the UAW goes after more money for VEBA at GM and Chrysler they are subject to an arbitrator since that would be seen as an improvement in wages/benefits, you think that will benefit the workers and retirees at GM and Chrysler ?

 

 

Do you think I give a shit about a general fund ?

Answer; I do not

As a UAW member and activist I care about ensuring that since we have taken the stance as a provider to ensure benefits we let the companies renege on, that we provide the best possible care for those that got us what we have today.

 

Some may only care about themselves but that is not me, If you choose to label me as a dumb ass for that then so be it. Like I have already said here and on other posts what we protect today we will get to enjoy when we want to retire.

Edited February 3, 2010 by lquidspine

[Captain723]

Well Captain for starters your first sentence that I said was arrogance was this

I can take the insults from you bro I am thick skinned.

 

The arrogance comes from exactly what i just quoted you typing. So your going to tell me how thousands of workers feel ?

Did you learn nothing from the Octomods?

That was historic for Christ sake , never before has a national tentative agreement not been ratified by rank and file members.

 

I was pretty sure the rank and file (yes we are the union) made it clear we did not like the direction our leadership is taking us. It is time for those comfortable with their positions(at all levels) to re-evaluate their stance on certain issues. it is time for those same leaders to listen to what the members want and figure out some middle ground we can all live with. That is what leaders do Captain.

 

I understand who the fuck does the initial funding for the VEBA's but I also understand we are suppose to be our brothers keeper. If we have the means to enrich the fund that these retirees so fucking deserve then why should we not do everything we can to do that ?

 

I also understand and said so in my previous post if only a portion of the sale of Blake Lake money goes into each fund that is at least more then they are contractually going to get from the companies. Our monthly dues where used to buy that place. our monthly dues have been used to keep it up even while it bleeds red ink. so why the fuck shouldn't the members past or present be the ones to get use of that money?

 

 

Fact is if the UAW goes after more money for VEBA at GM and Chrysler they are subject to an arbitrator since that would be seen as an improvement in wages/benefits, you think that will benefit the workers and retirees at GM and Chrysler ?

 

 

Do you think I give a shit about a general fund ?

Answer; I do not

As a UAW member and activist I care about ensuring that since we have taken the stance as a provider to ensure benefits we let the companies renege on, that we provide the best possible care for those that got us what we have today.

 

Some may only care about themselves but that is not me, If you choose to label me as a dumb ass for that then so be it. Like I have already said here and on other posts what we protect today we will get to enjoy when we want to retire.

wow, you take that as arrogant? GM, Chrysler will eventually get theirs!!

As far as VEBA and General fund goes, the uaw isn't selling its assets because they like too, they are selling it because of a decline in membership and cost structure that can not afford to keep it running. So this is not extra money the UAW is going to have laying around! Open your fucking eyes, you seem some what level headed, they are not selling because they want too, they are selling it because they have too! Our retirees, my father and mother do deserve more, but more is not going to be paid by the UAW, they did notretire from the UAW and the we the workers are not going to pay for the obligation of the company paid retirement or health care!

I am aslo pretty sure that a national Agreement has been voted down, and it was only a small portion of a national agreement that was being modified.

[jerrymaker]

You Sir are an IDIOT!! You dumb ass Republican!

 

 

Wow! I hope you are not in charge of anything. One thing he forgot is that obama golfed more than Bush while our troops were at war. But obama is not really in charge that would be reid and pelosi.

[rn4]

Wow! I hope you are not in charge of anything. One thing he forgot is that obama golfed more than Bush while our troops were at war. But obama is not really in charge that would be reid and pelosi.

 

 

And you know this as fact. You better go back and look at all the vacation Bush took in Texas.

[jerrymaker]

And you know this as fact. You better go back and look at all the vacation Bush took in Texas.

 

 

We are all on the same side. Washington, dem or rep are not on our side. wake up.

[the new eye]

Why would Obama buy it.. Maybe you should buy it with the money that you make from the job Obama saved for you. You ungrateful smuck. who needs black lake anyhow. Its a money pit and its time to dump it..Just a place for lazy workers to try to go to get out of working. Get rid of it!!!

You know they do teach their also , of coarse sell what do we need a school for ??? keep your salary comments to yourself a#@hole!! This is the wrong time to sell Black Lake