ilovemoney Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dark. I originally responded to "Fordwife" who started this topic because she was scared by an article in the Detroit News and had questions about what is going on. I had hoped to provide her with some information and perhaps a bit of optimism since I can still recall when I had 6 years with the company and how my beloved Ford Wife would also have been worried had the company been in the same financial situation then as it is today. While I can appreciate the fact that you may no longer have any faith in the company and think it is wrong to be optimistic, I'm puzzled by your comment "Go to Iraq." What has that got to do with what is happening at Ford and the questions raised by "Fordwife"? I would appreciate it if you would enlighten me with a clarification of what you mean. Thanks. Wish he knew how, he can only use "Bush,war,Iraq, and various profanities to explain his point of view!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) Dark. I originally responded to "Fordwife" who started this topic because she was scared by an article in the Detroit News and had questions about what is going on. I had hoped to provide her with some information and perhaps a bit of optimism since I can still recall when I had 6 years with the company and how my beloved Ford Wife would also have been worried had the company been in the same financial situation then as it is today. While I can appreciate the fact that you may no longer have any faith in the company and think it is wrong to be optimistic, I'm puzzled by your comment "Go to Iraq." What has that got to do with what is happening at Ford and the questions raised by "Fordwife"? I would appreciate it if you would enlighten me with a clarification of what you mean. Thanks. while i did NOT say 'i think it is wrong to be optimistic' ! where did you get that??? i know that FORD got us where we are today!..and you got faith in that ?? anyhow i dont..but bring in a whole new crew...than we can talk.... as far as IRAQ if bush and co. have they're ways ,then if you want to earn a decent wage you will have to go to iraq and fight the ten year war! hope you are enlightened! Wish he knew how, he can only use "Bush,war,Iraq, and various profanities to explain his point of view!!! speaking of which, you only post once a month so who gives a fuck ? Edited June 11, 2006 by dark270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTPwife Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 FordWife, hang in there honey, I'm right there with you with the worry. I'm scared too, we're living with hope for the best but be prepared for the worse. Ford is'nt going anywhere but it's bound to be smaller. All we can do is pray that we get lucky & our husbands jobs are spared but also start thinking about a plan of action if the worse case scenario happens. I'll be praying for your family, keep strong & try to stay calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 FordWife, hang in there honey, I'm right there with you with the worry. I'm scared too, we're living with hope for the best but be prepared for the worse. Ford is'nt going anywhere but it's bound to be smaller. All we can do is pray that we get lucky & our husbands jobs are spared but also start thinking about a plan of action if the worse case scenario happens. I'll be praying for your family, keep strong & try to stay calm. I remember that the doomsayers were out in force in the early seventies. Ford will end up with fewer plants, but with flexible manufacturing, they will still be capable of producing record volumes. I believe that what they are doing is taking advantage of the high number of retirements in order to become more efficient. Hopefully, enough will retire, or take buy-outs, so that no one will still be on lay-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordwife Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 I remember that the doomsayers were out in force in the early seventies. Ford will end up with fewer plants, but with flexible manufacturing, they will still be capable of producing record volumes. I believe that what they are doing is taking advantage of the high number of retirements in order to become more efficient. Hopefully, enough will retire, or take buy-outs, so that no one will still be on lay-off. I sure hope you are right. If enough people retire or take the buyouts, than those of us that are raising families can keep the job that we want. Thanks to everyone who posted especially those that have faith in the company. Patty (Fordwife) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSMJ Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 that's your first problem...'faith in ford' LOL i think you are wrong go to iraq! Ford has count em 30 billion $$$$$$$ in the bank. Ford owns alot of property and machinary, check out their retirement fund $$ GM has 91 billion Ford has alot also dont know how much. Ford cut jobs in the 80's and had record profits in the late 80's. they cut jobs in 90's and had record profits from 94-99. They will do it again take this to the bank GUARANTEED JUST FACTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaumpers Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I sure hope you are right. If enough people retire or take the buyouts, than those of us that are raising families can keep the job that we want. Thanks to everyone who posted especially those that have faith in the company. Patty (Fordwife) Hey Patty, you tell them. You know I need my job and we know everyone is working for the paycheck. No one is working because they love to work there. We will survive and if not.....well then we just move on and hold our heads up high and go SHIT :bandance: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoomerjrt Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Ford has count em 30 billion $$$$$$$ in the bank. Ford owns alot of property and machinary, check out their retirement fund $$ GM has 91 billion Ford has alot also dont know how much. Ford cut jobs in the 80's and had record profits in the late 80's. they cut jobs in 90's and had record profits from 94-99. They will do it again take this to the bank GUARANTEED JUST FACTS FYI last time I checked out how much was in the Ford bank which was about a week ago they where down to about 23B. Ford stock was just downgraded AGAIN because out flow of cash is large then what is coming in and there is only updated products coming and one new product the Edge, which looks like an egg, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Ford has count em 30 billion $$$$$$$ in the bank. Ford owns alot of property and machinary, check out their retirement fund $$ GM has 91 billion Ford has alot also dont know how much. Ford cut jobs in the 80's and had record profits in the late 80's. they cut jobs in 90's and had record profits from 94-99. They will do it again take this to the bank GUARANTEED JUST FACTS HEY keep puttin that head in the sand...one day it will get cut off while you down there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPITYDAFOOL VIRUSFREE Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 HEY keep puttin that head in the sand...one day it will get cut off while you down there! It will come out in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 (edited) It will come out in China. I don't believe this. You all are worried that you may lose your cushy jobs at Ford. One hundred years ago, there was no such thing as a "job". In this country, there is unlimited opportunity. The union has gotten you brainwashed to the extent that you believe that you cannot survive without them. When I moved to Ontario, I did not even know what a union was. Believe me, you will find a way to survive. If you look to the government for help, then you will spend the rest of your life in poverty, and like certain New Orleans welfare recipients, be incapable of dealing with any misfortune. What kind of a role model is that for your children? You might as well become a complete loser and get a job working for the government. Edited June 13, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 (edited) I don't believe this. You all are worried that you may lose your cushy jobs at Ford. One hundred years ago, there was no such thing as a "job". In this country, there is unlimited opportunity. The union has gotten you brainwashed to the extent that you believe that you cannot survive without them. When I moved to Ontario, I did not even know what a union was. Believe me, you will find a way to survive. If you look to the government for help, then you will spend the rest of your life in poverty, and like certain New Orleans welfare recipients, be incapable of dealing with any misfortune. What kind of a role model is that for your children? You might as well become a complete loser and get a job working for the government. you are the one truly brainwashed. i consider it an honor to be in a union.... and NO your stupid brother GWB is trying to eliminate the middle class...and when enough people find out...he will go down in history as the 'fool' Edited June 13, 2006 by dark270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 (edited) you are the one truly brainwashed. i consider it an honor to be in a union....and NO your stupid brother GWB is trying to eliminate the middle class...and when enough people find out...he will go down in history as the 'fool' What did you ever do in order to attain the "honor" of belonging to a union, aside from getting your primary school educated gay lover to fill out your application form, and supply a drug-free piss sample for you? Edited June 13, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 What did you ever do in order to attain the "honor" of belonging to a union, aside from getting your primary school educated gay lover to fill out your application form, and supply a drug-free piss sample for you? there you go again...cleary a violation....keep it up ASSHOLE! you are the one that is full of gay thoughts...why else would you bring it up EVERY POST? get alife.... or better yet go killyourself in IRAQ....for us americans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 there you go again...cleary a violation....keep it up ASSHOLE!you are the one that is full of gay thoughts...why else would you bring it up EVERY POST? get alife.... or better yet go killyourself in IRAQ....for us americans! You are not an American. You are an anti-American. The only reason that I talk a lot about gays is because I see a common thread between gays and anti-Americans. If I can convince you to start having sex with the opposite sex of your own species, then maybe you will also start to support your own country. Believe me, your fantasies of what may take place between you and a terrorist under his robe could blow up in your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 You are not an American. You are an anti-American. The only reason that I talk a lot about gays is because I see a common thread between gays and anti-Americans. If I can convince you to start having sex with the opposite sex of your own species, then maybe you will also start to support your own country. Believe me, your fantasies of what may take place between you and a terrorist under his robe could blow up in your face. Wow. Gay = Anti American. Please tell me you are joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegirl Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Fordwife. For what it's worth, my wife and I also share your concern about what is happening. Unfortunately, as a retiree, there's nothing I can do about the situation so I have to sit back and watch as events play themselves out. At the same time, I'm a heck of a lot more optimistic about Ford's future than many of those who continually post doom and gloom on this board. I guess I had better be optimistic cause if Ford goes under, everyone will be in financial trouble and many retirees such as myself are just too old to start over somewhere else. Also, for what it's worth, there's one major move that GM made that has generated so much favorable press from the media - especially the financial reporters. GM sold controlling interest in GMAC to a group of investors including CitiGroup while Ford has held out against offers to buy Ford Motor Credit. Make no mistake about it, the financial world would love nothing more than to own the cash cow that Ford Credit has proven to be in the past. What you don't see heavily reported by any media is that some of the same financial institutions that are criticising Ford's progress or lack of have recently been investing in the automotive suppliers who supply both Ford and GM. It begs the question, if Ford is in such dire straights, who is going to be buying the parts being made by the same companies these financial experts are investing in? Another point to consider is that despite the preponderance of negative comments about Ford management you read on this forum, anyone with any knowledge of the automotive business understands that you cannot bring new vehicles online in a few months and that is all the time the new management structure has been making the decisions. Unfortunately, the first decisions made by this group of managers have created a world of hurt for everyone who has already lost or will lose their job or be forced to relocate as headcount is reduced further. Years ago, I was personally involved in a facility closing and it wasn't any picnic especially since I knew we were "probably" going to close for more than a year before the final decision was made and announced as to when that would be and what my future employment options would be. Lastly, I think you will find out more about Ford's progress with the Way Forward once management knows the actual number of people who have signed up for a package. Initially, buyouts have been used to open slots in plants that will remain open so they can be filled by employees from Gen and plants slated to close - both assembly and parts. I have no doubt that there will be additional buyouts offered to others until the final headcount reduction goal is reached. Bottom line. While I am optimistic that the Way Forward will be successful based upon Mark Field's proven track record at Mazda, only time will tell for sure. Until future sales results are in and the next contract is written, all anyone can do is speculate either positively or negatively. So far, the naysayers seem to dominate this board. I would like to think that the slots are kept open for those of us who are layed off from a plant that is closing but what I have been hearing is that AAI has 190 slots but have put a hold on them, and wanting to fill them with temps...........Where does that leave us.......... :shrug: "Or" is an excellent question that Field answered when he first took command. "Change of Die" is more than a slogan - It's a fact of life for everyone in the companyand associated with it. The Ford Management Culture Must Change Manager Attitudes Must Change Hourly and Salaried Employee Attitudes Must Change Product Designs Must Change Product Engineering Must Change The Bean Counters Must Change Dealer Service Must Change Ford Marketing Must Change Dealer Attitudes Must Change Supplier Quality Must Change The "Us vs Them" Relationship Between Ford and The UAW Must Change The Continued Employment of Known Deadbeats - hourly and salary - Must Change If these changes do not come about, Ford will not survive long enough for anyone to launch "The Way Forward II." :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) Wow. Gay = Anti American. Please tell me you are joking. I was joking. Was it not funny? Edited June 14, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordwife Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hi Everyone, Looks like this post has went WAY off track. Can we please stick to the original topic or have this whole post deleted. Please be kind to each other!!!! Thank You, Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compressedST0NE Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Bluegirl ...the openings @ AAI are ONLY because of absences. IF more workers transferred, OUR relatives with low seniority would lose their jobs. We are WAY over-roll now. Our low seniority workers fought for years, working as f/t temps, to get hired. THEY come to work, and shouldn't be punished with a lay-off. Temps that were laid off last year, were brought back to work to cover for awol's. Again....openings are only because of workers not coming to work. I've heard #'s ranging from 400 to 850, that we are over roll by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 You are not an American. You are an anti-American. The only reason that I talk a lot about gays is because I see a common thread between gays and anti-Americans. If I can convince you to start having sex with the opposite sex of your own species, then maybe you will also start to support your own country. Believe me, your fantasies of what may take place between you and a terrorist under his robe could blow up in your face. listen to this..a canadien telling me i'm not an american...what a fucking OXY-MORON!!! hello?? trimdingaling.....you flight to hiditha is ready! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPITYDAFOOL VIRUSFREE Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 listen to this..a canadien telling me i'm not an american...what a fucking OXY-MORON!!! hello?? trimdingaling.....you flight to hiditha is ready! R u shore ur uzn yur etap mony. CANADIAN BTW get back to yur BUSH and leave the forums for Ford workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 R u shore ur uzn yur etap mony. CANADIAN BTW get back to yur BUSH and leave the forums for Ford workers. ??? translate ?? anyone here know islam ? etap ?? doesn't that mean i get a degree ?? that you called WORTHLESS SHIT ??? so now your changing your mind ?? worthless fuck you are!!! :titanic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPITYDAFOOL VIRUSFREE Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 ??? translate ?? anyone here know islam ? etap ?? doesn't that mean i get a degree ?? that you called WORTHLESS SHIT ??? so now your changing your mind ?? worthless fuck you are!!! :titanic: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :shrug: :blah: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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