2013 Mondeo or Fusion

[MKII]

That might be what they call them, but they are anything but the same size. Just plain silly.

 

what jelly is not saying is that the BMW3 A4 and MB , D segment cars are classed as upper D or premium segment.

It is a very nice compliment that jelly is throwing the Mondeo in that segment

[twintornados]

 

This coming from a dude who has 2,620 posts in SEVEN months.

I refer you to the listing on my avatar...seems there was a problem when the site was upgraded and the administrators had to reset my screen name, been "here" since 2005, but far be it for you to pay attention to what it says anywhere other than the Metro Detroit news office...aka the basement at your parents house where you still live....now for a translation you can understand...

 

blah blah blah blah Metro Detroit blah blah blah blah blah

 

Have a good day there "Stu"

Edited September 18, 2010 by twintornados

[jason202]

Like they did with the Fiesta, I hope they keep the European styling intact and don't "Americanize" it too much. They've got a good thing going in Europe.

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Ford segment-leading in the UK with Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo and Galaxy year-to-date :happy feet:

 

FOE Mondeo 4,400 sales v US Fusion 17,000 sales in August.

 

Fusion gets the two thumbs up from me

 

UK Top 10 Best Selling Vehicles August 2010.

1. Ford Fiesta 2,660

2. Ford Focus 1,926

3. GM Vauxhall Astra 1,906

4. GM Vauxhall Corsa 1,629

5. BMW 3 Series 1,600 (Euro D Segement Large Car MONDEO CLASS)

6. VW Golf 1,511

7. Nissan Qashqai 1,456

8. GM Vauxhall Insignia 1,193 (Euro D Segement Large Car MONDEO CLASS)

9. VW Polo 1,193

10. Audi A3 1,037

Where is the shitty Mondeo Mk II? The UK has always been the biggest buyer of Mondeo's in the world.

Mondeo is nowhere near being a segment leader YTD in the UK or Europe the Fiesta & Galaxy are according to Fords numbers. Coming from the UK and having seen Ford's Cortina sell between 33,000 to 55,000 cars every August here, l only see the shitty Mondeo as an absolute sales failure it could not manage even 1,000 sales this August which is an absolute disgrace for Ford UK.

Ford's Cortina/Taunus & Escort were Europes No1 best selling car all brands all makes for most of their lifes year after year not just a No4 in its segment like the Mundane is today. The shitty Mondeo can't even make it into the UK's top 10 this year the Cortina spent nearly every year of its life at the No1 spot in the UK, the Mondeo has never ever been No1 in the UK.

Ford of Europe cars YTD position in their segment (European Market Share).

1. Fiat Panda 16.4%

2. Fiat 500 11.6%

4. Ford KA 6.9%

1. Ford Fiesta 12.6%

2. Renault Clio 10.2%

3. VW Polo 10.1%

1. Citroen C3 17.3%

2. GM Merviva 17.%

6. Ford Fusion 8.3%

1. VW Golf 21.3%

2. GM Astra 12.9%

3. Ford Focus 11.5%

1. Nissan Quasqai 27.9%

2. VW Tiguan 13.6%

3. Ford Kuga 10.2%

1. Renault Scenic 19.1%

2. Citroen C4 12.7%

8. Ford C Max 6.3%

1. Skoda Octavia 17.2%

2. VW Passat 16>5%

4. Ford Mondeo 9.5%

1. Ford Galaxy 27.6%

2. Renault Espace 19.7%

3. VW Sharan 10.9%

1. VW Transporter 12.8%

2. Ford Transit 12.6%

3. Fiat Ducato 9.7%

AMERICAN/EUROPEAN/BRITISH Car segment classifications.

LINK

Edited September 22, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds

[MKII]

Compact executive car is a mainly British car classification term applied to premium cars smaller than executive cars. In European classification, compact executive cars are part of the D-segment.

Compact executive cars include the Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Alfa 159, etc.

 

A large family car, also known as a D-segment car, is a European automobile classification which is larger than a small family car and smaller than an executive car.

 

In the United Kingdom for example, typical large family cars include:

Citroen C5

Ford Mondeo

Honda Accord

Mazda6

Renault Laguna

Renault Latitude

Peugeot 407

Mitsubishi Lancer

Fiat Croma

Kia Magentis

Chrysler Sebring

Škoda Superb

SEAT Exeo

Toyota Avensis

Subaru Legacy

Vauxhall/Opel Insignia You got this one right :happy feet:

Volkswagen Passat

Volkswagen Passat CC

 

EU family size D segment market share % looks very impressive with the Mondeo in 4th

 

1. Skoda Octavia 17.2%

2. VW Passat 16>5%

4. Ford Mondeo 9.5%

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Compact executive car is a mainly British car classification term applied to premium cars smaller than executive cars. In European classification, compact executive cars are part of the D-segment.

Compact executive cars include the Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Alfa 159, etc.

 

In the United Kingdom for example, typical large family cars include:

Citroen C5

Ford Mondeo

Honda Accord

Mazda6

Renault Laguna

Renault Latitude

Peugeot 407

Mitsubishi Lancer

Fiat Croma

Kia Magentis

Chrysler Sebring

Škoda Superb

SEAT Exeo

Toyota Avensis

Subaru Legacy

EU family size D segment market share % looks very impressive with the Mondeo in 4th

 

1. Skoda Octavia 17.2%

2. VW Passat 16>5%

4. Ford Mondeo 9.5%

 

SMMT have been collecting data on UK sales before you were born MKII, if you know better you had better go and tell them that they are doing it all wrong because MkII knows best. But then nobody would know what cars sales was in the UK if SMMT stopped collecting the data.

 

 

SMMT UPPER MEDIUM class total car sales for 2009 (How many of the total sales were diesel) How many of the total sales went to fleet/rental.

1. RWD BMW 3 Series 39,029 (23,666 were diesel) 21,530 of total sales went to Fleet/Rentals

2. GM Vauxhall Insignia 36,233 (25,196 were diesel) 28,545 of total sales went to Fleet/Rentals

3. Ford Mondeo 34,418 (31,453 were diesel) 28,975 of total sales went to Fleet/Rentals

4. Volkswagen Passat 25,825 (24,570 were diesel) 21,046 of total sales went to Fleet/Rentals

5. Audi A4 23,389 (19,642 were diesel)

 

Total sales in UPPER MEDIUM segment 283,552 (RWD Cortina UK sales as it faced the axe in 1979 were just over 200,000)

Diesel market share or UPPER MEDIUM segment : 75.1%.

LINK

 

Mondeo lets Ford down big time it sold under a 1,000 in the UK in August, the Cortina was selling between 33,000 to 55,000 every August during the late 70's. The Old Skool Cooltina was number 1 best seller in the UK nearly all its life the Mundaneo has never been No1 best seller in the UK. Cortina/Taunus was the No 1 best selling car nearly all its life in Europe, the Mundaneo has never made Europes top 10 best sellers.

 

 

Fords slow rot in UK market share.

Ford UK share of the British car market as the RWD Cortina went into retirement 32%

Ford UK share of the British car market August 2009 16%

Ford UK share of the British car market August 2010 13%

Great Britain is the biggest buyer of Fords outside of the USA, Ford have always been No1 best seller here but the market share is rotting away in a sad slow to watch decline, today l have to watch twats like MKII doing a happy feet at the Mundaneo being 4th best in its Euro segement if that is some sort of sick achievement, when l have watched the Cortina be No 1 best selling car in the UK & Europe for nearly all its life. The biggest loss of Ford market share that l have watch drop from 32% over the years down to just 13% in August has been very sad to watch happen over the years and you can lay the whole blame on just one car the MONDEO.

 

Fords Fusion gets the two thumbs up from me.

Edited October 5, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds

[BrewfanGRB]

UK Top 10 Best Selling Vehicles August 2010.

1. Ford Fiesta 2,660

2. Ford Focus 1,926

3. GM Vauxhall Astra 1,906

4. GM Vauxhall Corsa 1,629

5. BMW 3 Series 1,600 (Euro D Segement Large Car MONDEO CLASS)

6. VW Golf 1,511

7. Nissan Qashqai 1,456

8. GM Vauxhall Insignia 1,193

9. VW Polo 1,193

10. Audi A3 1,037

 

It still blows my mind the differences between the US and other countries. No matter how vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff or adjusted a new normal, can you imagine the best-selling vehicle in the US only selling 13,000 units a month? (Accounting for UK's total, approximate population of 63MM vs the US approximate population of 305MM).

 

Clearly, it's a geographic and cultural difference. Vast chunks of the UK population have no need or desire to own any car and far fewer households have multiple cars in the UK. But in the US, the only area that is really normal to be car-free is metro NY (yes, I'm generalizing)...but in other large cities, even with public transit, people still own cars. And, virtually every household is a multi-car household. Still, these numbers really strike me as how many vehicles really are sold in the US compared to the rest of the world. (ex-China)

[Ford Jellymoulds]

It still blows my mind the differences between the US and other countries. No matter how vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff or adjusted a new normal, can you imagine the best-selling vehicle in the US only selling 13,000 units a month? (Accounting for UK's total, approximate population of 63MM vs the US approximate population of 305MM).

 

Clearly, it's a geographic and cultural difference. Vast chunks of the UK population have no need or desire to own any car and far fewer households have multiple cars in the UK. But in the US, the only area that is really normal to be car-free is metro NY (yes, I'm generalizing)...but in other large cities, even with public transit, people still own cars. And, virtually every household is a multi-car household. Still, these numbers really strike me as how many vehicles really are sold in the US compared to the rest of the world. (ex-China)

 

 

August used always to be the best month of the year for UK car sales as our vehicle Alpha/numeric registration license plate used to end in an A-Z so if you brought a new car in August 1968 it ended in a F registration car, and if you brought a new car in August 1969 it was a G registration. So used car price guides used the registration plates to as a guide to value cars rather than the year it was made in. So this caused a massive drop off in car sales every July nobody brought cars (I always brought my new cars in July, because Ford always gave you the biggest discount of the year then as they sold next to no cars in July). Every August Ford used to get a massive glut of car orders with registration plate snobs wanting the latest Alpha plate, Ford used to sell between Cortina's 33,000-55,000 every August and Dagenham used to spend most of May-July building up inventory stocks of Cortina's for sale in August.

 

The UK went right through the alphabet A-Z twice adding the letters A-Z at the start and end of vehicle license registration number plate used all the letters up. They then decided to have two new dates instead of the one big glut of car sales in August, so the British Government scrapped August date and created March & September as the two new registration dates that the vehicle license number plate would change over so February & August become the slack poor sales months for Ford, and we get two mini booms in car sales in March & September now instead. This always has a knock on effect on FOE sales as the Fiesta normally becomes the best seller in Europe in March & September because of the UK mini booms in sales in these months.

 

September UK sales

1. Fiesta 19,078

4. Focus 10,100

9. Mondeo 6,075

 

It's great to see the Mondeo back in the UK top 10 charts for the first time this year, but our good ole Cortina never left the UK top spot month on month year on year & used to sell in huge numbers.

The Mondeo needs to be downsized so its more in tune with the European market & our fuel price like the Cortina was. If Ford brought us a RWD Lincoln diesel that averages over 70 MPG like a BMW 3 series diesel it would take over from where the Cortina left off sales wise as Brits are the biggest buyers of American GM (Vauxhall) & Ford in Europe we love them & prefer them to German BMW's, but we no longer get a RWD option choice from Ford. Our Cortina should have progressed to something like the classy shaped Mercedes 190, then Ford still would have been selling huge amounts of cars and still had 32% market share in the UK today rather than giving up them market with ultra dull jellymoulded Sierra's & huge big beastie mainly all diesel FWD Mondeo's that could do better here if it was downsized to a more Cortina type sized car.

 

If the Mondeo ever makes it to the No1 sale spot in the UK & Europe like the Cortina was all its life then l will be its biggest fan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NickF1011]

but our good ole Cortina never left the UK top spot month on month year on year & used to sell in huge numbers.

 

...and at one point Neanderthals ruled Europe.

 

Times change as competition increases and consumer tastes change. Get it through your skull. Was the Cortina a B-car? A C-car? No? Then even if it still existed in all its RWD glory, it wouldn't be a best-seller anymore. Period.

Edited October 6, 2010 by NickF1011

[Ford Jellymoulds]

...and at one point Neanderthals ruled Europe.

 

Times change as competition increases and consumer tastes change. Get it through your skull. Was the Cortina a B-car? A C-car? No? Then even if it still existed in all its RWD glory, it wouldn't be a best-seller anymore. Period.

 

Nothing changed, Ford the market leader had the No1 best seller Cortina the UK & Cortina/Taunus was No1 was best seller in Europe, It was "FORD" who lead the market who decided to change things with 32% market share that dictated to the British buyer what they should want, but a pig ugly dull band jellymould very boring Ford Sierra, followed by a shitty Mondeo FWD shitbox that to big for the market place it sells into LOST HUGE market share every month in the UK.

 

UK new car sales were down 8.9% on average in September, Ford UK's sales were down by more -14.9%. Ford market share here continues to slowly rot away here month on month sliding from 14.83% in September 2009 to Septembers 13.84%. You might not notice the decline Nick but l do, when Ford UK goes from selling up to 55,000 Cortina's in a good month in the late 70's to just 46,000 vehicles ALL MODELS combined Ka to a big Galaxy you know Ford UK are not as good as they once used to be.

 

Its Ford UK who are no longer making vehicles the buyer here wants.

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds

[NickF1011]

Nothing changed, :blah: :blah:

 

Except that all of Europe is now buying small cars, not midsizers like the Cortina.

 

Its Ford UK who are no longer making vehicles the buyer here wants.

 

So why is Ford still the #1 selling brand in the UK?

 

 

AND GET A SMALLER SIGNATURE PICTURE!!

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Except that all of Europe is now buying small cars, not midsizers like the Cortina.

 

 

 

So why is Ford still the #1 selling brand in the UK?

 

Ford being No1 in the 70's with over 55,000 Cortina sales from 1 car in a good month with 32% market share is good.

 

Ford being No1 in September 2010 with Ka, Fiesta, Fusion, Focus, Mondeo, C-Max, SMax, Kuga, Galaxy, Connect, Ranger & Transit totalled up together 46,000, with 13% market share not so good.

 

Ford have got GM snapping at their heels just a 44,000 sales adrift they were lucky to sell over about 15,000 into 70's, all the other manufactures sales were piss poor in the 70's most have jumped four-fold.

[NickF1011]

Ford being No1 in September 2010 with Ka, Fiesta, Fusion, Focus, Mondeo, C-Max, SMax, Kuga, Galaxy, Connect, Ranger & Transit totalled up together 46,000, with 13% market share not so good.

 

Which brand is selling more than that in the UK right now? Okay then.

 

 

SIGNATURE IMAGE!!!!