Machine Repair jobs at Lep for Active employees

[MachineRepair88]

AT LEP this week people from other trades were appointed Machine Repair Jobs!

 

Why was the Machine Repair jobs not posted in all the plants?

 

Are we going to combine all the trades seniority at LEP and at all of Ford ?

 

I guess what we really did was take a production person and appoint them a trades job .

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

Congratulations Mr. Weaver on your latest accomplishments. Not only have you succeeded at getting everybody back to work at LEP but you have done great thing .You have turned millwrights and welders into Machine Repair. You have turned a Millwright into a toolmaker and a Tin knocker into a pipefitter . How could this be? I thought if we needed more Machine Repair we had to post jobs in all the plants. Even when we have hired from inside the plant for Machine Repair they had to go up north and test first. I think you were right when you said all your gray matter was somewhere along I-75. I think you know at this point that you have no chance for reelection and at this point you are trying to find a few friends out there to comfort you. oh and I have to ask what Trade are you going to assume when you are not reelected. Did they promise you a Machine Repair job to or are you going to be an Electrician .

 

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

If so where is our national contract?

[beatdown]

Hey crybaby. Would you like to play a game?

[Armstrong]

AT LEP this week people from other trades were appointed Machine Repair Jobs!

 

Why was the Machine Repair jobs not posted in all the plants?

 

Are we going to combine all the trades seniority at LEP and at all of Ford ?

 

I guess what we really did was take a production person and appoint them a trades job .

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

Congratulations Mr. Weaver on your latest accomplishments. Not only have you succeeded at getting everybody back to work at LEP but you have done great thing .You have turned millwrights and welders into Machine Repair. You have turned a Millwright into a toolmaker and a Tin knocker into a pipefitter . How could this be? I thought if we needed more Machine Repair we had to post jobs in all the plants. Even when we have hired from inside the plant for Machine Repair they had to go up north and test first. I think you were right when you said all your gray matter was somewhere along I-75. I think you know at this point that you have no chance for reelection and at this point you are trying to find a few friends out there to comfort you. oh and I have to ask what Trade are you going to assume when you are not reelected. Did they promise you a Machine Repair job to or are you going to be an Electrician .

 

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

If so where is our national contract?

 

 

The Machine Repair trade was a trade "not to be repopulated".

 

They are just following the contract and not adding any more machine repair to the plants. Wasnt machine repair work supposed to go to the main trades.

[atalldaisy]

AT LEP this week people from other trades were appointed Machine Repair Jobs!

 

Why was the Machine Repair jobs not posted in all the plants?

 

Are we going to combine all the trades seniority at LEP and at all of Ford ?

 

I guess what we really did was take a production person and appoint them a trades job .

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

Congratulations Mr. Weaver on your latest accomplishments. Not only have you succeeded at getting everybody back to work at LEP but you have done great thing .You have turned millwrights and welders into Machine Repair. You have turned a Millwright into a toolmaker and a Tin knocker into a pipefitter . How could this be? I thought if we needed more Machine Repair we had to post jobs in all the plants. Even when we have hired from inside the plant for Machine Repair they had to go up north and test first. I think you were right when you said all your gray matter was somewhere along I-75. I think you know at this point that you have no chance for reelection and at this point you are trying to find a few friends out there to comfort you. oh and I have to ask what Trade are you going to assume when you are not reelected. Did they promise you a Machine Repair job to or are you going to be an Electrician .

 

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

If so where is our national contract?

Hey 88, doesn't sound to me like they took any production people and appointed them trades jobs! Looks to me like they left us out again. Just like the new safety man, what that all about? Will the production people that are on a list to become apprentices, ever get a chance or will they just keep moving tradesmen around until nobody knows what trade they really are? Hey thats it! Thats the plan! " If we shuffle them around enough they will all be one big happy maintenance work group! and they will forget what trade they are" But, still, what about production people? Did everyone get to interview for the safety job that put their name in the hat some time ago?

[jumpercable]

AT LEP this week people from other trades were appointed Machine Repair Jobs!

 

Why was the Machine Repair jobs not posted in all the plants?

 

Are we going to combine all the trades seniority at LEP and at all of Ford ?

 

I guess what we really did was take a production person and appoint them a trades job .

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

Congratulations Mr. Weaver on your latest accomplishments. Not only have you succeeded at getting everybody back to work at LEP but you have done great thing .You have turned millwrights and welders into Machine Repair. You have turned a Millwright into a toolmaker and a Tin knocker into a pipefitter . How could this be? I thought if we needed more Machine Repair we had to post jobs in all the plants. Even when we have hired from inside the plant for Machine Repair they had to go up north and test first. I think you were right when you said all your gray matter was somewhere along I-75. I think you know at this point that you have no chance for reelection and at this point you are trying to find a few friends out there to comfort you. oh and I have to ask what Trade are you going to assume when you are not reelected. Did they promise you a Machine Repair job to or are you going to be an Electrician .

 

 

Is this the direction of the national UAW.

 

 

If so where is our national contract?

 

 

What do you want your union leaders to do put them back out on the street?? Is that the Union way keep due paying members out of work. Dont you realize what the auto industry just went through. I bet your just mad because you cant get any overtime now. Maybe you should just take one for your fellow union members and do what you can to help them with the transition instead of pointing your finger at everyone. Think about it you could be the one laid off to the street with your unemployment running out.

[Baron Von Munchenhausen]

The Machine Repair trade was a trade "not to be repopulated".

 

They are just following the contract and not adding any more machine repair to the plants. Wasnt machine repair work supposed to go to the main trades.

 

Are you serious? Machine Repair is a core trade. Get a pf or mw to rebuild a spindle or scrape in a slide and we'll see how long that lasts. The company needs to provide some type of upskill training for these other trades if they wish to combine them. And yes I would rather have the other trades out on layoff, than water down the machine repair trade if the company won't upskill. The local, region and national should be involved in any type of consolidation because it sets precedent for all plants.

[2dogs]

I'm baaack. I hope you all see what's going on here. You better pay attention because the best is yet to come.

[leftski]

Hey 88, doesn't sound to me like they took any production people and appointed them trades jobs! Looks to me like they left us out again. Just like the new safety man, what that all about? Will the production people that are on a list to become apprentices, ever get a chance or will they just keep moving tradesmen around until nobody knows what trade they really are? Hey thats it! Thats the plan! " If we shuffle them around enough they will all be one big happy maintenance work group! and they will forget what trade they are" But, still, what about production people? Did everyone get to interview for the safety job that put their name in the hat some time ago?

 

What about all of the laid off Machine Repair that are either out on the street or working a production job in the Ford system. Why haven't they been offered a chance at getting back to their tools before you add new people to the trade. Don't say that there are none available because I know of at least twelve alone in southeastern Michigan that might like that opportunity.

[Armstrong]

The Machine Repair trade was a trade "not to be repopulated".

 

They are just following the contract and not adding any more machine repair to the plants. Wasnt machine repair work supposed to go to the main trades.

 

Are you serious? Machine Repair is a core trade. Get a pf or mw to rebuild a spindle or scrape in a slide and we'll see how long that lasts. The company needs to provide some type of upskill training for these other trades if they wish to combine them. And yes I would rather have the other trades out on layoff, than water down the machine repair trade if the company won't upskill. The local, region and national should be involved in any type of consolidation because it sets precedent for all plants.

 

I remember during contract discussions the repair trade will not be repopulated. Arent the core trades aligned with the trade unions? Electrical Brotherhood, Union of Carpenter and Millrights and Plumbers and Sprikler Brothers. I never heard of a Machine Repair trades union. I thought it was not to be repopulated to consolidate like the outside locals operate

[FiredMotorCompany]

I remember during contract discussions the repair trade will not be repopulated. Arent the core trades aligned with the trade unions? Electrical Brotherhood, Union of Carpenter and Millrights and Plumbers and Sprikler Brothers. I never heard of a Machine Repair trades union. I thought it was not to be repopulated to consolidate like the outside locals operate

 

 

Au contraire mon fraire.

 

APPENDIX F

 

CLASSIFICATIONS

 

Below are listed Appendix F Classifications (excluding leaders,

coordinators, upgraders, utility and apprentices) utilized at

some Ford locations with UAW-represented hourly employees.

The parties agree that under no circumstance will a new

skilled trade classification, including any variation or

combination of an existing classification (i.e., Power

Electrician, Tool & Die Welder, etc.), be established

without expressed written consent of the National Joint

Skilled Trades Governance Team, Labor Affiars, and the

UAW National Ford Department.

 

Classifications

 

Automation Equipment Maker & Maintenance*

Carpenter-All Around

Communication System Installation & Maintenance *

Construct & Test Prototype Matl. Handling Devices *

Conveyor Structural Sketcher *

Core Maker and Molder - Jobbing and Experimental *

Crane Operator - NW Boom Type *

Cutter Grinder *

Cutter Grinder-New *

Diesel Mechanic & General Repair *

Electrician

Experimental Parts & Body Painter (to be used only at

VOGO Pilot Plant)

Gear Trouble *

Industrial Truck Mechanic

Inspector-Tooling & Layout

Inspector Gauge #1 *

Machine Repair

Machining Specialist (to be used only at Dearborn Tool

& Die Plant and R&E Center)

Machinist *

_____________

* Will not repopulate (classifications will be eliminated when vacated)

 

In the event a classification has been stricken and an employee needs to

return to this classification (i.e., return from medical, etc.) local parties

will review the circumstances with the National Joint Skilled Trades

Governance Team, who will make a final determination.

 

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[nvsked]

QUIT EXPRESSING OPINION AND READ THE CONTRACT............

 

SKILLED CLASSIFICATION CONSOLIDATION PLACEMENT PROCESS

The parties agree that in the event issues arise that the local parties are unable to resolve, the issue may be appealed by either party to the National Joint Skilled Trades Governance Team through the National Ford Department Servicing Representative or Division Labor Relations. Lastly, overtime equalization agreements should be the subject of local discussions.

Very truly yours,

BILL DIRKSEN,

Executive Director

U.S. Labor Affairs Concur: Bob King

 

November 3, 2007

Mr. Bob King

Vice President and Director UAW, National Ford Department 8000 East Jefferson Avenue Detroit, Michigan 48214 SKILLED TRADES CLASSIFICATION CONSOLIDATION

Dear Mr. King:

Subject: Skilled Trades Classification Consolidation During the 2007 negotiations, the parties agreed to substantially reduce the number of skilled trades classifications in order to establish a classification structure closer to automotive industry competitive levels. Implementation of the skilled trades classification consolidation encompasses the following:

Machine Repair (all the classifications below are consolidated into M/R classification)

 

Hydraulic & Machine Repair (Lima)

Machine Repair

Machine Repair - Project Coordinator

Machine Repair - Woodhaven

Machine Repair Appr

Machine Repair Ldr

Machine Repair Leader

Machine Repair Woodhaven-Team Leader

Machine Repair-Wayne ISA - Mech Umb

Machine Repair-Wayne ISA - Mech Umb - Project

Coordinator

Machine Repair Specialist

Machine Repair Specialist Leader

Team Member Mechanical

Team Member Mechanical Apprentice

Wayne ISA Machine Repair Mech Umbrella

Team Leader

 

Any variation from what was negotiated is wrong and subject to grievance procedure

[FiredMotorCompany]

QUIT EXPRESSING OPINION AND READ THE CONTRACT............

 

 

 

Thank you for a citation that is more apropos.

Edited December 4, 2010 by FiredMotorCompany

[Armstrong]

Au contraire mon fraire.

 

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Thanks for the actual language. Where is the like to get the 2007 agreement on line? Can you post it here for us?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Thanks for the actual language. Where is the like to get the 2007 agreement on line? Can you post it here for us?

 

Look at Fordfanaticsforum

[nvsked]

Thanks for the actual language. Where is the like to get the 2007 agreement on line? Can you post it here for us?

 

Union reps can provide electronic copies of the agreement....or ford fanatics forum or soldiers of solidarity FFF & SOS has copies of white pages and again you might want to try local representation.....it is their job

[Armstrong]

Union reps can provide electronic copies of the agreement....or ford fanatics forum or soldiers of solidarity FFF & SOS has copies of white pages and again you might want to try local representation.....it is their job

 

Thanks for the info.......

[TBodette68]

Thanks for the info.......

now get back to work and stfu.

[Armstrong]

now get back to work and stfu.

 

Library is closed. Go back to your trailer.

[nvsked]

Thanks for the info.......

 

Too Funny.....Just a side note, the company went to great lengths to reduce non core trades.......core trades were identified as electrician, pipefitter, M/W, M/R, welder, etc 23 core trades from like 300...I mean they red circled Blacksmith.....damn it.....anyway they reduced classifications. So then they come back with labor clearances stating they are bringing in outside contractors, and on the clearance they've identified people they are bring in like 4 programmers, or ironworkers, or operator........... Now they got rid of these all non core trades, but they want to bring in vendors under the heading of the non core trades they got rid of....... And! to justify it they say well Ford doesn't have this trade!!! Yeah BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY WERE NOT RELEVANT TO AUTOMOTIVE OPERATIONS AND GOT RID OF THEM......NOW YOU WANT TO BRING IN CONTRACTORS TO REPLACE JOBS THAT WERE PREFORMED BY Bargaining unit employee's.......... a hello......Grievance just my 2 cents

[Armstrong]

Too Funny.....Just a side note, the company went to great lengths to reduce non core trades.......core trades were identified as electrician, pipefitter, M/W, M/R, welder, etc 23 core trades from like 300...I mean they red circled Blacksmith.....damn it.....anyway they reduced classifications. So then they come back with labor clearances stating they are bringing in outside contractors, and on the clearance they've identified people they are bring in like 4 programmers, or ironworkers, or operator........... Now they got rid of these all non core trades, but they want to bring in vendors under the heading of the non core trades they got rid of....... And! to justify it they say well Ford doesn't have this trade!!! Yeah BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY WERE NOT RELEVANT TO AUTOMOTIVE OPERATIONS AND GOT RID OF THEM......NOW YOU WANT TO BRING IN CONTRACTORS TO REPLACE JOBS THAT WERE PREFORMED BY Bargaining unit employee's.......... a hello......Grievance just my 2 cents

 

I just said thank you for directing me where to get the CBA on line. Thank you again.... I guess

[FiredMotorCompany]

Union reps can provide electronic copies of the agreement....or ford fanatics forum or soldiers of solidarity FFF & SOS has copies of white pages and again you might want to try local representation.....it is their job

 

I though it was a closely guarded secret that .pdf versions were available.

 

I've always held the printed copies should be supplemented by an electronic searchable version. Virtually zero expense to supply and vastly easier to find the citation needed.

 

SOS and FFF would seem to be the champions of the membership in making them available when the IUAW has NEVER made them available overtly.

 

All this secrecy from the members. Outrageous. The media and the competition absolutely have access to this information. Why does our union make it so hard to get?

[MachineRepair88]

Update:the local union has assured me that there (Millwrights,Welders,and Pipe fitters)seniority will start out at day one and they will not have seniority over any machine repair or pipe fitter in plant .

 

They are have said that they are going to train them......sure sounds alot like a program we use to use .. apprentice program... oh thats right the lawyers killed that one.

 

Is this still right?

 

No. the bottom line is the contract was not followed .

 

They can justify any way they want, they are still wrong.

 

No the end does not justify the means.

 

I know the next step is seniority.

 

They will not stop until there is two trades.

 

Your no different than the last bunch we elected in.

 

Just cutting different deals for different people.

 

Now you tell us that if we don't reelect you ,Lima stands no chance for new work next contract.

 

Guess what we heard that one before.

 

Is the Laid off Machine Repairmen out there getting this?

 

Are you contacting your national union?

 

Do they just don't care?

 

They are feeding you bull?

 

 

 

Goodnight....................................

[Armstrong]

Update:the local union has assured me that there (Millwrights,Welders,and Pipe fitters)seniority will start out at day one and they will not have seniority over any machine repair or pipe fitter in plant .

 

They are have said that they are going to train them......sure sounds alot like a program we use to use .. apprentice program... oh thats right the lawyers killed that one.

 

Is this still right?

 

No. the bottom line is the contract was not followed .

 

They can justify any way they want, they are still wrong.

 

No the end does not justify the means.

 

I know the next step is seniority.

 

They will not stop until there is two trades.

 

Your no different than the last bunch we elected in.

 

Just cutting different deals for different people.

 

Now you tell us that if we don't reelect you ,Lima stands no chance for new work next contract.

 

Guess what we heard that one before.

 

Is the Laid off Machine Repairmen out there getting this?

 

Are you contacting your national union?

 

Do they just don't care?

 

They are feeding you bull?

 

 

 

Goodnight....................................

 

 

You better call the National UAW. There is no one here to help you with your problem. This forum is just a tool to discuss issues among employees.

 

The trades consolidation in the 2007 agreement has a skilled trades committee to address these issues.

 

When you say a day 1 seniority, they will train them, avoiding the apprentices this whole thing smells of dung

 

Call the national committee on skilled trades.

[2dogs]

Get over it. Everyone has known this was going to happen since they did it at GM and Chrysler. Honda and Toyota already do it. If your so super concerned why don't you take all those skills you have and get a job somewhere else. That will show them. Believe me Ford won't miss a beat they will keep right on making cars and trucks with or without you. I think you should just jump on the bandwagon or off the roof your choice.

[Armstrong]

Update:the local union has assured me that there (Millwrights,Welders,and Pipe fitters)seniority will start out at day one and they will not have seniority over any machine repair or pipe fitter in plant .

 

They are have said that they are going to train them......sure sounds alot like a program we use to use .. apprentice program... oh thats right the lawyers killed that one.

 

Is this still right?

 

No. the bottom line is the contract was not followed .

 

They can justify any way they want, they are still wrong.

 

No the end does not justify the means.

 

I know the next step is seniority.

 

They will not stop until there is two trades.

 

Your no different than the last bunch we elected in.

 

Just cutting different deals for different people.

 

Now you tell us that if we don't reelect you ,Lima stands no chance for new work next contract.

 

Guess what we heard that one before.

 

Is the Laid off Machine Repairmen out there getting this?

 

Are you contacting your national union?

 

Do they just don't care?

 

They are feeding you bull?

 

 

 

Goodnight....................................

 

I spoke with our Skilled Trades Rep and he stated that the crap going on in Lima is against the contract. He said that there is a governance committee nationally that must approve these types of changes in skilled classifications. He said you should probably call the UAW headquarters and give them names of the re-classified trades.