4Real? Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I see a few dumb ass fuck clowns just saying "Duh, I am voting no." Fucktards. There are many good reasons to vote yes, but I even gave you fuckheads a no vote. So, show us what you are made of!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Take your n00b ass down to Settles office and tell him he shit the bed. We know he could have gotten better but choose not to. And if he thinks this is honestly the best deal he could have gotten then he is not the man for the job. I'm still a no vote now and forever on this no matter how many sprinkles you or any other union slappys put on this turd. Obviously you are not from AAI, OHAP or the many other facilities that are benefiting from these investments in our job security Obviously you are in a plant that more than likely has products, huge investments over the past 5 years and you are running 3 shifts. Pretty close huh?? You are no brother of mine in your selfish ways Vote yes for the many of us in need 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Yes there are winners and losers but the overall investment is a win for all Ford Hourly employees.Ford invests in US plants then there are more options for workers.Everybody gets one vote and its your personal decision but look at it this way,if all this investment comes through the groundwork is set.Industry sales pick up and we got some more leverage for next time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Yes there are winners and losers but the overall investment is a win for all Ford Hourly employees.Ford invests in US plants then there are more options for workers.Everybody gets one vote and its your personal decision but look at it this way,if all this investment comes through the groundwork is set.Industry sales pick up and we got some more leverage for next time. +1 I have to be honest,,,, I have not felt this secure as an autoworker since the 90s. This is a great investment in our jobs and future for decades to come 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAP89 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I see a few dumb ass fuck clowns just saying "Duh, I am voting no." Fucktards. There are many good reasons to vote yes, but I even gave you fuckheads a no vote. So, show us what you are made of!!! You have such well thought out arguments. I know your superior intellect will convince many people to change their vote. Also, any non employees are sure to be impressed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO_Driver Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Yes there are winners and losers but the overall investment is a win for all Ford Hourly employees.Ford invests in US plants then there are more options for workers.Everybody gets one vote and its your personal decision but look at it this way,if all this investment comes through the groundwork is set.Industry sales pick up and we got some more leverage for next time. Good point and well said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO_Driver Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 You have such well thought out arguments. I know your superior intellect will convince many people to change their vote. Also, any non employees are sure to be impressed. There's another word for "non employees". It's called "customers". They buy cars and trucks and they got plenty of non-union assembled choices to pick from, so think carefully about what kind of impression you want to make on those "non employees". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe898 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 4 real is a ASSWIPE this deal sucks and we all will find out if it gets approved im not a sheep and i dont need to get herded into a yes vote on a shitty get nothing deal im voting NO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxinsox Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Oh imagine that, another TROLL thread on BON... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXWHSP Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 THIS DEAL SUCKS TO CLOSE OR PLANT IS NO DEAL (WHALTON HILLS STAMPING) NO NO NO NO ! BOB KING YOU NEED TO DO YOUR JOB NOT STAB YOUR OWN BROTHERS IN THE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Obviously you are not from AAI, OHAP or the many other facilities that are benefiting from these investments in our job security Obviously you are in a plant that more than likely has products, huge investments over the past 5 years and you are running 3 shifts. Pretty close huh?? You are no brother of mine in your selfish ways Vote yes for the many of us in need Totally agree. Job security is huge in this agreement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I see a few dumb ass fuck clowns just saying "Duh, I am voting no." Fucktards. There are many good reasons to vote yes, but I even gave you fuckheads a no vote. So, show us what you are made of!!! Paid IUAW shill. Go spam some other message board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oap2ktpvet Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Better vote yes or 4real will call you names!!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO_Driver Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Strange you haven't felt this secure since Ford was hiring employees at 70 percent of full wage and allowing all of them to reach full wage, while we were getting raises, but now your secure with less than that. Diminishing expectations is not a sign of optimism to me, brother. Considering that we HAVE to remain competitive with the transplants (and GM and Chrysler, since they, too have lower labor costs than we do), and the same said transplants said publicly two years ago that they were NOT going to even try to pay competitive with Detroit Three/UAW wages, how the fuck do you think the contract could have been better? Tell me that!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Considering that we HAVE to remain competitive with the transplants (and GM and Chrysler, since they, too have lower labor costs than we do), and the same said transplants said publicly two years ago that they were NOT going to even try to pay competitive with Detroit Three/UAW wages, how the fuck do you think the contract could have been better? Tell me that!! They can't tell you because they have no idea what they want. If it was negotiated that Entry Level went to Traditional wages, plants would close and jobs would be lost. Hands down. When Kia is paying $10-14 an hour without benefits, Nissan is paying $13 at its Smyrna plant and the other transplants paying less, it would be hard for all our plants to survive. Based on the latest information, Entry Level does get increased wages and benefits, so that is a start in the right direction that can be built on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former MTP'er Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It's better than what GM got, but only marginally so. It's going to pass, so aside from whatever personal gratification people get from posting opinions I don't see the point off the "hell no" crap. The union ain't what it once was; I suppose we should be thankful we got anything to spare from the IUAW's latest effort to line their own pockets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 New investment is always a good thing, HOWEVER...I can't put my trust in the IUAW or in Ford to live up to this commitment, as they have not done so in the past. There are still 7000 jobs that were previously promised that diod not happen during the life of last contract...I hold no expectations for the new 5700 to be filled during the life of THIS piece of shit. Besides, anyone stupid enough to think thast these "investment" desicions were made in the last 2 months...needs a huge wakeup call. Ford does not do anything in that short of time period. With all the multiple levels of manegement that has to be gone thru, it takes MONTHS to get a decision on anything. As for being competitive with our rivals...YES I agree we need to be...BUT...Mr. "I'm good right where I am at" Mulloly wants that for you and I, but definatly NOT for himself. Our competitors don't pay CEO's multi millions of dollars. Toyuota, Honda and others have CEO's that make under 1 million per year...You want parity? It has to be for EVERYONE and not just the lowest of the pile. This proposal, has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Far too many questions to be addressed for many of us to make a good viable decision on how to vote. As always, the devil is in the details. I recommend to everyone that they READ the entire 500+ pages so you really know whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragster Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It's better than what GM got, but only marginally so. It's going to pass, so aside from whatever personal gratification people get from posting opinions I don't see the point off the "hell no" crap. The union ain't what it once was; I suppose we should be thankful we got anything to spare from the IUAW's latest effort to line their own pockets. It is better than GM. Love your tag--Dearborn Fuck Plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former MTP'er Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It is better than GM. Love your tag--Dearborn Fuck Plant. There are other, more colorful ways of describing the place, but DFP works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Man Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yes there are winners and losers but the overall investment is a win for all Ford Hourly employees.Ford invests in US plants then there are more options for workers.Everybody gets one vote and its your personal decision but look at it this way,if all this investment comes through the groundwork is set.Industry sales pick up and we got some more leverage for next time. From what I've seen, you are right on. Laying groundwork is important if we want to get more power for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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