228electrician Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 What you have to remember is, when they voted no at american axle, they ended up taking the contract and the pay cut to keep the plants here, than it was only a year or two later, the company moved the plant anyways, even thou they got what they wanted. A plant in kentucky is re opening with 100% second tier workers. Rawsonville and Sterling non skilled workers have to leave their plant within 12 months and go else where to be replace by second tier workers, or take a buy down and become second tier to stay. Look at the ACH plant changes. All plants left over will have at least 20% second tier by the next contract, that means next contract, there is a good chance the second tier will have 51% of the voting right, and next contract they can vote all non-skilled workers pay to $22 an hour, and it will go thru since all it takes is majority of the vote to pass a contract. Get you vasoline ready, in four years you will be second tier. with 51% of the vote getting raises, it will pass. Get ready, its the way of the future. I am, the 99% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 What you have to remember is, when they voted no at american axle, they ended up taking the contract and the pay cut to keep the plants here, than it was only a year or two later, the company moved the plant anyways, even thou they got what they wanted. American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico. Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return. We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada. The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us Vote yes for our futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico. Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return. We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada. The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us Vote yes for our futures A no vote will turn things ugly real quick and it wont be in our best interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrimTim Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico. Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return. We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada. The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us Vote yes for our futures I am voting YES for all of our futures. Even those no voters who want to condemn us to a strike or lockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 A no vote will turn things ugly real quick and it wont be in our best interest I am equally worried about a lock out and a strike. Two situations that could have devastating negative results. Recent strikes and lock outs have not been favorable to workers and their respective unions. Now is not the time for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badfinger Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 What you have to remember is, when they voted no at american axle, they ended up taking the contract and the pay cut to keep the plants here, than it was only a year or two later, the company moved the plant anyways, even thou they got what they wanted. A plant in kentucky is re opening with 100% second tier workers. Rawsonville and Sterling non skilled workers have to leave their plant within 12 months and go else where to be replace by second tier workers, or take a buy down and become second tier to stay. Look at the ACH plant changes. All plants left over will have at least 20% second tier by the next contract, that means next contract, there is a good chance the second tier will have 51% of the voting right, and next contract they can vote all non-skilled workers pay to $22 an hour, and it will go thru since all it takes is majority of the vote to pass a contract. Get you vasoline ready, in four years you will be second tier. with 51% of the vote getting raises, it will pass. Get ready, its the way of the future. I am, the 99% Per the contract second tier workers can never constitute more that 20% of the membership. When the number goes above 20% a second tier worker is advanced to first tier by seniority. The situation you just described cannot occur. The entire agreement is available at UAW.org in a pdf format. Read it. This is the first time I can remember that the International Union has been this transparent with the agreement. Take advantage of it and educate yourselves. There are alot of misconceptions and misinformation on this board. On facebook look for the UAW Ford Department page. Actual vote counts and other info can be found there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico. Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return. We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada. The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us Vote yes for our futures The yes votes are starting to secure our future but still too close to call. The no votes will put us into a uncontrollable slide that will benefit Ford of Canada and Mexico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilled1 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 American Axle is a good example of what could happen when things spiral out of control, similar to what is happening now in Ford. Once this happens the company has full control of our futures. A no vote puts us in a bad bargaining position. A simple lockout for a month or two will bust our weakest into agreeing to less than what we are voting on now We are seeing that this agreement is a positive for all 42,000 of us. Although a lockout or strike is a good possibility, common sense prevails and a yes vote is the only clear choice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 We are seeing that this agreement is a positive for all 42,000 of us. Although a lockout or strike is a good possibility, common sense prevails and a yes vote is the only clear choice Let us help sanity wins and people vote yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplegend900 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 If we dont vote no we will all be making 19 dollars an hour after the 2 tier outnumber us. Quit giving in to the company and grow some balls. A NO vote here! General Custer took a stand once and made some bad decisions. He was told this was not the time to strike. He decided to take a stand. He was also told if you are going to go take Gatling guns, he did not do that either. Lets learn from the General and make the right decisions, it just not the right time to strike. We know how well it worked out for the General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poop Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 General Custer took a stand once and made some bad decisions. He was told this was not the time to strike. He decided to take a stand. He was also told if you are going to go take Gatling guns, he did not do that either. Lets learn from the General and make the right decisions, it just not the right time to strike. We know how well it worked out for the General. Take away point for me: I am saving up my profit sharing checks over the next 4 years to buy a gatling gun. Next contract, I'll be PREPARED to strike!!! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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