BORG Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 What happen to the competition forum? Anyway, I wanted to show this off, Chrysler deserves some significant praise here. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/10/watch-a-demo-of-dodge-darts-all-digital-gauge-display/#continued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Non-Ford Product Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDuff Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Flower pedals grow to show how good your fuel economy is. This sounds so familiar. I know I've seen this before. :rolleyes: Way to be innovative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubztx1 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Im kinda disappointed in this IP. When they said customizable, I thought you would be able to choose the font, color, layout, etc. From the demo at least, it looks like you can only change what items are displayed or go through different menus. Being able to switch the speedo to several different styles would be cool too. Like you could have the mustang gauges with the retro font on it, and then switch it something more stylish, or instead of the analog style, maybe go old school and be able to pick and electronic speedo like on the probe, or even more old school like the 70's speedometers that went horizontal. Its a useless function, but still seems like it could be a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) What happen to the competition forum? Anyway, I wanted to show this off, Chrysler deserves some significant praise here. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/10/watch-a-demo-of-dodge-darts-all-digital-gauge-display/#continued Hey...I saw something similar in a new Lincoln concept... Flower pedals grow to show how good your fuel economy is. Just that idea alone gets a :rolleyes: with a side of and a dash of Edited January 11, 2012 by Boss444 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Hey...I saw something similar in a new Lincoln concept... Just that idea alone gets a :rolleyes: with a side of and a dash of My point here is that Chrysler is offering cabin tech that upstages most luxury cars, let alone the Focus it's competing with. And don't forget CUE in Caddy, Ford's MFT system has quickly been answered and they are still trying to work the bugs out on a system that's now obsolete. I'm fairly disappointed that Fusion did not debut a new MFT. I was hoping MKZ would do something new, maybe the production car will have a unique IP. Edited January 11, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Running the speedo via software. Yeah. That sounds like a *great* idea. I think there's a reason why Ford has an analog speedo on its MFT equipped systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Running the speedo via software. Yeah. That sounds like a *great* idea. I think there's a reason why Ford has an analog speedo on its MFT equipped systems. I like the Ford UI and the dual displays and d-pads, nice division of information. But I'd like to see larger displays on both the center stack and in the IP. In Lincoln's case, I think it's valuable to have distinguishing feature like a full LCD IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Running the speedo via software. Yeah. That sounds like a *great* idea. I think there's a reason why Ford has an analog speedo on its MFT equipped systems. The Speedo's in most modern cars for the last 10 years have been run by software and are digital. Just because it looks analog doesn't mean it actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The Speedo's in most modern cars for the last 10 years have been run by software and are digital. Just because it looks analog doesn't mean it actually is. Yep...was gonna same the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Running the speedo via software. Yeah. That sounds like a *great* idea. I think there's a reason why Ford has an analog speedo on its MFT equipped systems. Even analog speedometers are run through software (speedo cables going to the gauge are long gone). The speed sensors goes through a bus, to a computer (running software which also reads it for the ABS system and most likely for hundreds of other functions) and then to the mechanicals. Both systems work the same, it's the display function that is different. One is via a screen, the other through a mechanical device. I mean it's not like problems can't happen. This poor guy lost his analog speedo after an ABS malfunction. Edited January 11, 2012 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 There's a big difference between a mechanical speedometer that receives input from either the PCM or a processed signal direct from the transmission and this thing. This is a graphic representation of a speedometer, which runs as an application on the presentation layer which is itself running on top of the OS kernel. You are dealing with a far more complex and far more fragile system. In fact, by installing the speedometer in the app layer of this OS, you run the risk of making it insecure as well as fragile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Both systems work the same No they do not. See above. A speedo app. running on the presentation layer, on top of the kernel is far different from a low-level PCM operated mechanical device. -- Or, put this way: Would you consider running ABS as an application on this OS to be 'the same' as running it directly off the PCM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 No they do not. See above. A speedo app. running on the presentation layer, on top of the kernel is far different from a low-level PCM operated mechanical device. -- Or, put this way: Would you consider running ABS as an application on this OS to be 'the same' as running it directly off the PCM? I don't know how either run. But, I'll give you this one since you obviously have a much better understanding of the intricacies then I do when it comes to application development. But, just wait until we bring up paradiddles or Swiss Army triplets. You're toast! Haha! (However, PREMiERdrum is not allowed in this conversation unless he's on my side) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudz64 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 My point here is that Chrysler is offering cabin tech that upstages most luxury cars, let alone the Focus it's competing with. And don't forget CUE in Caddy, Ford's MFT system has quickly been answered and they are still trying to work the bugs out on a system that's now obsolete. I'm fairly disappointed that Fusion did not debut a new MFT. I was hoping MKZ would do something new, maybe the production car will have a unique IP. The MKZ concept does have a unique IP cluster, complete with a 10.1 " LCD thin film panel! I welcome this new Lincoln-only feature and expect it to be on the production MKZ as well. I never liked My Lincoln Touch being the same as the MFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 But, just wait until we bring up paradiddles or Swiss Army triplets. You're toast! Haha! (However, PREMiERdrum is not allowed in this conversation unless he's on my side) Oh? Oh?? Didja hear the one about the bar band that was late getting to the concert? They locked their keys in the van and it took an hour to get the drummer out. (been playing guitar since I was 5!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The MKZ concept does have a unique IP cluster, complete with a 10.1 " LCD thin film panel! I welcome this new Lincoln-only feature and expect it to be on the production MKZ as well. I never liked My Lincoln Touch being the same as the MFT. I wish they'd take this opportunity to rebrand MyLincoln Touch to something that isn't an obvious Ford product. But, just wait until we bring up paradiddles or Swiss Army triplets. You're toast! Haha! (However, PREMiERdrum is not allowed in this conversation unless he's on my side) I'm on nobody's side here, but I have been working in a whole lot of inside five's into songs they have no place in. I blame Joe Morello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) This is a graphic representation of a speedometer, which runs as an application on the presentation layer which is itself running on top of the OS kernel. You are dealing with a far more complex and far more fragile system. In fact, by installing the speedometer in the app layer of this OS, you run the risk of making it insecure as well as fragile. Do you know if Visteon's QNX based reconfigurable instrument cluster platform, as applied to the Range Rover since MY 2010, has held up well in the real world? The company just exhibited the latest iteration of that platform at this year's CES event. Seems to me that this approach would be more reliable than traditional, stepper motor controlled gauges. Edited January 12, 2012 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It's on a Land Rover. How well do you think it's held up? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Oh? Oh?? Didja hear the one about the bar band that was late getting to the concert? They locked their keys in the van and it took an hour to get the drummer out. (been playing guitar since I was 5!) Haha..Oh, I've heard 'em all. What do you call a guitarist without a girlfriend? Homeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Haha..Oh, I've heard 'em all. What do you call a guitarist without a girlfriend? Homeless. This is my favorite: How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb? 20. One to do it, and 19 to sit around and say, "yeah, I could've done that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It's on a Land Rover. How well do you think it's held up? :rolleyes: 2010 and 2011 MY Range Rover have high J.D. Power Circle ratings for attributes that directly mention "instrument panel". But the Circle ratings can sometimes be vague. Are you aware of information that point to the Visteon reconfigurable TFT instrument cluster being problematic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT-Keith Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Didn't really see anything innovative. It's like they're just catching up to similar technologies without having years worth of user data to make improvements. With a Silicon Valley R&D headquarters, F is still in a good position to lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Didn't really see anything innovative. It's like they're just catching up to similar technologies without having years worth of user data to make improvements. With a Silicon Valley R&D headquarters, F is still in a good position to lead. Chrysler's UConnect system has been around for a number of years and has been continuously improved to this point. It already does most of the stuff that you see in the Dart (with the exception of the instrument cluster...though the Pacifica did have something similar for the navigation). It's not like this is the first car they've put a system into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 This is my favorite: How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb? 20. One to do it, and 19 to sit around and say, "yeah, I could've done that." ...and say it with a Cockney accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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